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911Thrasher said:
and the fact that a FF is probably a lot more expensive to maintain than a 612...you guys are scaring people with talks of PTU and DCT, none of these on 612
also beat in mind that in general second hand market for Ferrari's has always been cheaper in the UK, it's not just FF that are cheaper, but the whole line (458, 488, F12, 812, etc.)
The FF probably isn't much more expensive to maintain than the 612. The major differences will be;also beat in mind that in general second hand market for Ferrari's has always been cheaper in the UK, it's not just FF that are cheaper, but the whole line (458, 488, F12, 812, etc.)
PTU is £8k to fix on the FF but it's not a common failure.
The OTO glass roof is £10k to fix but not a common failure.
A DCT rebuild on the FF is c.£6-7k but the 612 will cost you c.£3-4k in clutches and F1 actuators so the difference isn't that great and the belt service on the 612 is going to cost you £1.5-2k every 5 years.
The FF has CCBs but so do a number of 612s. A steel braked 612 will obviously be cheaper on coonsumables.
No problems with the FF magnaride dampers have been reported but they're expensive when they do go - probably equivalent to the long term cost of constant ball joint replacement on the 612.
So if you have an OTO with CCBs,your aquisition and running costs and risks probably aren't much different to running an FF.
Go for a steel roofed and braked 612 and you'll probably be buying cheaper and running cheaper.
ETA
oh - and regarding prices, when I first moved to Europe, F-cars were much cheaper here than in the UK. That's why there's a fair few left hookers in the UK. The situation is currently reversed. It comes and goes with the exchange rate.
Edited by ANOpax on Friday 29th January 12:31
I have spoken to a few of the dealers with cars currently for sale and most have not had the ptu rebuild, dct seals, dct speed sensor repair, brakes replaced etc so there is the possibility of expensive repairs lurking around the corner, I would rather buy a car for the right price with a known issue than pay dealer money when all of the known issues aren’t covered by warranty.
One dealer even told me the car I was inquiring about had a few minor issues and too much brake wear to qualify for a Ferrari power warranty...!
One dealer even told me the car I was inquiring about had a few minor issues and too much brake wear to qualify for a Ferrari power warranty...!
ghost83 said:
On the FF regarding the ptu and other failures are they covered in a ferrari warranty?
Also how often do they go?
PTU failures and DCT rebuilds are covered under warranty but gasket and seal leaks are not. You're better off self insuring as you only need 2 years' failure free motoring to break even on the cost of the warranty vs paying for the fix. On a risk adjusted basis, the warranty is bad value.Also how often do they go?
Based on the best (but still limited) dataset available, I estimate that the chance of a PTU failure is 0.5% pa.
There are dealerships like Meridien who have never had to replace a PTU (according to one of their customers who spoke to the service manager).
DCT failure rates are higher but you can mitigate the risk of that by getting a 2013 car or later as one of the failure modes (brittle tie wraps) was addressed from 2013 onwards.
Davebgt40 said:
I have spoken to a few of the dealers with cars currently for sale and most have not had the ptu rebuild, dct seals, dct speed sensor repair etc
Which goes to show you how reliable and well built the cars actually are given that the weighted average FF fleet age is 8yrs.Edited by ANOpax on Friday 29th January 08:37
marky7seven said:
This one is beautiful, but really over priced: https://www.luxclassics.com/vehicle-details/Used-F...
What would be a 'good' price to pay for this car?2010spy said:
marky7seven said:
This one is beautiful, but really over priced: https://www.luxclassics.com/vehicle-details/Used-F...
What would be a 'good' price to pay for this car?This V12 Lusso is near enough same price: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101218...
I really like the lightness of this interior, looks very Med (some might say very Emirates). It would feel fun, not like you're in some Audi A6 all black interior.
It's unoffically the highest mileage Lusso on the market which might account for it's price. But is that it? Would there be other factors to make it less than many Ts?
I really like the lightness of this interior, looks very Med (some might say very Emirates). It would feel fun, not like you're in some Audi A6 all black interior.
It's unoffically the highest mileage Lusso on the market which might account for it's price. But is that it? Would there be other factors to make it less than many Ts?
Van Dessel said:
This V12 Lusso is near enough same price: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101218...
I really like the lightness of this interior, looks very Med (some might say very Emirates). It would feel fun, not like you're in some Audi A6 all black interior.
It's unoffically the highest mileage Lusso on the market which might account for it's price. But is that it? Would there be other factors to make it less than many Ts?
It's more Med than Mid-east. Italy springs to mind for cars with blu leather but they usually have a silver or white paint job. The real Emirati cars are all red inside (with beige/tan sometimes) and white on the outside.I really like the lightness of this interior, looks very Med (some might say very Emirates). It would feel fun, not like you're in some Audi A6 all black interior.
It's unoffically the highest mileage Lusso on the market which might account for it's price. But is that it? Would there be other factors to make it less than many Ts?
Regarding price, blue leather is not to everyone's taste.There are a couple of nice blue leather FF's for sale at the moment - both with the semi-aniline option which is lovely. One is grigio silverstone, the other is argento. I'd take the argento one.
Davebgt40 said:
Totally agree, has anyone had privacy glass replaced with standard?
I agree, the clear glass is much nicer. Looked into this whilst considering a car with privacy. It's obviously not film so you'd have to replace the glass. Found a pair of rear quarter windows for about £1k online, used obviously. Couldn't find a rear glass used but new I think they are £3k. FF plan has sadly been put on hold as I impulse bought a 2006 Maserati Gransport LE yesterday. Rear seats for the kids, not very expensive to buy, inspected and in prefect nick. Prettier and rarer than the later Granturismo, if much more flawed.
Still not quite sure how that happened, but that's often how things work out for me in car buying terms.
Staying as a lurker here as I suspect the Maser will be with us for a year or two at most, and I hope FF prices will soften a bit.
Still not quite sure how that happened, but that's often how things work out for me in car buying terms.
Staying as a lurker here as I suspect the Maser will be with us for a year or two at most, and I hope FF prices will soften a bit.
Rear side window are £350 Each
Rear screen £650
All new, half this for second hand parts.
https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/ff-rhd/...
So Ferrari quoting about £5k to fit and £1500 for the parts which is par for the course.
Rear screen £650
All new, half this for second hand parts.
https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/ff-rhd/...
So Ferrari quoting about £5k to fit and £1500 for the parts which is par for the course.
21ATS said:
Rear side window are £350 Each
Rear screen £650
All new, half this for second hand parts.
https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/ff-rhd/...
So Ferrari quoting about £5k to fit and £1500 for the parts which is par for the course.
Wow! Great find! I'm bookmarking this!Rear screen £650
All new, half this for second hand parts.
https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/ff-rhd/...
So Ferrari quoting about £5k to fit and £1500 for the parts which is par for the course.
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