Every day tips for living with a 599
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cake eater said:
Hi JohnnyReggae,
Ferrarichat and clubscuderia have the same two procedures. Damaged MAF as a result being a common problem on both forums.
1. as per the handbook (this gave level 300ml high)
2. warm with engine at idle (this gave level at max)
Both forums mention the revised procedure and even state 2009 as the revision year but I can't find it and a google search isn't much more help
2009 sounds about right, on later cars there were some handbook page inserts with the revised procedure. Having thought about it the one you posted above looks like the revised oneFerrarichat and clubscuderia have the same two procedures. Damaged MAF as a result being a common problem on both forums.
1. as per the handbook (this gave level 300ml high)
2. warm with engine at idle (this gave level at max)
Both forums mention the revised procedure and even state 2009 as the revision year but I can't find it and a google search isn't much more help
F355GTS said:
cake eater said:
Hi JohnnyReggae,
Ferrarichat and clubscuderia have the same two procedures. Damaged MAF as a result being a common problem on both forums.
1. as per the handbook (this gave level 300ml high)
2. warm with engine at idle (this gave level at max)
Both forums mention the revised procedure and even state 2009 as the revision year but I can't find it and a google search isn't much more help
2009 sounds about right, on later cars there were some handbook page inserts with the revised procedure. Having thought about it the one you posted above looks like the revised oneFerrarichat and clubscuderia have the same two procedures. Damaged MAF as a result being a common problem on both forums.
1. as per the handbook (this gave level 300ml high)
2. warm with engine at idle (this gave level at max)
Both forums mention the revised procedure and even state 2009 as the revision year but I can't find it and a google search isn't much more help
So I have had a reply from GreyPaul and they have been more helpful. They have offered so send someone to my home to change the air filters for free which I consider an acceptable resolution However the condition of the oil and the foaming they have stated as normal which I don't accept.
cake eater said:
Fluid levels were checked and decision made to change the gearbox oil. From the look of the oil it has never been done before and the sump plug was thick with gunge (sorry, no pic of this)
Coolant, power steering and brake fluid were all good
however when the engine oil was checked it was over filled. What was also concerning was the aeration evident on the dipstick
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I had complained to GreyPaul before but was told I probably didn't use the correct procedure however Lee at MDL was also concerned and 250ml of oil was syphoned out. You can see clearly that the oil is in very bad shape, not just discoloured but very foamy.
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The oil check procedure in the manual is detailed and a little in depth. I had followed this as well as checked this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTyhEocHSU
Air filters were also checked and found to be contaminated with oil
This contamination is probably a result of the previous over filling of oil. When the repair was carried out the air filters were not changed at the time. They are also dated 2018 so 4 years old and well due replacement
I have contacted GreyPaul and will see what they say. If they don't give me a satisfactory response I will contact Ferrari Europe. If anyone has a contact there it would be much appreciated.
Coolant, power steering and brake fluid were all good
however when the engine oil was checked it was over filled. What was also concerning was the aeration evident on the dipstick
|https://thumbsnap.com/HJ5bkjru[/url]I had complained to GreyPaul before but was told I probably didn't use the correct procedure however Lee at MDL was also concerned and 250ml of oil was syphoned out. You can see clearly that the oil is in very bad shape, not just discoloured but very foamy.
[url]The oil check procedure in the manual is detailed and a little in depth. I had followed this as well as checked this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTyhEocHSU
Air filters were also checked and found to be contaminated with oil
This contamination is probably a result of the previous over filling of oil. When the repair was carried out the air filters were not changed at the time. They are also dated 2018 so 4 years old and well due replacement
I have contacted GreyPaul and will see what they say. If they don't give me a satisfactory response I will contact Ferrari Europe. If anyone has a contact there it would be much appreciated.
While out driving I noticed an inconsistency in the steering feel. After the previous failure of the steering pump I was concerned so stopped to check the steering pump fluid level.
Fortunately the cap dip stick showed level at max but unfortunately showed some water contamination. I called MDL specialist cars for their advice, explained that the steering pump had been replaced and the fluid was less than 2 months old. Mark and Lee at MDL were fantastic, taking the time to check the drawings to confirm that there was no other possible source of contamination (like coolant). Their advice (because I am on a driving holiday) to clean out the white gunge and check how much more gunge is produced each day. The higher loads and temps that the car is experiencing is probably forcing a small amount of moisture in the system out and this should get less. Mark also asked the colour of the fluid (green or red). From the tissue it looked green and his response was to check the manual but his information is that it should be Red auto transmission fluid, Dextron III.
Manual stated Donax TX but the castrol site states that this has been replaced
They did also say that they have known people to accidentally fill the reservoir with screen wash but I assured them this was not the case.
Mark at MDL also mentioned that there is a steering force control valve that may be damaged and wondered if it had been changed when the pump was changed. I will have to confirm that with Maranello service.
I did also wonder if the water contamination had caused a change in the viscosity of the oil and this was also contributing to the inconsistency in the steering.
Fortunately the cap dip stick showed level at max but unfortunately showed some water contamination. I called MDL specialist cars for their advice, explained that the steering pump had been replaced and the fluid was less than 2 months old. Mark and Lee at MDL were fantastic, taking the time to check the drawings to confirm that there was no other possible source of contamination (like coolant). Their advice (because I am on a driving holiday) to clean out the white gunge and check how much more gunge is produced each day. The higher loads and temps that the car is experiencing is probably forcing a small amount of moisture in the system out and this should get less. Mark also asked the colour of the fluid (green or red). From the tissue it looked green and his response was to check the manual but his information is that it should be Red auto transmission fluid, Dextron III.
Manual stated Donax TX but the castrol site states that this has been replaced
They did also say that they have known people to accidentally fill the reservoir with screen wash but I assured them this was not the case.
Mark at MDL also mentioned that there is a steering force control valve that may be damaged and wondered if it had been changed when the pump was changed. I will have to confirm that with Maranello service.
I did also wonder if the water contamination had caused a change in the viscosity of the oil and this was also contributing to the inconsistency in the steering.
idealstandard said:
Do you have a FiCom unit for reading the ECUs yourself? I've done a manual conversion on my 599 and it's been a godsend for learning more about the ECUs and the system and how it works. A £250 very well spent if you have a pc laptop.
Hi IdealStandard,Do you have a YouTube channel? https://www.normalguysupercar.com/
I don't have an FiCom, I am not a particularly technical or qualified person despite the industry I work in but will look into it, thank you.
Today was a drive to the Ruhr Dams and two of locations that the Dam Busters also visited. It really is a beautiful part of the world.
And the roads in the surrounding country side are fabulous. We met lots of bikers and a few other sports cars who were also out enjoying the evening.
We also visited a friends school and again the McLaren drew all the attention from the 6th form kids. The only person who liked the 599 was the old gardener
She really is big compared to the other two cars!
A run back to Cologne to catch the sunset over the Cathedral
And the roads in the surrounding country side are fabulous. We met lots of bikers and a few other sports cars who were also out enjoying the evening.
We also visited a friends school and again the McLaren drew all the attention from the 6th form kids. The only person who liked the 599 was the old gardener
She really is big compared to the other two cars!
A run back to Cologne to catch the sunset over the Cathedral
cake eater said:
Hi IdealStandard,
Do you have a YouTube channel? https://www.normalguysupercar.com/
I don't have an FiCom, I am not a particularly technical or qualified person despite the industry I work in but will look into it, thank you.
Hi Cake, I am in the UK, I have a YouTube channel but its usually me driving around in a Fiat Panda or something. Ideal Standard.Do you have a YouTube channel? https://www.normalguysupercar.com/
I don't have an FiCom, I am not a particularly technical or qualified person despite the industry I work in but will look into it, thank you.
Yeah, it's pretty handy for checking codes etc especially when on the road and if you get an engine light or something.
Keep the pics coming, enjoying this journey
Alex
idealstandard said:
cake eater said:
Hi IdealStandard,
Do you have a YouTube channel? https://www.normalguysupercar.com/
I don't have an FiCom, I am not a particularly technical or qualified person despite the industry I work in but will look into it, thank you.
Hi Cake, I am in the UK, I have a YouTube channel but its usually me driving around in a Fiat Panda or something. Ideal Standard.Do you have a YouTube channel? https://www.normalguysupercar.com/
I don't have an FiCom, I am not a particularly technical or qualified person despite the industry I work in but will look into it, thank you.
Yeah, it's pretty handy for checking codes etc especially when on the road and if you get an engine light or something.
Keep the pics coming, enjoying this journey
Great, I will have a look
Alex
cake eater said:
While out driving I noticed an inconsistency in the steering feel. After the previous failure of the steering pump I was concerned so stopped to check the steering pump fluid level.
Fortunately the cap dip stick showed level at max but unfortunately showed some water contamination. I called MDL specialist cars for their advice, explained that the steering pump had been replaced and the fluid was less than 2 months old. Mark and Lee at MDL were fantastic, taking the time to check the drawings to confirm that there was no other possible source of contamination (like coolant). Their advice (because I am on a driving holiday) to clean out the white gunge and check how much more gunge is produced each day. The higher loads and temps that the car is experiencing is probably forcing a small amount of moisture in the system out and this should get less. Mark also asked the colour of the fluid (green or red). From the tissue it looked green and his response was to check the manual but his information is that it should be Red auto transmission fluid, Dextron III.
Manual stated Donax TX but the castrol site states that this has been replaced
They did also say that they have known people to accidentally fill the reservoir with screen wash but I assured them this was not the case.
Mark at MDL also mentioned that there is a steering force control valve that may be damaged and wondered if it had been changed when the pump was changed. I will have to confirm that with Maranello service.
I did also wonder if the water contamination had caused a change in the viscosity of the oil and this was also contributing to the inconsistency in the steering.
So I checked the power steering fluid 3 times todayFortunately the cap dip stick showed level at max but unfortunately showed some water contamination. I called MDL specialist cars for their advice, explained that the steering pump had been replaced and the fluid was less than 2 months old. Mark and Lee at MDL were fantastic, taking the time to check the drawings to confirm that there was no other possible source of contamination (like coolant). Their advice (because I am on a driving holiday) to clean out the white gunge and check how much more gunge is produced each day. The higher loads and temps that the car is experiencing is probably forcing a small amount of moisture in the system out and this should get less. Mark also asked the colour of the fluid (green or red). From the tissue it looked green and his response was to check the manual but his information is that it should be Red auto transmission fluid, Dextron III.
Manual stated Donax TX but the castrol site states that this has been replaced
They did also say that they have known people to accidentally fill the reservoir with screen wash but I assured them this was not the case.
Mark at MDL also mentioned that there is a steering force control valve that may be damaged and wondered if it had been changed when the pump was changed. I will have to confirm that with Maranello service.
I did also wonder if the water contamination had caused a change in the viscosity of the oil and this was also contributing to the inconsistency in the steering.
morning before start - as can be seen, there is just minor white gunge compared to the previous day. fluid level however had dropped to minimum (car was still cold)
Checked again at lunch time - not really any significant difference from the morning and the fluid is definitely green but it is not really visible in the photo
And final check in the evening, again only a slight build up.
I guess this validates the information from MDL. Will have to get the fluid changed out and the force control valve checked out. Hopefully Maranello service will get back to me on Monday.
Interestingly enough, most of today was spent with the manettino in race mode and the steering feel was much more consistent.
So today consisted mostly of motorway formation flying from Cologne to Colditz. The route was recommend by Igno on PH as being quieter and with good sections of de-restricted autobhan.
Here, the 599 proved its GT capability and in some ways superiority to the 570s and the AMG GT-R
The Mclaren is undoubtedly the fastest in acceleration. The AMG next and the 599 just a few car lengths behind until the speed is really up there. Once above
the 599 is relaxed and confidence inspiring and still accelerating, the AMG running out of puff, the McLaren just giving back a little. Running at these speeds both the 570 and AMG run out of fuel very quickly. At these speeds, all the cars are consuming massive amounts of fuel but the massive tank in the 599 meant that I still had a third on the gauge when the two other cars are on reserve.
Also of note is that the 570 did not like the higher speed and two pieces of body work flew off (highlighted by the red lines, showing one of the front wheel cowlings missing and the other still in place before it also flew off)
The AMG suffered an active engine / transmission mount failure going over the motorway bumps at speed (it can be quite a stiff car).
A quick call to McLaren and Mercedes as well as a google search confirmed these are not isolated problems for theses cars.
All three cars had one electrical fault that was resolved by the usual off / on.
We had a tour of Colditz and it was really inspiring. The snow flakes would not have made it, people of that generation and particularly the inmates of Colditz were made of sterner stuff.
The court yard
Here, the 599 proved its GT capability and in some ways superiority to the 570s and the AMG GT-R
The Mclaren is undoubtedly the fastest in acceleration. The AMG next and the 599 just a few car lengths behind until the speed is really up there. Once above
the 599 is relaxed and confidence inspiring and still accelerating, the AMG running out of puff, the McLaren just giving back a little. Running at these speeds both the 570 and AMG run out of fuel very quickly. At these speeds, all the cars are consuming massive amounts of fuel but the massive tank in the 599 meant that I still had a third on the gauge when the two other cars are on reserve.Also of note is that the 570 did not like the higher speed and two pieces of body work flew off (highlighted by the red lines, showing one of the front wheel cowlings missing and the other still in place before it also flew off)
The AMG suffered an active engine / transmission mount failure going over the motorway bumps at speed (it can be quite a stiff car).
A quick call to McLaren and Mercedes as well as a google search confirmed these are not isolated problems for theses cars.
All three cars had one electrical fault that was resolved by the usual off / on.
We had a tour of Colditz and it was really inspiring. The snow flakes would not have made it, people of that generation and particularly the inmates of Colditz were made of sterner stuff.
The court yard
Tomorrow will be car control training with https://gedlich-racing.com/ at the Sachsenring. We wanted to use our own cars but there are very strict noise control regulations so we will drive the circuits own GT86s.
We met the instructor team this evening and they gave us a run down of the day. I am particularly looking forward to the kick plate and the instructor laps around the Sachsenring. I have long wanted to attend the MotoGP at this circuit and see just how steep the waterfall is. The Chief Instructor Uve said it is a very technical and difficult circuit.
It will be a long day as that evening we have to drive to the Nordschleife for another Gedlich training event. We are all a little concerned that the amazing weather we have experienced these last few day will leave us for rain at the Green Hell.
We met the instructor team this evening and they gave us a run down of the day. I am particularly looking forward to the kick plate and the instructor laps around the Sachsenring. I have long wanted to attend the MotoGP at this circuit and see just how steep the waterfall is. The Chief Instructor Uve said it is a very technical and difficult circuit.
It will be a long day as that evening we have to drive to the Nordschleife for another Gedlich training event. We are all a little concerned that the amazing weather we have experienced these last few day will leave us for rain at the Green Hell.
Zarco said:
Sounds like a fun trip.
Bodywork falling off the 570 is a bit of a piss take.
I can highly recommend it. We would have had a lot of fun in any car but these cars just add something special.Bodywork falling off the 570 is a bit of a piss take.
Have to agree with you though, surely McLaren know of this problem? One google search returned quite a few results from other forums plus the car was taken for a pre-flight check and the Main Dealer informed that the car was going to the Nurburghring and De-restricted autobahn so it could be properly prepared.
cake eater said:
I can highly recommend it. We would have had a lot of fun in any car but these cars just add something special.
Have to agree with you though, surely McLaren know of this problem? One google search returned quite a few results from other forums plus the car was taken for a pre-flight check and the Main Dealer informed that the car was going to the Nurburghring and De-restricted autobahn so it could be properly prepared.
Great update on your trip.Have to agree with you though, surely McLaren know of this problem? One google search returned quite a few results from other forums plus the car was taken for a pre-flight check and the Main Dealer informed that the car was going to the Nurburghring and De-restricted autobahn so it could be properly prepared.
Re Ferrari Customer Service, if you have the Ferrari owners app
“My Ferrari” I believe there is a link to Ferrari Customer Services
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