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Spinner20 said:
Lovely looking FF that. Grigio titanium?
I went for something very similar last week in Grigio Silverstone, been great so far.
Yes It's Grigio Titanium, It looks like you bought the Bell Classics car which was lovely, I was thinking about that one but I don't like privacy glass and Silverstone was never a first choice. By the time I'd procrastinated you'd bought it anyhow!I went for something very similar last week in Grigio Silverstone, been great so far.
Titanium is one of my first choices though, I like the blue hue it has, so when this one came up with no privacy and Sabbia + pano roof + lift I figured I'd live without the tech upgrade to have everything else I wanted.
I went to see it this morning and it's lovely, there's some minor stuff that needs seeing to and it's booked in for an inspection at Joe Macari on 25th July.
The bonnet doesn't fit perfectly, that's the only niggle in my mind but if there's anything major the inspection should pick it up.
Otherwise deposit paid, finance approved, Just need to wait a month now.
I do have a question about warranties on these cars though. The one I'm about to buy has Ferrari warranty until August and many suggest they are effectively a waste of money, you're better off self insuring.
Is there such a thing as a warranty for catastrophic failure with a huge xs?
I guess my thought process is this, having had a chat with the tech at Joe Macari (who was very forthcoming and helpful with his time and advice) Ferrari are now coming out with a repair kit for the ptu which is circa the same cost as aftermarket solutions currently on offer.
So say a gearbox or ptu is £10K or thereabouts to fix. I'm comfrotable with that, what I'm bothered about is something like catastrophic engine failure etc.
So does a warranty exist to cover the catastrophe but with a £5k or £10k excess on it?
There must be an insurance market for that?
Is there such a thing as a warranty for catastrophic failure with a huge xs?
I guess my thought process is this, having had a chat with the tech at Joe Macari (who was very forthcoming and helpful with his time and advice) Ferrari are now coming out with a repair kit for the ptu which is circa the same cost as aftermarket solutions currently on offer.
So say a gearbox or ptu is £10K or thereabouts to fix. I'm comfrotable with that, what I'm bothered about is something like catastrophic engine failure etc.
So does a warranty exist to cover the catastrophe but with a £5k or £10k excess on it?
There must be an insurance market for that?
21ATS said:
I do have a question about warranties on these cars though. The one I'm about to buy has Ferrari warranty until August and many suggest they are effectively a waste of money, you're better off self insuring.
Is there such a thing as a warranty for catastrophic failure with a huge xs?
I guess my thought process is this, having had a chat with the tech at Joe Macari (who was very forthcoming and helpful with his time and advice) Ferrari are now coming out with a repair kit for the ptu which is circa the same cost as aftermarket solutions currently on offer.
So say a gearbox or ptu is £10K or thereabouts to fix. I'm comfrotable with that, what I'm bothered about is something like catastrophic engine failure etc.
So does a warranty exist to cover the catastrophe but with a £5k or £10k excess on it?
There must be an insurance market for that?
Yes, bought the Bell car. Needed privacy glass to keep dogs and kid cool in the back/boot. Is there such a thing as a warranty for catastrophic failure with a huge xs?
I guess my thought process is this, having had a chat with the tech at Joe Macari (who was very forthcoming and helpful with his time and advice) Ferrari are now coming out with a repair kit for the ptu which is circa the same cost as aftermarket solutions currently on offer.
So say a gearbox or ptu is £10K or thereabouts to fix. I'm comfrotable with that, what I'm bothered about is something like catastrophic engine failure etc.
So does a warranty exist to cover the catastrophe but with a £5k or £10k excess on it?
There must be an insurance market for that?
Not aware of a warranty like you state. My Ferrari service plan has one to go and warranty up Dec. The combined warranty and service plan extension I was quoted at £5k. Given the service after next is a big one at 1900 the annual extension for both seems ok. After that not so sure. Car feels pretty robust so far but want to review after a year.
Spinner20 said:
21ATS said:
I do have a question about warranties on these cars though. The one I'm about to buy has Ferrari warranty until August and many suggest they are effectively a waste of money, you're better off self insuring.
Is there such a thing as a warranty for catastrophic failure with a huge xs?
I guess my thought process is this, having had a chat with the tech at Joe Macari (who was very forthcoming and helpful with his time and advice) Ferrari are now coming out with a repair kit for the ptu which is circa the same cost as aftermarket solutions currently on offer.
So say a gearbox or ptu is £10K or thereabouts to fix. I'm comfrotable with that, what I'm bothered about is something like catastrophic engine failure etc.
So does a warranty exist to cover the catastrophe but with a £5k or £10k excess on it?
There must be an insurance market for that?
Yes, bought the Bell car. Needed privacy glass to keep dogs and kid cool in the back/boot. Is there such a thing as a warranty for catastrophic failure with a huge xs?
I guess my thought process is this, having had a chat with the tech at Joe Macari (who was very forthcoming and helpful with his time and advice) Ferrari are now coming out with a repair kit for the ptu which is circa the same cost as aftermarket solutions currently on offer.
So say a gearbox or ptu is £10K or thereabouts to fix. I'm comfrotable with that, what I'm bothered about is something like catastrophic engine failure etc.
So does a warranty exist to cover the catastrophe but with a £5k or £10k excess on it?
There must be an insurance market for that?
Not aware of a warranty like you state. My Ferrari service plan has one to go and warranty up Dec. The combined warranty and service plan extension I was quoted at £5k. Given the service after next is a big one at 1900 the annual extension for both seems ok. After that not so sure. Car feels pretty robust so far but want to review after a year.
New Power warranty expires on the car i'm buying in August - I'll have a chat with Macari about this once they've inspected it and see what options I have,
ANOpax said:
Plenty of FF owners have asked their dealers if the later units can be retrofitted and the answer, apparently, is No.
But I would have thought that if you can replace the original mygig unit with an aftermarket Pinoneer/Sony/Clarion/Kenwood then why not the later OE unit too.
I suspect that the plugs on the back will be different and require an adapter loom.
It can be retrofitted but it causes other problems depending on spec, and it's massively expensive. I know you follow the FChat thread on this too. But I would have thought that if you can replace the original mygig unit with an aftermarket Pinoneer/Sony/Clarion/Kenwood then why not the later OE unit too.
I suspect that the plugs on the back will be different and require an adapter loom.
The carplay unit, which is made by Clarion, is about £4k fitted however it is not compatible with the rear TVs (which i have) as they are made by Alpine. It does work with the wheel controls and dash displays.
But £4k or so for an £750 Clarion head unit which has a different front and a Feraari logo flashed on start up is madness.
I just drove my car to Le Mans and as usual I used my phone with Waze, music compatiblility and the BT streaming that the standard (crappy) head unit has. It was fine. I'd prefer Car play but the only real solution is a proper install of a decent headunit and then, in my opinion, that makes the car non-orginal so you have to ask if it's worth it.
There are some mega installs on Fchat with full on speakers, amps and so on but to me, that's just spending money for the sake of it. No matter how much of an audiophile someone is, you can't mask road noise, drivetrain, etc and so what's the point?
I'm in the "install a Novitec exhaust, open the windows and turn off the stereo" camp!
athol said:
It can be retrofitted but it causes other problems depending on spec, and it's massively expensive. I know you follow the FChat thread on this too.
The carplay unit, which is made by Clarion, is about £4k fitted however it is not compatible with the rear TVs (which i have) as they are made by Alpine. It does work with the wheel controls and dash displays.
But £4k or so for an £750 Clarion head unit which has a different front and a Feraari logo flashed on start up is madness.
I just drove my car to Le Mans and as usual I used my phone with Waze, music compatiblility and the BT streaming that the standard (crappy) head unit has. It was fine. I'd prefer Car play but the only real solution is a proper install of a decent headunit and then, in my opinion, that makes the car non-orginal so you have to ask if it's worth it.
There are some mega installs on Fchat with full on speakers, amps and so on but to me, that's just spending money for the sake of it. No matter how much of an audiophile someone is, you can't mask road noise, drivetrain, etc and so what's the point?
I'm in the "install a Novitec exhaust, open the windows and turn off the stereo" camp!
Would an aftermarket alpine unit not work with it all, and then just keep the old clarion incase it’s ever soldThe carplay unit, which is made by Clarion, is about £4k fitted however it is not compatible with the rear TVs (which i have) as they are made by Alpine. It does work with the wheel controls and dash displays.
But £4k or so for an £750 Clarion head unit which has a different front and a Feraari logo flashed on start up is madness.
I just drove my car to Le Mans and as usual I used my phone with Waze, music compatiblility and the BT streaming that the standard (crappy) head unit has. It was fine. I'd prefer Car play but the only real solution is a proper install of a decent headunit and then, in my opinion, that makes the car non-orginal so you have to ask if it's worth it.
There are some mega installs on Fchat with full on speakers, amps and so on but to me, that's just spending money for the sake of it. No matter how much of an audiophile someone is, you can't mask road noise, drivetrain, etc and so what's the point?
I'm in the "install a Novitec exhaust, open the windows and turn off the stereo" camp!
ghost83 said:
Would an aftermarket alpine unit not work with it all, and then just keep the old clarion incase it’s ever sold
I do not have the channel displayed in the right hand screen [usually shows the radio channel or which track you are on when playing a CD], but the steering wheel controls work as does the USB port connection.I do not know if the rear screens work with it as in 7 years car ownership I have not tried to switch them on even once.
It still cost slightly more than 2k though to install. The unit somewhere in the 1-1.3k range and the install another 1k or so (all Euro figures). The entire dashboard needs to come out, so it is not an easy plug an play option.
ghost83 said:
athol said:
It can be retrofitted but it causes other problems depending on spec, and it's massively expensive. I know you follow the FChat thread on this too.
The carplay unit, which is made by Clarion, is about £4k fitted however it is not compatible with the rear TVs (which i have) as they are made by Alpine. It does work with the wheel controls and dash displays.
But £4k or so for an £750 Clarion head unit which has a different front and a Feraari logo flashed on start up is madness.
I just drove my car to Le Mans and as usual I used my phone with Waze, music compatiblility and the BT streaming that the standard (crappy) head unit has. It was fine. I'd prefer Car play but the only real solution is a proper install of a decent headunit and then, in my opinion, that makes the car non-orginal so you have to ask if it's worth it.
There are some mega installs on Fchat with full on speakers, amps and so on but to me, that's just spending money for the sake of it. No matter how much of an audiophile someone is, you can't mask road noise, drivetrain, etc and so what's the point?
I'm in the "install a Novitec exhaust, open the windows and turn off the stereo" camp!
Would an aftermarket alpine unit not work with it all, and then just keep the old clarion incase it’s ever soldThe carplay unit, which is made by Clarion, is about £4k fitted however it is not compatible with the rear TVs (which i have) as they are made by Alpine. It does work with the wheel controls and dash displays.
But £4k or so for an £750 Clarion head unit which has a different front and a Feraari logo flashed on start up is madness.
I just drove my car to Le Mans and as usual I used my phone with Waze, music compatiblility and the BT streaming that the standard (crappy) head unit has. It was fine. I'd prefer Car play but the only real solution is a proper install of a decent headunit and then, in my opinion, that makes the car non-orginal so you have to ask if it's worth it.
There are some mega installs on Fchat with full on speakers, amps and so on but to me, that's just spending money for the sake of it. No matter how much of an audiophile someone is, you can't mask road noise, drivetrain, etc and so what's the point?
I'm in the "install a Novitec exhaust, open the windows and turn off the stereo" camp!
If they come back with a solution I'll post details here.
Collected today....the extended wait was for the inspection with Joe Macari. I just couldn't buy one of these without an inspection.
Clean bill of health and here we are.
Needs a little bit of fettling and a front numberplate, which I'll do this week when I get the log book and can put my own plate on it.
Clean bill of health and here we are.
Needs a little bit of fettling and a front numberplate, which I'll do this week when I get the log book and can put my own plate on it.
Question:-
The original battery tender isn't with the car, but I understand it's not great anyhow and I intend to buy a CTek one.
The question is, which one do I buy? I've also read I need an adapter which are available at a number of eBay/online outets. Are any of these better than others?
Can I have a recommendation from someone actually using these on what you bought and where please.
The original battery tender isn't with the car, but I understand it's not great anyhow and I intend to buy a CTek one.
The question is, which one do I buy? I've also read I need an adapter which are available at a number of eBay/online outets. Are any of these better than others?
Can I have a recommendation from someone actually using these on what you bought and where please.
I use a MXS 5. I’d consider the 5amp charger to be a minimum. I also fitted an AGM battery even though my FF doesn’t have stop-start.
The adaptor came from here on eBay
The adaptor came from here on eBay
ANOpax said:
I use a MXS 5. I’d consider the 5amp charger to be a minimum. I also fitted an AGM battery even though my FF doesn’t have stop-start.
The adaptor came from here on eBay
Perfect thank you.The adaptor came from here on eBay
I'm not sure if mine has stop/start. It has HELE on some paperwork and not others. I'll have a look in the morning.
I'll also have a look what battery is fitted, if it looks anything remotely original (which I doubt at 8 years old) I'll get one straight away.
It's going in for a service next week so I'll get the dealer to check it over.
Edited by 21ATS on Saturday 6th August 22:15
I went with the MXS 5, picked one up at halfords for £69.50 which seemed like a bargain. Then ordered the adapter from eBay as helpfully linked by ANOpax.
Whilst I was in there I thought I'd get some new wipers, that was a can of worms, couldn't find any to fit. So I came back home, did some Googling and discovered Ferrari use DENSO wipers on the later cars. About £150 or so from Ferrari and out of stock on the passenger side at all the usual outlets. So a bit more googling and I found the Denso part numbers which are as follows:-
Drivers side DU-070R
Passenger side DUR-043R
Rear DU-040R
eBay £59 later - 3x OEM wiper blades on their way.
As I was pulling out of the Halfords car park there was an 812GTS three cars in front of me. It was F Car day at Halfords Redhill today!
I have to agree with what you say about this car. I've wanted an FF for 5 years and it really isn't disappointing in the slightest. I have absolutely no idea what I would replace this with.
I picked it up yesterday and I have to admit, I was in an unfamiliar part of London, driving a car I'd never really driven before that was a V12 Ferrari on top of which none of the controls are where you expect them to be. I was a little intimidated.
One day later it's like I've never driven anything else. I find the indicators on the steering wheel very intuitive indeed. It raises smiles everywhere I go simply because it's so unusual. Non car people have no idea what it is, car people do and just seem to like seeing it.
Whilst I was in there I thought I'd get some new wipers, that was a can of worms, couldn't find any to fit. So I came back home, did some Googling and discovered Ferrari use DENSO wipers on the later cars. About £150 or so from Ferrari and out of stock on the passenger side at all the usual outlets. So a bit more googling and I found the Denso part numbers which are as follows:-
Drivers side DU-070R
Passenger side DUR-043R
Rear DU-040R
eBay £59 later - 3x OEM wiper blades on their way.
As I was pulling out of the Halfords car park there was an 812GTS three cars in front of me. It was F Car day at Halfords Redhill today!
I have to agree with what you say about this car. I've wanted an FF for 5 years and it really isn't disappointing in the slightest. I have absolutely no idea what I would replace this with.
I picked it up yesterday and I have to admit, I was in an unfamiliar part of London, driving a car I'd never really driven before that was a V12 Ferrari on top of which none of the controls are where you expect them to be. I was a little intimidated.
One day later it's like I've never driven anything else. I find the indicators on the steering wheel very intuitive indeed. It raises smiles everywhere I go simply because it's so unusual. Non car people have no idea what it is, car people do and just seem to like seeing it.
Edited by 21ATS on Sunday 7th August 21:18
So 24 hours into ownership the FF sprang an oil leak which got progressively worse over the next 48hrs.
I'd elected to collect on Saturday rather than wait for it to be serviced this week, then get it in the service myself (the service was part of the sale of the car). So I'd done a few hundred miles over the weekend and it clearly was enough just to cause something that was about to fail, to fail.
I phoned the Ferrari dealer where it was going to be serviced and once I'd told them the area of the leak they told me not to drive it and get it recovered.
It has about 15 days left of New Power warranty - so Ferrari assistance got it recovered.
A hairline crack had appeared in the oil cooler and it was dripping oil out under pressure as the crack was getting larger daily.
So a new oil cooler is on it's way from Italy and the car will be serviced and back on the road with the new cooler in about a week hopefully.
The car was supplied by GVE, who were responsive and receptive to the problem. A failed fog light has also been discovered which GVE are covering.
So whilst it's a nuisance, it's better it happened now rather than another week or two down the line.
It also made my decision up about extending the warranty which I'll do. I realise it's not as comprehensive as the original factory warranty, but I want something that covers catastrophic gearbox/component failure so I'm not sweating as and when I see oil again, which is an inevitability on a car of this nature.
I had this car inspected by Ferrari at the end of July, plus GVE did their own checks and nothing showed up. So this is a problem that must have been right on the cusp of failure and my driving it a few hundered miles was enough for it to finally fail.
I think I'll just sleep better with a warranty on this car.
I'd elected to collect on Saturday rather than wait for it to be serviced this week, then get it in the service myself (the service was part of the sale of the car). So I'd done a few hundred miles over the weekend and it clearly was enough just to cause something that was about to fail, to fail.
I phoned the Ferrari dealer where it was going to be serviced and once I'd told them the area of the leak they told me not to drive it and get it recovered.
It has about 15 days left of New Power warranty - so Ferrari assistance got it recovered.
A hairline crack had appeared in the oil cooler and it was dripping oil out under pressure as the crack was getting larger daily.
So a new oil cooler is on it's way from Italy and the car will be serviced and back on the road with the new cooler in about a week hopefully.
The car was supplied by GVE, who were responsive and receptive to the problem. A failed fog light has also been discovered which GVE are covering.
So whilst it's a nuisance, it's better it happened now rather than another week or two down the line.
It also made my decision up about extending the warranty which I'll do. I realise it's not as comprehensive as the original factory warranty, but I want something that covers catastrophic gearbox/component failure so I'm not sweating as and when I see oil again, which is an inevitability on a car of this nature.
I had this car inspected by Ferrari at the end of July, plus GVE did their own checks and nothing showed up. So this is a problem that must have been right on the cusp of failure and my driving it a few hundered miles was enough for it to finally fail.
I think I'll just sleep better with a warranty on this car.
Good call on the warranty. It's not just about the cost and coverage but if it helps you enjoy the car more then it's worth it. Depending on your next service you might want to look at the warranty with service plan they have. Mine is due a major next and actually it's worth having the combined plan rather than just the warranty.
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