When will 599's gain classic collector status
Discussion
oml130 said:
I have been looking into these quite a bit and also compared it to the 550.
The 599s really is the first of the ‘digital’ Ferraris (while 550s are the last of the ‘analogue’). From my point of view it will never be ‘collectible’ or considered a ‘classic’. I do think, however, that they are quite reliable and a big step on in terms of build quality feel versus a 550. It’s also a lovely thing.
At current prices they must be a decent buy with relatively slow depreciation. Only thing stopping me from buying one is the lingering feeling that you one day might face a quite significant service bill. Mindset must be that it will cost you £10-£15k a year all in taking service and deprecation into account.
I think I would give "the first digital Ferrari" to the F12. I've had a 550, 575 and now have a 599. To drive, it still feels very analogue. Lots of steering feel, and whilst you are pulling a paddle to shift gears, you still feel that you are connected to the car intimately.The 599s really is the first of the ‘digital’ Ferraris (while 550s are the last of the ‘analogue’). From my point of view it will never be ‘collectible’ or considered a ‘classic’. I do think, however, that they are quite reliable and a big step on in terms of build quality feel versus a 550. It’s also a lovely thing.
At current prices they must be a decent buy with relatively slow depreciation. Only thing stopping me from buying one is the lingering feeling that you one day might face a quite significant service bill. Mindset must be that it will cost you £10-£15k a year all in taking service and deprecation into account.
I have some other more modern cars and the 599 already feels "modern classic" to me. I look at F12s and 812s but realise they will likely give me the videogame experience that my other more modern cars have - something I'm not looking for more of.
I think all three of them 550, 575 and 599 will do well in the future - the F1 gearbox is the state of the art for that time and people will appreciate it for that. Of course, a manual 575 will always be the pick of the three IMHO
Iwontlietoyou said:
oml130 said:
I have been looking into these quite a bit and also compared it to the 550.
The 599s really is the first of the ‘digital’ Ferraris (while 550s are the last of the ‘analogue’). From my point of view it will never be ‘collectible’ or considered a ‘classic’. I do think, however, that they are quite reliable and a big step on in terms of build quality feel versus a 550. It’s also a lovely thing.
At current prices they must be a decent buy with relatively slow depreciation. Only thing stopping me from buying one is the lingering feeling that you one day might face a quite significant service bill. Mindset must be that it will cost you £10-£15k a year all in taking service and deprecation into account.
I think I would give "the first digital Ferrari" to the F12. I've had a 550, 575 and now have a 599. To drive, it still feels very analogue. Lots of steering feel, and whilst you are pulling a paddle to shift gears, you still feel that you are connected to the car intimately.The 599s really is the first of the ‘digital’ Ferraris (while 550s are the last of the ‘analogue’). From my point of view it will never be ‘collectible’ or considered a ‘classic’. I do think, however, that they are quite reliable and a big step on in terms of build quality feel versus a 550. It’s also a lovely thing.
At current prices they must be a decent buy with relatively slow depreciation. Only thing stopping me from buying one is the lingering feeling that you one day might face a quite significant service bill. Mindset must be that it will cost you £10-£15k a year all in taking service and deprecation into account.
I have some other more modern cars and the 599 already feels "modern classic" to me. I look at F12s and 812s but realise they will likely give me the videogame experience that my other more modern cars have - something I'm not looking for more of.
I think all three of them 550, 575 and 599 will do well in the future - the F1 gearbox is the state of the art for that time and people will appreciate it for that. Of course, a manual 575 will always be the pick of the three IMHO
I don't know if the 599 will come to be regarded as a classic or not but I often hear the argument that higher production numbers mitigate against this car or that car being regarded as a classic. I really don't see that as relevant. Surely an E-Type Jaguar is a classic and they made more than 38,000 of them? That's far more than any single model of Ferrari. To put that in perspective, about 5,200 599s were made (excluding 599 GTOs and Apertas).
jtremlett said:
I don't know if the 599 will come to be regarded as a classic or not but I often hear the argument that higher production numbers mitigate against this car or that car being regarded as a classic. I really don't see that as relevant. Surely an E-Type Jaguar is a classic and they made more than 38,000 of them? That's far more than any single model of Ferrari. To put that in perspective, about 5,200 599s were made (excluding 599 GTOs and Apertas).
It’s a fair point. Believe there to be ~300 599GTBs in the U.K. which is hardly a staggering number. jtremlett said:
Surely an E-Type Jaguar is a classic and they made more than 38,000 of them? That's far more than any single model of Ferrari. To put that in perspective,
yep, the exact same thing was said on ferrarichat about 18 months ago (355 section). This was regarding values to.
The e-type seemed to be stuck at 25k for decades then suddenly went through the roof in recent times.
willy wombat said:
Iwontlietoyou - yes, with practice you can drive a 599 smoothly around town. The art is in judging how much to lift off changing up and vv changing down, but I’ve got a sneaky feeling you knew that already.
All true. In my opinion, the 599 shifts as well as a human-actuated manual does if driven properly. This certainly wasn't the case with the 575 F1 I had. And, in track mode an high revs, the feeback/rush that you get from the 599 F1 gearbox slamming in the gears is intense! Certainly more visceral than the twin-clutch cars I own.
I am not sure that the e-type analogy is correct, although it is a brave man who argues anything Ferrari against Jonathan. The reason I say this is that the e type was a relatively cheap car, certainly compared to a Ferrari of the same era, and while many more were produced it is doubtless also the case that many more were scrapped which eventually led to a degree of rarity. When you compare that to the 599, while far fewer 599s were produced it is also the case (I assume) that a much smaller percentage have been scrapped.
willy wombat said:
I am not sure that the e-type analogy is correct, although it is a brave man who argues anything Ferrari against Jonathan. The reason I say this is that the e type was a relatively cheap car, certainly compared to a Ferrari of the same era, and while many more were produced it is doubtless also the case that many more were scrapped which eventually led to a degree of rarity. When you compare that to the 599, while far fewer 599s were produced it is also the case (I assume) that a much smaller percentage have been scrapped.
That's certainly true (and really you're arguing Jaguar with me rather than Ferrari!). However, I was at Silverstone a few years when they had the E-Type parade and there were (from memory) more than 900 there. The vast majority were UK-registered. To do that with 599s that would be a pretty much a fifth of total production. So, you'd need a lot of E-Types to have been scrapped to get down to 599 numbers. But the point wasn't really specific to the E-Type. It was just to say that something can still be a classic with relatively large numbers made.As an aside, according to the DVLA there are about 6,500 E-Types currently registered in the UK. So more in the UK now than there were 599s made altogether.
Edited by jtremlett on Friday 15th May 21:33
I know we aren't really talking values here but noticed a 599 has just come onto the auction site collecting cars.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2010-ferrari-5...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2010-ferrari-5...
Lovely colour combo to my eyes.
Agree on the dodgy history, not insurmountable however.
HGTE pack - good, the fact it’s not factory detracts a little.
Biggest negatives are LHD and what some might consider to be high mileage.
I’d speculated high 70s for it. If it hits 90, us owners can breathe easily...
Agree on the dodgy history, not insurmountable however.
HGTE pack - good, the fact it’s not factory detracts a little.
Biggest negatives are LHD and what some might consider to be high mileage.
I’d speculated high 70s for it. If it hits 90, us owners can breathe easily...
Gregor-lun1d said:
Lovely colour combo to my eyes.
Agree on the dodgy history, not insurmountable however.
HGTE pack - good, the fact it’s not factory detracts a little.
Biggest negatives are LHD and what some might consider to be high mileage.
I’d speculated high 70s for it. If it hits 90, us owners can breathe easily...
Also as soon as the sun shines you aren’t seeing out the front screen with that beige dash, trust me I had the same issue in a 550.Agree on the dodgy history, not insurmountable however.
HGTE pack - good, the fact it’s not factory detracts a little.
Biggest negatives are LHD and what some might consider to be high mileage.
I’d speculated high 70s for it. If it hits 90, us owners can breathe easily...
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