Every day tips for living with a 599

[cake eater]

ANOpax said:

Looking at the ScudING link for their LED DRL upgrade on the 599, I wonder if this is similar to their upgrade for the F430 where the source light for the DRL is actually incandescent. Which then begs the question of where the 599 LEDs are…. In the indicator lights, perhaps?

This is also quite amusing

The ScudIng manual givea a clear picture of the OEM bulb that is replaced



And replaced with a DRL strip



Part of the reason I mistakenly thought the main headlights were LED

Oh well

[cake eater]

willy wombat said:

When I had a 599 I always thought that the headlights were the weakest part of the car. I did look around for possible upgrades but didn’t find anything. However that was quite a few years ago so maybe things have changed now.

Hi WW,

Jeremy Clarkson made the same comment in his review on top gear.

I've done a few Google searches as well as Ferrarichat and a few other forums, also with no success.

But ANOpax to the rescue

[cake eater]

ANOpax said:

Looking at the ScudING link for their LED DRL upgrade on the 599, I wonder if this is similar to their upgrade for the F430 where the source light for the DRL is actually incandescent. Which then begs the question of where the 599 LEDs are…. In the indicator lights, perhaps?

Lee at MDL has told me it is just the side lights

[ANOpax]

cake eater said:

Hi ANOpax,

Thank you.

I hope it's just the bulb gone.

A single second hand unit is 2.5k on eBay. Might as well get a new one as it's 2.7k on eurospares

Looking at the ScudING instructions, it does indeed look like the incandescent bulb has failed for the side-light/DRL.

While you’re in there, you should definitely upgrade the main beam projector bulb halogens too. Please check which fitting the 599 uses but a quick web search suggests D1S (same as the FF).

[NGK210]

Was watching a Youtube 'Ring compilation for work-related research (no, really):
Ooh, look, a 'Moloboro'-liveried Evo... with a grey 599 following... 'ang on... that's...

https://youtu.be/d6sCFPmDK5k?t=513

[cake eater]

NGK210 said:

Was watching a Youtube 'Ring compilation for work-related research (no, really):
Ooh, look, a 'Moloboro'-liveried Evo... with a grey 599 following... 'ang on... that's...

https://youtu.be/d6sCFPmDK5k?t=513

Hi NGK210

That's brilliant!! Awesome research
I have always hoped there was video of the 599 at the ring.

Pity I look so slow. Forwarded to my friends for them all to give me abuse for it hahaha

What else are friends for!

Friend's son also found this after I sent him the clip you sent:
https://youtu.be/L2nc0w6xbTc?si=ORrDjpIWqZ4vW0cA
Forward to....
599: 0:40 4:55

[cake eater]

NGK210 said:

Was watching a Youtube 'Ring compilation for work-related research (no, really)

If you don't mind, what is your work related research?

[cake eater]

Back to work all too soon. But I'm looking forward to April. I've arranged an Enduro and Trials school for my friend's son so we're going to Croatia.

Decided to drive. Wanted to put on the F12 rims but after all the pot holes I think I'll stick with the challenge rims and hope that the mountain passes will be open.

Will drop into MDL to see Lee who has booked me in to address the minor failures that have come up. Still chasing that brake pedal feel. Maybe it will get better at the FOC day at Donington?

[928 GTS]

ANOpax said:

While you’re in there, you should definitely upgrade the main beam projector bulb halogens too. Please check which fitting the 599 uses but a quick web search suggests D1S (same as the FF).

Osram Night Breaker or Philips X-treme Vision is way to go if original is D1S. I don't think anything better exists which uses LEDs at the moment.

For H1, H7 etc. old style halogen bulb's used in earlier model Ferraris there is new Philips Ultinon PRO9100 series LEDs which are first LEDs with correct light pattern I have found. They seem to fit inside many light fixtures including 550 Maranello. Though I haven't tried them in practice yet.

H1 etc. halogen bulbs produce light at very small area inside the bulb. Replacing them with LED which produce more light but at different shaped area wastes much of that extra light as it is emitted from wrong location for it to hit desired area on the road. So it is possible to increase amount of light but to have it hit at right place it needs to come from correct location. Extra from LEDs is usually coming from wrong location.

Edited by 928 GTS on Friday 9th February 22:50

[cake eater]

928 GTS said:

ANOpax said:

While you’re in there, you should definitely upgrade the main beam projector bulb halogens too. Please check which fitting the 599 uses but a quick web search suggests D1S (same as the FF).

Osram Night Breaker or Philips X-treme Vision is way to go if original is D1S. I don't think anything better exists which uses LEDs at the moment.

For H1, H7 etc. old style halogen bulb's used in earlier model Ferraris there is new Philips Ultinon PRO9100 series LEDs which are first LEDs with correct light pattern I have found. They seem to fit inside many light fixtures including 550 Maranello. Though I haven't tried them in practice yet.

H1 etc. halogen bulbs produce light at very small area inside the bulb. Replacing them with LED which produce more light but at different shaped area wastes much of that extra light as it is emitted from wrong location for it to hit desired area on the road. So it is possible to increase amount of light but to have it hit at right place it needs to come from correct location. Extra from LEDs is usually coming from wrong location.

Edited by 928 GTS on Friday 9th February 22:50

Hi 928 GTS,

Great information thank you. I saw a bit about that, having the light source in the correct place for the reflector is critical for the efficiency and having a 'heat spot' where the light is thrown.

[NGK210]

cake eater said:

NGK210 said:

Was watching a Youtube 'Ring compilation for work-related research (no, really)

If you don't mind, what is your work related research?

It’s a one-off - I hope, ‘cos it’s monotonous – a car has been sold, for a tidy sum, as “never been raced nor rallied”.
But it seems the dealer was – let’s be diplomatic – maybe, arguably, could’ve, possibly, might’ve been economical with the truth and/or also misinformed?
I’ve been asked to help find evidence for the new owner - aka trawling through trackday footage ‘til I’m cross-eyed.
As I said, deeply dull. And fruitless to date.
‘Finding’ your 599 has been the highlight thus far
Although, it’s been good to see that many types of megabuck / rare car that are dismissed as garage queens actually get used in anger. (But not the one I’m looking for.)

Edited by NGK210 on Saturday 10th February 18:03

[cake eater]

NGK210 said:

cake eater said:

NGK210 said:

Was watching a Youtube 'Ring compilation for work-related research (no, really)

If you don't mind, what is your work related research?

It’s a one-off - I hope, ‘cos it’s monotonous – a car has been sold, for a tidy sum, as “never been raced nor rallied”.
But it seems the dealer was – let’s be diplomatic – maybe, arguably, could’ve, possibly, might’ve been economical with the truth and/or also misinformed?
I’ve been asked to help find evidence for the new owner - aka trawling through trackday footage ‘til I’m cross-eyed.
As I said, deeply dull. And fruitless to date.
‘Finding’ your 599 has been the highlight thus far
Although, it’s been good to see that many types of megabuck / rare car that are dismissed as garage queens actually get used in anger. (But not the one I’m looking for.)

Edited by NGK210 on Saturday 10th February 18:03

I was also really surprised by the number of V12 Lamborghinis with reputations for being difficult to drive being properly used. Very lovely to see

On your work related thing, I also find the dealers and the previous owners rather economical. I generally get the impression that these cars are so expensive to maintain that when major service items come up the car gets sold.

The new owner being unaware of the impending huge bill, thinking he's got years before clutch / ceramics etc need replacing, goes to the first service or hears some rattling only to find out there's a 20k time bomb very close going off.

[G-wiz]

cake eater said:

Friend gave me this as a late Christmas present


Very cool present

Cake man, this one should be less expensive to maintain, right?

[cake eater]

G-wiz said:

cake eater said:

Friend gave me this as a late Christmas present


Very cool present

Cake man, this one should be less expensive to maintain, right?

I hope so

[cake eater]

Dear PH,

Does anyone have a complete list of HGTE parts?

I found this thread on Ferrarichat
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/599-deal...

And it's the most complete list I can find. Can't get anything from Ferrari.

Reason is I've been offered HGTE inner wheel arch linings. Apparently they are designed to allow more air flow out. But I can find anything to confirm this.

GTB front wheel arch


HGTE wheel arch


Sorry for the picture of a screen. They look the same but may just be generic pictures.

[Hughesie]

cake eater said:

There's also a chip in the windscreen from Norway that's slowing becoming a crack.


A new windscreen from Ferrari is 2000 GBP. The thermal absorbing version is 2700 GBP.

Problem is that insurance will only cover a maximum of 1000.

Admiral refused mine (OEM), on std £70 excess, i paid £275 and they used a OEM one so all was good.

[cake eater]

Hughesie said:

Admiral refused mine (OEM), on std £70 excess, i paid £275 and they used a OEM one so all was good.

Maybe there's some room to play with then.

Did you have to use auto glass or equivalent?

[Hughesie]

Yeah it was Autoglass mate.

[Hughesie]

Re the brakes, there is a bedding in procedure, make sure you do this, its V important, otherwise your brakes wont bed in properly and be a bit weird like you described. I did this twice on mine as they still didn't feel right, now they are great, also surprised you needed them coded, do MDL have an SD3, as Autofficina did mine all inhouse.

a) Perform a series of 10 to 15 partial stops from 65 mph to 10 mph (preferred) with the first 3 under moderate braking, increasing to 75% to 90% of full braking during the series of stops. (Please ensure compliance with all applicable laws and ordinances.)
b) Performance should increase somewhat during this process and fall off toward the end of this cycle.
c) Do not come to a complete stop during this cycle, if at all possible, as this may interrupt the material transfer process to the rotor surface; Note: material transfer process will take longer with new rotors.
d) If friction smell becomes excessive during this first series of stops, become less aggressive with braking and complete the test sequence. Excessive braking at this stage can cause the resins to be released from the friction material leading to Green fade and coating of the rotor surfaces with excessive amounts of resin, which is undesirable, rather than a proper mix of friction material.
e) Allow the brakes to cool by driving at higher allowable speeds and with little if any braking, if possible.

Part 2
a) Repeat the above sequence, including the cooling section
b) Generally 2 complete sequences is often sufficient
c) A 3rd sequence may be performed if deemed necessary.
d) Allow brakes to cool, as per above, before coming to a complete stop or parking the vehicle

Notes: Pads driven primarily on street will require periodic more aggressive braking, to replenish/maintain the transfer layer of material on the rotor surface.
Note: DO NOT ALLOW ABS ACTIVATION during the bedding procedure as this may result in a non-uniform transfer of friction material to the rotor surface and a reduction in braking smoothness. The rotor surface may require attention if this occurs. (e.g.ScotchBrite/BrakeKleen).

I was also advised to do 3/4 very high speed down to 20 mph and back to normal driving speeds as well.

Edited by Hughesie on Tuesday 27th February 09:37

[Hughesie]

Mines off for a respray at the weekend, so final drive on Sunday before its painted/Carbon Ceramic coated and then PPF'd !