FF prices

[eyebeebe]

Starting to do some research into an FF, potentially as a replacement for a GLC 63S, having been inspired by the picture of 2 bikes and 2 weeks‘ luggage fitting in the back. What are your thoughts on the spec of this? It seems well priced and with vs. The market in Switzerland for the age and relatively low mileage, it‘s also with a main dealer. I don‘t think it‘s missing any essential options?

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/8188829?utm_campaign...

[ANOpax]

eyebeebe said:

Starting to do some research into an FF, potentially as a replacement for a GLC 63S, having been inspired by the picture of 2 bikes and 2 weeks‘ luggage fitting in the back. What are your thoughts on the spec of this? It seems well priced and with vs. The market in Switzerland for the age and relatively low mileage, it‘s also with a main dealer. I don‘t think it‘s missing any essential options?

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/8188829?utm_campaign...

The only thing missing are scuderia shields but some buyers will specifically seek out a car without them. All the interior carbon options have been ticked and you have other nice to have options like lift, hifi (not that it's any good ), ventilated seats and front camera.
If you like the colours (I'd have preferred a black steering wheel, dash top and carpets) and are comfortable with the price then go for it.

[MDL111]

2010spy said:

Excellent find. I've got a GR Yaris coming and I'm already planning to replace the Privacy Glass. I'm astounded you can't spec it w/o.

Edit. Probably the first time a Yaris has been mentioned on the same thread as a FF.

Saw a GR Yaris for the first time on the autobahn today - good looking car.
Also we did 1,100km in the FF today - faultless as usual, perfect long distance car

[athol]

Interesting thread, amazed I haven’t noticed it before!

I’ve owned a 64 plate FF for about 3 years now after a bunch of Porsches and Maserati.

I love it so much, what a thing. It does everything, from mental backroads runs, to taking the family to France and everything in between.

I was recently offered 115k for mine and turned it down as I have not idea what I could replace it with. The Lusso is the obvious choice but it’s another 40k for a v12 one and really, it very similar and actually a bit too refined for me which detracts from the driving experience.

I have fitted Novitec back boxes and a remote Capristo X-pipe and when I want, it sounds like an old skool F1 car and when I don’t, it’s quiet inside and easy to drive long distances.

My car has £75k of options so I’m lucky that it’s very very nice!

Oddly, I had it sitting outside yesterday while a friend used the garage to polish his Quattroporte and my gosh, does it look great in the flesh. It’s a car that somehow doesn’t photo well but looks amazing in real life.

I know that Ferrari made a series of software updates throughout lifespan and the post 2012 cars seem much better to drive. I do think about the PTU but actually i had nine replaced prior to collection as the main dealer threaded the drain plug and I kicked up a stink. I know that the failure rate is still quite low however I have factored in a Simon Furlonger rebuild if required. As for brakes, i have 19k miles on mine and the rear pads are 70% worn so I will replace these before they risk scoring the disks. The car uses trick traction control so the rear brakes are applied automatically, hence the wear is usually higher. Pads are about £700 so not the end of the world.

I have winter wheels for it and so use it whenever i have the time. I did have it fully rustproofed underneath when I bought it to prepare for winter salt.

Brake bolts can corrode, which happens on all `Brembo ceramics, but there are stainless kits available from Sportsmaserati and the like so it’s easy to resolve if you see it unfolding.

The only fault I’ve had in 3 years is an emission control valve which cost about £400 to solve. It’s common on all Ferrari, it’s a wee valve that each bank has which controls emissions on cold start. Otherwise, zero issues and it’s still inside the service pack term so no costs to run over my ownership. That will change but so far I reckon I’ve saved about £7k in service costs which all helps justify the experience.

The only thing missing is a CarPlay head unit - i missed this by weeks only - but you can update this. I use Waze on my phone and stream to the head unit so it’s not that big a deal.

Get one, you’ll love it.

[RUNDLL]

This one is for sale again. Sold on CC here £82,380: https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

Up again here £90,000: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102098...

Is it just me or is that tiny margin? Also factor in the CC hammer fee and that's diminutive. It also took 2 months to get this listed again, perhaps there's something wrong with it? They haven't even bothered to take new pictures, just recycled the CC ones.
I do like that interior though...

Edited by RUNDLL on Tuesday 9th February 20:39

[LotusJas]

athol said:

I have fitted Novitec back boxes and a remote Capristo X-pipe and when I want, it sounds like an old skool F1 car and when I don’t, it’s quiet inside and easy to drive long distances.

Snap! Exactly the same mods I have on my Lusso

[RUNDLL]

RUNDLL said:

This one is for sale again. Sold on CC here £82,380: https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

Up again here £90,000: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102098...

Is it just me or is that tiny margin? Also factor in the CC hammer fee and that's diminutive. It also took 2 months to get this listed again, perhaps there's something wrong with it? They haven't even bothered to take new pictures, just recycled the CC ones.
I do like that interior though...

Edited by RUNDLL on Tuesday 9th February 20:39

Dealer must have just read this as he's popped it up £95k

[911Thrasher]

RUNDLL said:

RUNDLL said:

This one is for sale again. Sold on CC here £82,380: https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

Up again here £90,000: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102098...

Is it just me or is that tiny margin? Also factor in the CC hammer fee and that's diminutive. It also took 2 months to get this listed again, perhaps there's something wrong with it? They haven't even bothered to take new pictures, just recycled the CC ones.
I do like that interior though...

Edited by RUNDLL on Tuesday 9th February 20:39

Dealer must have just read this as he's popped it up £95k

top for a red car...acquired taste, much harder to sell than other darker colours (greys, black, silver, blues)

[Van Dessel]

911Thrasher said:

RUNDLL said:

RUNDLL said:

This one is for sale again. Sold on CC here £82,380: https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

Up again here £90,000: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102098...

Is it just me or is that tiny margin? Also factor in the CC hammer fee and that's diminutive. It also took 2 months to get this listed again, perhaps there's something wrong with it? They haven't even bothered to take new pictures, just recycled the CC ones.
I do like that interior though...

Dealer must have just read this as he's popped it up £95k

top for a red car...acquired taste, much harder to sell than other darker colours (greys, black, silver, blues)

Interior looks great, it's very Ferrari but I'd say it's more at home in a 512BB or 355 or Testarossa kinda 2 seater.

The issue that lingers in my mind is someone earlier up the thread posted they asked about brakes, PTUs, trannies, and other big ticket items on some of these cheaper cars and the dealers said most don't quality for the NPW. Not that you need this per se but that you have a ticking time bomb.

These 5 and 7 owner cars tells me they flipped it before they themselves had to bite the bullet and fork out for looming issues. It's a bit deflating and discouraging.

[Mattjevans]

Hi all, looking to get into an FF in a month or so. Previously had a Maserati GT MC-S which I sold to buy a 911 (and regretted the sale). The Porsche is arguably a better drive but there's no emotion and the noise isn't proper. Budget up to 100k.

Looks like I've got some more research to do on pitfalls as previously I'd thought these were pretty bulletproof. Clearly at my budget I'll be buying something just out of warranty but I'd plan to get in under a "New Power" warranty immediately.

[Harry Flashman]

Chaps, do the later Lussos have the same common Issues, or is it too early to tell?

Can't help but think that a cheaper Lusso looks like better value than an expensive FF these days when you factor in manufacturer servicing and warranty packages.

[ANOpax]

Harry Flashman said:

Chaps, do the later Lussos have the same common Issues, or is it too early to tell?

Can't help but think that a cheaper Lusso looks like better value than an expensive FF these days when you factor in manufacturer servicing and warranty packages.

V12 Lussos have the same issues as the post 2013 FFs (the pre 2013 FFs have brittle tie wraps in the DCT box). Obviously the V8 lusso doesn't have a PTU to go wrong. I keep a database of known PTU failures on FChat and Lussos account for 35% of them which is in line with the fact that fewer V12 Lussos have been made and the Lusso V12 fleet is younger than the FF fleet.

The service pack is worth c.£600-1200 pa depending on minor vs major service. The last of the 7 years inclusive service is a minor and the first one you have to pay for yourself is a major

The warranty package cost is the same for either car.

[ANOpax]

Mattjevans said:

Hi all, looking to get into an FF in a month or so. Previously had a Maserati GT MC-S which I sold to buy a 911 (and regretted the sale). The Porsche is arguably a better drive but there's no emotion and the noise isn't proper. Budget up to 100k.

Looks like I've got some more research to do on pitfalls as previously I'd thought these were pretty bulletproof. Clearly at my budget I'll be buying something just out of warranty but I'd plan to get in under a "New Power" warranty immediately.

Don't bother with the warranty - see my earlier comments on this thread about the value of it.

[Mattjevans]

Thanks. One specific question is what is the most cost-effective way of adding CarPlay ?

As I understand it, Ferrari head units for the FF are just standard 2DIN (or maybe 2DIN height screen and separate NIT?) Clarion rubbish so presumably no issue fitting something better as long as I can find a suitably experienced installer ?

I looked at changing the head unit in my Maserati but despite the NIT doing almost nothing for the car, the one thing you couldn't change if you went non-OEM was the clock (not the analog one obviously). That would have driven me mental so I didn't do it. I did manage to add a reversing camera.

From what I understand the FF head unit is properly independent of the rest of the car ?

[RUNDLL]

I too am interested in hearing from anyone with experience who's done a head unit swap. I hope to be an FF owner soon and one of my to-do's will be doing something about the dismal standard unit. I may be wrong but didn't it come from a Chrysler?

Also, say you had the power hi-fi option; what if any difference would this make to changing the head unit?

[MDL111]

I’ll have to do something about my headunit at some point as is it is no longer working / the screen only shows pretty raibow coloured lines .... I will update if I make progress

[RUNDLL]

MDL111 said:

I’ll have to do something about my headunit at some point as is it is no longer working / the screen only shows pretty raibow coloured lines .... I will update if I make progress

It's probably picking up the state-sponsored emergency broadcast:

[MDL111]

RUNDLL said:

MDL111 said:

I’ll have to do something about my headunit at some point as is it is no longer working / the screen only shows pretty raibow coloured lines .... I will update if I make progress

It's probably picking up the state-sponsored emergency broadcast:

Stupid nav thinks it is still in the UK, never was the most accurate one ... :-)

[5050]

Mattjevans said:

Thanks. One specific question is what is the most cost-effective way of adding CarPlay ?

As I understand it, Ferrari head units for the FF are just standard 2DIN (or maybe 2DIN height screen and separate NIT?) Clarion rubbish so presumably no issue fitting something better as long as I can find a suitably experienced installer ?

I looked at changing the head unit in my Maserati but despite the NIT doing almost nothing for the car, the one thing you couldn't change if you went non-OEM was the clock (not the analog one obviously). That would have driven me mental so I didn't do it. I did manage to add a reversing camera.

From what I understand the FF head unit is properly independent of the rest of the car ?

I’m not sure where you are in the country but I’d highly recommend Audiofile incar in Bishop Stortford. They did an amazing custom install on my 458. Their recent Instagram posts show them fitting CarPlay to a Ferrari (not sure which model though)

[ANOpax]

Mattjevans said:

Thanks. One specific question is what is the most cost-effective way of adding CarPlay ?

As I understand it, Ferrari head units for the FF are just standard 2DIN (or maybe 2DIN height screen and separate NIT?) Clarion rubbish so presumably no issue fitting something better as long as I can find a suitably experienced installer ?

I looked at changing the head unit in my Maserati but despite the NIT doing almost nothing for the car, the one thing you couldn't change if you went non-OEM was the clock (not the analog one obviously). That would have driven me mental so I didn't do it. I did manage to add a reversing camera.

From what I understand the FF head unit is properly independent of the rest of the car ?

Yes. It’s the Chrysler RER/RHR 730N double din unit. Any double din replacement will work. The only issues to consider are;

1 integration with the steering wheel controls and right hand side display for track info and reversing camera.
2 integration with the logic 7 hifi amp in the boot if you have the ‘hi-power’ upgrade installed
3 integration with the alpine rear seat infotainment system if you have that installed as well.

There is an official Ferrari approved/retailed Clarion based upgrade unit but its costly and its not clear how many of points 1-3 above are preserved. Those who have it seem to like it and it does provide CarPlay. There are others who have installed kenwood or pioneer head units and got CarPlay that way. There are others who have upgraded the amps and speakers as well as adding DSP. The system is flexible and basic enough that you can adopt a modular approach to audio and nav upgrades - something which is impossible in the Lusso.

Edited by ANOpax on Tuesday 23 February 22:25

Edited by ANOpax on Tuesday 23 February 22:25