FF prices

[Garcia]

Here you go:

COVERAGE

The coverage of the Power15 formula is restricted to the following components ONLY:

ENGINE:
Engine; engine body; lower crankcase shell; timing cover; cylinder head gaskets; engine shaft; piston; connecting rod; cylinders heads; Cylinders head covers; induction phase variator; intake camshafts; LH intake camshaft; induction valve control tappet; exhaust valve contr
ol tappet; exhaust phase variators; oil pump and timing control assembly; cylinders head phase sensors; (oil seals and oil leaks are excluded)

COOLING & INJECTION SYSTEM:
Fuel pumps; head side injectors; head side injectors pipes; fuel delivery pipe from Cpl. pump; front cylinders bank injector; high pressure fuel pump; injectors’ pipes; suction manifold central compensation; oil tank; complete water pump; complete oil/water pump; complete engine oil pump; head induction phase variator control electrovalves; head exhaust phase variator control electrovalves; water cooling radiator; Diagnostic pump; air flow meters; antievaporation valve; oil radiator; complete electro-fan; oil / water heat exchanger; complete electrofans set; throttle body; complete oil sump; secondary air system (secondary air pump and valves only); (oil seals and oil leaks are excluded)

EXHAUST AND EMISSIONS CONTROL SYSTEM:
Rh/Lh. secondary air valve; secondary air pump; complete rh/lh. Depression pipe; Lh. rear secondary air valve; secondary air valve rh pipe; secondary air valve LH. Pipe; secondary air electrovalve; front depression accumulation tank; rear depression accumulation tank; LH By-pass control electrovalve; rear on/off solenoid; on/off solenoid; LH. Thermocouple; LH. Front lambda feeler; LH. Rear lambda feeler; rh By-pass control electrovalve; exhaust electrovalve; front on/off solenoid; rh. Thermocouple; rh. Front lambda feeler; rh. Rear lambda feeler; lh./rh.turbocharger; (Oil seals and oil leaks are excluded)

ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS:
Programmed ignition control units; pumps feed control unit; f1 gearbox electronic control unit; e-diff control unit; dct gearbox control unit; 4wd control unit; abs/asr hydraulic assembly; ion control unit; a.c. control unit; rear calipers control unit; capote control unit; glass lift control station; glass lift complete mechanism; pilot side glass lift motor; rear glass lift; passenger side glass lift motor; Head side ignition coil; alternator; starter motor; body computer unit

GEARBOX & TRANSMISSION:
gearbox including all internal components; ECU; complete gearbox; gearbox-kit ; gearbox-kit e-diff; temperature sensor ccp; gear revolution. Sensor; transmission gearbox - OL17; differential box; complete differential; e-diff control valve; Cpl. ptu cable kit; Cpl. power unit kit with actuator; f1 gearbox oil tank; complete f1 gearbox actuator; f1 gearbox electronic control unit; f1 actuator potenziometers kit; complete power take off unit; complete power unit; (oil seals and oil leaks are excluded)

BRAKING SYSTEM:
Servobrake; brakes pedal; abs/asr hydraulic assembly; (oil seals and oil leaks are excluded;

STEERING AND SUSPENSIONS SYSTEM:
servocontrol driving box; hydrodrive pump; hydraulic steering control unit; rh/lh front upper suspension arm; rh/lh front lower suspension arm; rh/lh front suspension ball-joint tie-rod; rh/lh rear suspension upper arm; rh/lh rear suspension lower arm; rh/lh ball joint; steering wheel controls buttons; joint for rh/lh front upper lever; rh/lh. Front shock absorber inner ball joint; rh/lh rear convergency adjustment Tie rod; joint for LH. Rear lower lever; joint for rh. Front upper lever; joint for rh/lh front lower lever; (oil seals and oil leaks are excluded)

AIR CONDITIONING:
Complete evaporator assembly; a.c. compressor; a.c. electrofan; a.c. control unit; a.c. control panel;

BODY:
RHT- Retractile Hard Top; RHT roof function; (wear, bodywork and paint defects, seals and water infiltration are excluded)
Labour related to the removal/installation and replacement of the aforementioned components. Works only entailing manual labour only are not covered.

ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE SERVICE

[Garcia]

Price for one years Power 15 warranty for the FF is currently £4668.00 Inc VAT

Your car would need a Ferrari inspection. Any defects found in the inspection will need to be carried out before the warranty can be applied. If the car has already got a Power 15 warranty the Power 15 renewal needs to be applied for no later than 30 days of the end date of the current warranty.

[21ATS]

Garcia said:

Price for one years Power 15 warranty for the FF is currently £4668.00 Inc VAT

Your car would need a Ferrari inspection. Any defects found in the inspection will need to be carried out before the warranty can be applied. If the car has already got a Power 15 warranty the Power 15 renewal needs to be applied for no later than 30 days of the end date of the current warranty.

What this man says^

I recently went through this.

When I added up the cost of the inspection, getting the list of work done highlighted in the service which I'd just had done, then adding the cost of the warranty I was at pretty much £10,000

I considered it, as I had used the warranty in the previous 12 months for various little bits and pieces. Before I went ahead though I got quotes for the work that needed doing to bring the car up to scratch with a well respected specialist using the same parts that would be supplied by the official Ferrari Dealer.

I've just had all that work done for £2,300, I then spent a further £1,000 on some preventitve care. So I'm around £6,700 ahead which I can use towards any failures that may occur in the future.

My car is now 9 years old and I'm doing north of 10,000 miles a year in it. It's now time to take it out of the franchised network.

[21ATS]

ferrariboi said:

These cars seem to depreciate very little at the age they’re at now.
I’ve always heard about depreciation on front engine V12 Ferraris, but these seem to be bucking the trend.

I’ve owned a 612 in the past, but can any current owners help to make sense of this lack of depreciations?

Your perfect FF is on the market.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15837905

The colours you're looking for, great spec, second gen head unit with carplay. Nice options at the right money.

You'll struggle to find better than this.

[Jules Sunley]

21ATS said:

ferrariboi said:

These cars seem to depreciate very little at the age they’re at now.
I’ve always heard about depreciation on front engine V12 Ferraris, but these seem to be bucking the trend.

I’ve owned a 612 in the past, but can any current owners help to make sense of this lack of depreciations?

Your perfect FF is on the market.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15837905

The colours you're looking for, great spec, second gen head unit with carplay. Nice options at the right money.

You'll struggle to find better than this.

Noted PTU replaced too. Wish I had the cash, that is lovely.

[pontypool]

Are these starting to creep up in value again?

[21ATS]

pontypool said:

Are these starting to creep up in value again?

Early ones are now more than 10 years old. It's a sort of tidemark for Ferrari's where condition and spec becomes everything.

As the numbers of good cars available dwindles, the good ones firm up on price and the rough ones struggle to sell. The gap starts to widen.

FF's are always only ever going to appeal to a small pool of buyers, realistically it's an odd choice. It doesn't do anything that an RS6 can't do, but it's a V12 Ferrari. So it's an irrational purchase.

As there are so few the market can appear to be all over the place, there are rarely more than 15 openly advertised for sale at any one time and there can be a vast spread based on age, mileage, spec and condition.

Personally I feel anywhere around £100K is a bargain for one of these when you look at what that buys you now new.

[belfry]

What other Ferrari could you enjoy on a frosty morning like this? This really is a very complete package.

[bryn_p]

21ATS said:

pontypool said:

Are these starting to creep up in value again?

Early ones are now more than 10 years old. It's a sort of tidemark for Ferrari's where condition and spec becomes everything.

As the numbers of good cars available dwindles, the good ones firm up on price and the rough ones struggle to sell. The gap starts to widen.

FF's are always only ever going to appeal to a small pool of buyers, realistically it's an odd choice. It doesn't do anything that an RS6 can't do, but it's a V12 Ferrari. So it's an irrational purchase.

As there are so few the market can appear to be all over the place, there are rarely more than 15 openly advertised for sale at any one time and there can be a vast spread based on age, mileage, spec and condition.

Personally I feel anywhere around £100K is a bargain for one of these when you look at what that buys you now new.

I don't even feel mine is that expensive to run, especially when you consider the main dealer labour rates at BMW and Audi now for example.

Stratstone have done work on mine for no more than I was quoted at an independent, I thought they were very reasonable to be honest (and always very good to deal with too)

[ensignia]

belfry said:

What other Ferrari could you enjoy on a frosty morning like this? This really is a very complete package.

Does anyone else find the HVAC controls to be utterly useless? This is my first winter with the car, and the amount of fettling required to keep the system from not blowing hot and cold randomly at various speeds is infuriating. Also find the windows get steamed up very quickly.

[Garcia]

ensignia said:

Does anyone else find the HVAC controls to be utterly useless? This is my first winter with the car, and the amount of fettling required to keep the system from not blowing hot and cold randomly at various speeds is infuriating. Also find the windows get steamed up very quickly.

My FF's cabin heating is good generally but when on a long distance journey down a motorway it seems to get cold in the cabin and I then have to keep upping the temp controller to compensate. So for 22 degrees it has to be set at 28 degrees. I thought it was a thermostat problem but thats been ruled out.

Might need a new air temp sensor in the cabin.

[barchetta_boy]

Will 458 or California wheels work as a winter set for the FF?

Got my eye on the Cali wheels on CC as a winter set

[pontypool]

Had my car for over 5 years now and still have no idea what all the arrows on the HVAC knobs actually mean in terms of resulting airflow.

[ANOpax]

barchetta_boy said:

Will 458 or California wheels work as a winter set for the FF?

Got my eye on the Cali wheels on CC as a winter set

The offsets are compatible between the FF, Cali and 458. The issue you'll encounter is that the 458 and Cali wheels might not be rated for the axle load of the FF. I also notice that the CC set of wheels are 19". This opens up a can of worms in terms of tyre sizing but can be beneficial as you'll end up with a fatter sidewall which is good for traction, comfort and pothole absorption. The flipside is an ungainly look and worse handling. The photo below shows a 19/20 staggered setup. The fronts are wearing 245/40/19 tyres. I don't think I've seen a photo of 19" all round. Please update us if you decide to go ahead.

The alternative is to source a s/h set of the stock FF or Lusso wheels on eBay as they aren't much loved and therefore relatively cheap.

[ANOpax]

ensignia said:

Does anyone else find the HVAC controls to be utterly useless? This is my first winter with the car, and the amount of fettling required to keep the system from not blowing hot and cold randomly at various speeds is infuriating. Also find the windows get steamed up very quickly.

No issue with my HVAC in any conditions, from +40c to -10c. No steamy windows either...

[barchetta_boy]

Thanks, appreciate the info there on the wheels

[matrignano]

ANOpax said:

The offsets are compatible between the FF, Cali and 458. The issue you'll encounter is that the 458 and Cali wheels might not be rated for the axle load of the FF. I also notice that the CC set of wheels are 19". This opens up a can of worms in terms of tyre sizing but can be beneficial as you'll end up with a fatter sidewall which is good for traction, comfort and pothole absorption. The flipside is an ungainly look and worse handling. The photo below shows a 19/20 staggered setup. The fronts are wearing 245/40/19 tyres. I don't think I've seen a photo of 19" all round. Please update us if you decide to go ahead.

The alternative is to source a s/h set of the stock FF or Lusso wheels on eBay as they aren't much loved and therefore relatively cheap.

Are those forged F12 wheels?

[ANOpax]

matrignano said:

Are those forged F12 wheels?

No. They're aftermarket wheels in a similar design.

[Jules Sunley]

This sold on CC yesterday for 81.5k plus fees. Seems quite cheap? 2012 with 26k miles.

[bryn_p]

Jules Sunley said:

This sold on CC yesterday for 81.5k plus fees. Seems quite cheap? 2012 with 26k miles.

I thought so too, the spec is pretty much right up my street but I can see why others may consider it a bit dull.

Might just be the market and time of year, there were some other cheap cars sold on CC last night too.