Forghieri speaks on the Glickenhaus car
Discussion
Silent1 said:
And there comes the smackdown to one of the most tragic vendettas i've ever seen! 
QFTJim
When Cavallino Magazine after many years of 0846 denial publishes noted Ferrari Historian Keith Bluemel's article that 0846 owned by me actually exists and recently attended The Amelia Island Concours all bets are off... Could Peace on Earth be possible???
http://www.cavallino.com/2014/04/01/ferraris-at-th...
I will ask again:
In the interest of full disclosure to eliminate the risk of misinterpretation, statements being misunderstood and taken out of context, please would Mr Glickenhaus post the full content of the exchanges of messages with no omissions between himself and Ing. Forghieri. Thank you in advance.
In the interest of full disclosure to eliminate the risk of misinterpretation, statements being misunderstood and taken out of context, please would Mr Glickenhaus post the full content of the exchanges of messages with no omissions between himself and Ing. Forghieri. Thank you in advance.
Elex said:
I will ask again:
In the interest of full disclosure to eliminate the risk of misinterpretation, statements being misunderstood and taken out of context, please would Mr Glickenhaus post the full content of the exchanges of messages with no omissions between himself and Ing. Forghieri. Thank you in advance.
....and what did Ing. Forghieri say about the following below from my original post???????? You must have asked for his comments on that as you did my other comments.In the interest of full disclosure to eliminate the risk of misinterpretation, statements being misunderstood and taken out of context, please would Mr Glickenhaus post the full content of the exchanges of messages with no omissions between himself and Ing. Forghieri. Thank you in advance.
"According to Mauro Forghieri, the Glickenhaus chassis is not the original 0846."
Edited by Elex on Tuesday 26th August 06:00
Elex said:
I will ask again:
In the interest of full disclosure to eliminate the risk of misinterpretation, statements being misunderstood and taken out of context, please would Mr Glickenhaus post the full content of the exchanges of messages with no omissions between himself and Ing. Forghieri. Thank you in advance.
Perhaps in the interest of full disclosure you could say what your issue with JG is? There's hundreds of classics with "interesting" pasts, why is this one causing you so much concern? I hope you appreciate why people new to this topic see it as an attack on the person over and above the car. In the interest of full disclosure to eliminate the risk of misinterpretation, statements being misunderstood and taken out of context, please would Mr Glickenhaus post the full content of the exchanges of messages with no omissions between himself and Ing. Forghieri. Thank you in advance.
Elex said:
Elex said:
I will ask again:
In the interest of full disclosure to eliminate the risk of misinterpretation, statements being misunderstood and taken out of context, please would Mr Glickenhaus post the full content of the exchanges of messages with no omissions between himself and Ing. Forghieri. Thank you in advance.
....and what did Ing. Forghieri say about the following below from my original post???????? You must have asked for his comments on that as you did my other comments.In the interest of full disclosure to eliminate the risk of misinterpretation, statements being misunderstood and taken out of context, please would Mr Glickenhaus post the full content of the exchanges of messages with no omissions between himself and Ing. Forghieri. Thank you in advance.
"According to Mauro Forghieri, the Glickenhaus chassis is not the original 0846."
Edited by Elex on Tuesday 26th August 06:00
Just accept Ferrari accept that its the original car and move on, i'd take their opinion over yours on their cars any day!
Silent1 said:
Look, i really sincerely doubt this is going to happen, you're far better moving on, if you're that concerned with the history of classic cars why don't you investigate the Auto Union Silver Arrows as they're pretty chequered.
Just accept Ferrari accept that its the original car and move on, i'd take their opinion over yours on their cars any day!
This Troll's quoted statement in this post of mine on Ferrari Chat EXACTLY Proves your point:Just accept Ferrari accept that its the original car and move on, i'd take their opinion over yours on their cars any day!
Ferrari clearly stated before publishing the fact in their sole discretion that I have been the owner of 1967 Ferrari P 3/4 Chassis 0846 since July 2000 that they first constructed in 1966, what department at Ferrari would have to investigate my submission before Ferrari would allow that to occur.
Dear Mr Glickenhaus,
We would like to inform you that we have received the complete brochure of your car.
We would kindly ask you to provide us with some digital pictures of the car, if possible, so to forward them to the competent department for classical cars. Once these data have been entered, the car can be visualized in your ‘Ferrari Garage’.
We thank you for your patience and would like to underline that these are not standard procedures.
Being yours a unique car, we need to work in a very scrupulous way.
We thank you very much for the kind cooperation and remain at your complete disposal for further information.
With kindest regards,
Ferrari Customer Care
Months ago Steve clearly stated exactly what he felt that meant.
" Does Ferrari sanction/vet information posted on the owner's section of their web site before Ferrari actually publish/post it? If as I now suspect that is the case, I have previously been misinformed by being told that the information posted there is posted without sanction by the owners, and therefore I have decided the following: If Ferrari have vetted and agree the information submitted by the owner, and it is Ferrari who have posted/published on their own web site that Jim Glickenhaus is the owner of 0846, then who am I to argue with Ferrari?"
My only complaint of JG now is how much time he's spending replying to someone who'll never be satisfied when he's got the most staggering car collection and should be 
!!
On a slightly unconnected note - I saw my first Ferrari today in the wilds of Texas where I currently am... a California with the top down (no one seems to drive convertibles here
).
!!On a slightly unconnected note - I saw my first Ferrari today in the wilds of Texas where I currently am... a California with the top down (no one seems to drive convertibles here
). Napolis said:
"According to Mauro Forghieri, chassis 0846 was destroyed after Le Mans '67."
Steve Robertson
>Dear Mr Glickenhaus
I will try to clarify my statement regarding the subiect matter.
It appears that the greatest point of misunderstanding lies in the use of
the words
'scrapped' and 'destroied'.Because I did not,at the time of my answering
Mr Robertson inquiry, have a clear picture of the contention,I failed to
differentiate
between the two words,and may have used them as synoinoms.
Now let me clearly state that,when pieces (or even a whole chassis)where
discarded from our dpt, we did not engage in any activity intended to
phisically destroy it:we merely sent it to the scrap yard,and were no
longer concerned to what happened to it.
Because we are talking of long time ago,when Ferrari memorabilia trading
was not
as developed as it is to day,nobody had much interest in the eventual
destination of wrecks.
Mauro Forghieri
"Mauro Forghieri did not engineer the engine mount modifications seen on the Glickenhaus chassis.
According to Mauro Forghieri, Ferrari never would have accepted such modifications."
Steve Robertson
I cannot of course rule out
that thos
modifications have been carried out elsewhere,perhaps even by another
Ferrari departement.
In the hope to have been of some helps
Have my best
Mauro Forghieri
MF saying that the wrecked 0846 chassis was sent to the scrap yard and not destroyed by his department does not mean that it was not subsequently destroyed in the scrap yard. It merely means that chassis 0846's provable whereabouts ended in the Ferrari scrap yard.Steve Robertson
>Dear Mr Glickenhaus
I will try to clarify my statement regarding the subiect matter.
It appears that the greatest point of misunderstanding lies in the use of
the words
'scrapped' and 'destroied'.Because I did not,at the time of my answering
Mr Robertson inquiry, have a clear picture of the contention,I failed to
differentiate
between the two words,and may have used them as synoinoms.
Now let me clearly state that,when pieces (or even a whole chassis)where
discarded from our dpt, we did not engage in any activity intended to
phisically destroy it:we merely sent it to the scrap yard,and were no
longer concerned to what happened to it.
Because we are talking of long time ago,when Ferrari memorabilia trading
was not
as developed as it is to day,nobody had much interest in the eventual
destination of wrecks.
Mauro Forghieri
"Mauro Forghieri did not engineer the engine mount modifications seen on the Glickenhaus chassis.
According to Mauro Forghieri, Ferrari never would have accepted such modifications."
Steve Robertson
I cannot of course rule out
that thos
modifications have been carried out elsewhere,perhaps even by another
Ferrari departement.
In the hope to have been of some helps
Have my best
Mauro Forghieri
As MF has said that he cannot rule out that the modifications to the Glickenhaus chassis could have been performed elsewhere, perhaps even by another Ferrari department, this means that it could or "perhaps" be an authentic Ferrari chassis, BUT it does mean that it is NOT 0846 as MF again confirms here, as well as in his email to me in the first post in this thread, that he did not perform the modifications to the Glickenhaus chassis.
It is documented in many places, including Mauro Forghieri's recent book "Forghieri on Ferrari 1947 to the present" that 0846 being transformed from 330 P3 to 330 P3/4, the "prototype P4" for the 1967 season and its modifications were very much the work of Mauro Forghieri and his department and NOT another Ferrari department. Ing. Forghieri was given carte blanche by Enzo Ferrari to build a "superlative Ferrari" after losing the championship in 1966.
In conclusion, Mr Glickenhaus has provided more proof from Ing. Forghieri that his chassis is NOT the original Ferrari 0846 that won Daytona in 1967 etc.
Edited by Elex on Wednesday 18th February 10:10
"But let's look at Forghieri's statement. His initial statement was a pretty unambiguous assertion. However as more facts emerged, he started to "walk back" his original statement. (This is PRECISELY the point of cross examination--to flush out details and contradictions.) And as still more facts emerged, he basically recanted his original statement. Or if you prefer, he shot his own statement so full of holes that it would not hold water.
And then there is his correspondence with Jim.
So, 'if this is the best you got' as a good country lawyer says, then you are sure on thin ice.
At best MF is a weak witness. The reality is that his statements end up in favor of Jim."
Dave Ferrari Chat
"I personally banned miurasv.
Disagreeing with Jim is fine and not believing this car is the chassis of the raced 0846 is fine (notice that others with opposing opinions haven't been moderated?). Having a different opinion to those that believe the story of 0846's rediscovery is not why miurasv was banned. He was a relentless attack dog rehashing previously answered issues on 0846. Long after Jim left the thread, he continued to "call him out", then Jim temporarily stopped posting on this forum and miurasv followed him elsewhere to "call him out" there as well as continuing to do it here. In my judgement, the motivation was not to find the truth, but rather to make his bones as "the man who took down 0846 as a fraud", and others were also prepared to use him as an conduit for questions to attack the car and/or Jim. That he was harassing Jim no matter where Jim might go to avoid him was painfully obvious. While famous folk with famous cars will attract a lot of attention and discussion, a line must be drawn to prevent harassment. FerrariChat.com is not the only online venue to take this position on miurasv and these activities of his were stopped on other sites too.
If that's not enough justification for you, here's some more:
He was spamming our site with the entire inventories of dealers that he didn't work for in order to try to impress them for a job (he was even spamming the Facebook pages of these dealers with images of cars they were not selling), and he then shilled directly on the forum for a dealer that was passing him links to cars. Much of his spam was removed by our moderator team, including me. He didn't take up sponsorship as a professional broker but presented adverts on the forum as one (some still in FerrariAds, some removed from elsewhere on the forum) and profile was essentially one big advertisement for his commercial services - have a look: miurasv. I personally exchanged messages with him over a few months, trying to nudge him in the right direction, but obviously that strategy was unsuccessful. So much of what he did on this site was not for the joy of cars but for personal gain.
The ending story of miurasv was: agenda agenda agenda - he was toxic to this forum and our membership, constantly looking for ways to circumvent sponsorship rules and promote either himself, dealers he was loosely associated with, or dealers he wanted to be associated with. He irritated a great many people across the forum, huge numbers had him on their ignore lists, and quite a few privately expressed appreciation when he was finally shown the door.
Those who know me should also know that I am amongst the first to apologise hat in hand when I realise I've made a mistake, but that ban is not an error. The long overdue ban of miurasv was an appropriate action for many reasons, is justified half a dozen times over, and I will not apologise for it or overturn it.
Sincerely Andrew FerrariChat"
The the entire 0846 thread is still on Ferrari Chat MF's quoted words under cross examination speak for themselves.
And then there is his correspondence with Jim.
So, 'if this is the best you got' as a good country lawyer says, then you are sure on thin ice.
At best MF is a weak witness. The reality is that his statements end up in favor of Jim."
Dave Ferrari Chat
"I personally banned miurasv.
Disagreeing with Jim is fine and not believing this car is the chassis of the raced 0846 is fine (notice that others with opposing opinions haven't been moderated?). Having a different opinion to those that believe the story of 0846's rediscovery is not why miurasv was banned. He was a relentless attack dog rehashing previously answered issues on 0846. Long after Jim left the thread, he continued to "call him out", then Jim temporarily stopped posting on this forum and miurasv followed him elsewhere to "call him out" there as well as continuing to do it here. In my judgement, the motivation was not to find the truth, but rather to make his bones as "the man who took down 0846 as a fraud", and others were also prepared to use him as an conduit for questions to attack the car and/or Jim. That he was harassing Jim no matter where Jim might go to avoid him was painfully obvious. While famous folk with famous cars will attract a lot of attention and discussion, a line must be drawn to prevent harassment. FerrariChat.com is not the only online venue to take this position on miurasv and these activities of his were stopped on other sites too.
If that's not enough justification for you, here's some more:
He was spamming our site with the entire inventories of dealers that he didn't work for in order to try to impress them for a job (he was even spamming the Facebook pages of these dealers with images of cars they were not selling), and he then shilled directly on the forum for a dealer that was passing him links to cars. Much of his spam was removed by our moderator team, including me. He didn't take up sponsorship as a professional broker but presented adverts on the forum as one (some still in FerrariAds, some removed from elsewhere on the forum) and profile was essentially one big advertisement for his commercial services - have a look: miurasv. I personally exchanged messages with him over a few months, trying to nudge him in the right direction, but obviously that strategy was unsuccessful. So much of what he did on this site was not for the joy of cars but for personal gain.
The ending story of miurasv was: agenda agenda agenda - he was toxic to this forum and our membership, constantly looking for ways to circumvent sponsorship rules and promote either himself, dealers he was loosely associated with, or dealers he wanted to be associated with. He irritated a great many people across the forum, huge numbers had him on their ignore lists, and quite a few privately expressed appreciation when he was finally shown the door.
Those who know me should also know that I am amongst the first to apologise hat in hand when I realise I've made a mistake, but that ban is not an error. The long overdue ban of miurasv was an appropriate action for many reasons, is justified half a dozen times over, and I will not apologise for it or overturn it.
Sincerely Andrew FerrariChat"
The the entire 0846 thread is still on Ferrari Chat MF's quoted words under cross examination speak for themselves.
Silent1 said:
Look, i really sincerely doubt this is going to happen, you're far better moving on, if you're that concerned with the history of classic cars why don't you investigate the Auto Union Silver Arrows as they're pretty chequered.
Just accept Ferrari accept that its the original car and move on, i'd take their opinion over yours on their cars any day!
QFTJust accept Ferrari accept that its the original car and move on, i'd take their opinion over yours on their cars any day!
In the Recent Official Ferrari Publication Magazine #9 there's an article on my 512S Modulo, my 330 P3/4 0846 "The Ferrari P 3/4" and Flavio Manzoni the new head of Ferrari Design featuring a photo of my Ferrari P 3/4 Chassis 0846 that I sent to Ferrari as restored by me as a coupe before I restored her as a Spyder.
Napolis said:
"But let's look at Forghieri's statement. His initial statement was a pretty unambiguous assertion. However as more facts emerged, he started to "walk back" his original statement. (This is PRECISELY the point of cross examination--to flush out details and contradictions.) And as still more facts emerged, he basically recanted his original statement. Or if you prefer, he shot his own statement so full of holes that it would not hold water.
And then there is his correspondence with Jim.
So, 'if this is the best you got' as a good country lawyer says, then you are sure on thin ice.
At best MF is a weak witness. The reality is that his statements end up in favor of Jim."
Dave Ferrari Chat
"I personally banned miurasv.
Disagreeing with Jim is fine and not believing this car is the chassis of the raced 0846 is fine (notice that others with opposing opinions haven't been moderated?). Having a different opinion to those that believe the story of 0846's rediscovery is not why miurasv was banned. He was a relentless attack dog rehashing previously answered issues on 0846. Long after Jim left the thread, he continued to "call him out", then Jim temporarily stopped posting on this forum and miurasv followed him elsewhere to "call him out" there as well as continuing to do it here. In my judgement, the motivation was not to find the truth, but rather to make his bones as "the man who took down 0846 as a fraud", and others were also prepared to use him as an conduit for questions to attack the car and/or Jim. That he was harassing Jim no matter where Jim might go to avoid him was painfully obvious. While famous folk with famous cars will attract a lot of attention and discussion, a line must be drawn to prevent harassment. FerrariChat.com is not the only online venue to take this position on miurasv and these activities of his were stopped on other sites too.
If that's not enough justification for you, here's some more:
He was spamming our site with the entire inventories of dealers that he didn't work for in order to try to impress them for a job (he was even spamming the Facebook pages of these dealers with images of cars they were not selling), and he then shilled directly on the forum for a dealer that was passing him links to cars. Much of his spam was removed by our moderator team, including me. He didn't take up sponsorship as a professional broker but presented adverts on the forum as one (some still in FerrariAds, some removed from elsewhere on the forum) and profile was essentially one big advertisement for his commercial services - have a look: miurasv. I personally exchanged messages with him over a few months, trying to nudge him in the right direction, but obviously that strategy was unsuccessful. So much of what he did on this site was not for the joy of cars but for personal gain.
The ending story of miurasv was: agenda agenda agenda - he was toxic to this forum and our membership, constantly looking for ways to circumvent sponsorship rules and promote either himself, dealers he was loosely associated with, or dealers he wanted to be associated with. He irritated a great many people across the forum, huge numbers had him on their ignore lists, and quite a few privately expressed appreciation when he was finally shown the door.
Those who know me should also know that I am amongst the first to apologise hat in hand when I realise I've made a mistake, but that ban is not an error. The long overdue ban of miurasv was an appropriate action for many reasons, is justified half a dozen times over, and I will not apologise for it or overturn it.
Sincerely Andrew FerrariChat"
The the entire 0846 thread is still on Ferrari Chat MF's quoted words under cross examination speak for themselves.
There is libelous content in Andrew's (Neurobeaker) post above. I have been contacted by a very highly regarded lawyer and advised to take legal action against him so I will not comment on it here.And then there is his correspondence with Jim.
So, 'if this is the best you got' as a good country lawyer says, then you are sure on thin ice.
At best MF is a weak witness. The reality is that his statements end up in favor of Jim."
Dave Ferrari Chat
"I personally banned miurasv.
Disagreeing with Jim is fine and not believing this car is the chassis of the raced 0846 is fine (notice that others with opposing opinions haven't been moderated?). Having a different opinion to those that believe the story of 0846's rediscovery is not why miurasv was banned. He was a relentless attack dog rehashing previously answered issues on 0846. Long after Jim left the thread, he continued to "call him out", then Jim temporarily stopped posting on this forum and miurasv followed him elsewhere to "call him out" there as well as continuing to do it here. In my judgement, the motivation was not to find the truth, but rather to make his bones as "the man who took down 0846 as a fraud", and others were also prepared to use him as an conduit for questions to attack the car and/or Jim. That he was harassing Jim no matter where Jim might go to avoid him was painfully obvious. While famous folk with famous cars will attract a lot of attention and discussion, a line must be drawn to prevent harassment. FerrariChat.com is not the only online venue to take this position on miurasv and these activities of his were stopped on other sites too.
If that's not enough justification for you, here's some more:
He was spamming our site with the entire inventories of dealers that he didn't work for in order to try to impress them for a job (he was even spamming the Facebook pages of these dealers with images of cars they were not selling), and he then shilled directly on the forum for a dealer that was passing him links to cars. Much of his spam was removed by our moderator team, including me. He didn't take up sponsorship as a professional broker but presented adverts on the forum as one (some still in FerrariAds, some removed from elsewhere on the forum) and profile was essentially one big advertisement for his commercial services - have a look: miurasv. I personally exchanged messages with him over a few months, trying to nudge him in the right direction, but obviously that strategy was unsuccessful. So much of what he did on this site was not for the joy of cars but for personal gain.
The ending story of miurasv was: agenda agenda agenda - he was toxic to this forum and our membership, constantly looking for ways to circumvent sponsorship rules and promote either himself, dealers he was loosely associated with, or dealers he wanted to be associated with. He irritated a great many people across the forum, huge numbers had him on their ignore lists, and quite a few privately expressed appreciation when he was finally shown the door.
Those who know me should also know that I am amongst the first to apologise hat in hand when I realise I've made a mistake, but that ban is not an error. The long overdue ban of miurasv was an appropriate action for many reasons, is justified half a dozen times over, and I will not apologise for it or overturn it.
Sincerely Andrew FerrariChat"
The the entire 0846 thread is still on Ferrari Chat MF's quoted words under cross examination speak for themselves.
The information alleged to be by Ing. Forghieri that Mr Glickenhaus has posted has not been authenticated. It should be totally disregarded. Even if correct the dialogue between Mr Glickenhaus and Ing. Forghieri has not been posted in its entirety therefore the posted quotes can take on entirely different and incorrect meanings. They do not end up in favour of Jim at all. If correct, the posted quotes only prove that Ing. Forghieri did not carry out the modifications on the Glickenhaus chassis thus proving that it is not 0846. Mr Glickenhaus has been asked to post the full written exchange between him and Ing. Forghieri with no omissions on numerous occasions but he has yet again failed to do so.
That Ing. Forghieri's department did not destroy the chassis of the original 0846 does not mean that it was not destroyed in the Ferrari scrap yard or elsewhere at a later date. It means that its provable whereabouts ends there. Fact.
Edited by Elex on Wednesday 18th March 08:39
Guys
I can't comment on the above - as I don't know anything about it. But - we do know the Mr Glickenhaus is a petrol head through and through - so let's move on...please!
Really - just look at what he has created - and we should be applauding the GCS003 at Geneva - it was incredible!
So - given that this is a forum for piston heads/petrol heads - lets not talk about legal action - and talk about cars.....
FFS.......
A
I can't comment on the above - as I don't know anything about it. But - we do know the Mr Glickenhaus is a petrol head through and through - so let's move on...please!
Really - just look at what he has created - and we should be applauding the GCS003 at Geneva - it was incredible!
So - given that this is a forum for piston heads/petrol heads - lets not talk about legal action - and talk about cars.....
FFS.......
A
Anjum said:
Guys
I can't comment on the above - as I don't know anything about it. But - we do know the Mr Glickenhaus is a petrol head through and through - so let's move on...please!
Really - just look at what he has created - and we should be applauding the GCS003 at Geneva - it was incredible!
So - given that this is a forum for piston heads/petrol heads - lets not talk about legal action - and talk about cars.....
FFS.......
A
The fact that Mr Glickenhaus is a petrol head of the highest order does not give him the right to present to the world that a replica is the genuine article.I can't comment on the above - as I don't know anything about it. But - we do know the Mr Glickenhaus is a petrol head through and through - so let's move on...please!
Really - just look at what he has created - and we should be applauding the GCS003 at Geneva - it was incredible!
So - given that this is a forum for piston heads/petrol heads - lets not talk about legal action - and talk about cars.....
FFS.......
A
Elex said:
The fact that Mr Glickenhaus is a petrol head of the highest order does not give him the right to present to the world that a replica is the genuine article.
Once again into the Twilight Zone.The First Amendment clearly allows me and others to say what is true.
0846 the only P3/4 was originally built early in 1966 as a P3 by Ferrari. It was modified in December 1966 to accept a P4 engine and its wheelbase was decreased P3 2412mm to P4 2400mm.[7] It retained its P3 nose and chassis and vestigial P3 engine mounts becoming a P 3/4. This vehicle was damaged in an accident at Le Mans and was discarded by Ferrari.[8] Recently, many components of the original P3/4 0846 including its original P 3/4 chassis have resurfaced in the possession of exotic car collector and enthusiast James Glickenhaus, a former movie director and stock exchange magnate. Although both he and David Piper (from whom he acquired the car) thought it one of three replica P4 chassis constructed with the blessing of Enzo Ferrari in the mid-seventies from Factory P4 Chassis Blueprints given to David Piper by Enzo Ferrari, a recent "Death Bed Statement" of Tom Meade's confirms that Tom Meade bought, Directly From Enzo Ferrari, in the early seventies, Ferrari P3/4 0846's original fire damaged chassis which had been put in the Ferrari Factory Scrap Yard after 0846's accident at Le Mans in 1967 and later sold 0846's original P 3/4 chassis to the original chassis maker who repaired and sold it, unbeknownst to David Piper, who thought the original chassis maker was making three new P4 Chassis from the original P4 chassis blueprints Enzo Ferrari gave to him. This dovetails with Mauro Forghieri's written statement that 0846's original chassis was scrapped not destroyed and that "the modification of the chassis with vestigial mounts etc." "of course" could have been done by Ferrari. 0846's Original P3/4 Chassis is different from, and can not be made from P4 Blueprints.[9] Nearly all of the tube frame chassis and other components from the original wrecked P3/4 0846 are part the car owned by James Glickenhaus today.[10] This discovery has stirred debate. The Ferrari Market Letter recently reported: "While Ferrari insists that 0846 was scrapped and is no more, a car exists with strong claims to be the resurrection of that car." Its tube frame chassis appears to be a P3 Chassis modified to hold a P4 engine, as was the case with 0846 exclusively, and the damage from two contemporary racing accidents appears in the frame as well. The car's transmission, engine heads, and steering rack also include the correct Le Mans scrutinizing marks, linking them to P3 0846 and P3/4 0846 of 1966 and 1967. P3/4 0846 was road tested by Car and Driver magazine.[11]
Since 2002, Ferrari S.p.A. has continuously published the fact on their official web site (in the owners section) that in Ferrari S.p.A's sole discretion Ferrari P3/4 Chassis 0846 has been owned by James Glickenhaus since July 2000, when he bought it from David Piper. The legal identity of this particular car that James Glickenhaus has owned since July 2000 as published by Ferrari S.p.A. on their copyrighted web site was established when James Glickenhaus informed Ferrari S.p.A. that he was registering this car as 1967 Ferrari 330 P4 Chassis 0846 with US Motor Vehicle Authorities in 2000 and if Ferrari believed this was not true that they had the duty to act within a two year period which they did not. "The common law doctrine of estoppel by acquiescence is applied when one party gives legal notice to a second party of a fact or claim, and the second party fails to challenge or refute that claim within a reasonable time. The second party is said to have acquiesced to the claim, and is estopped from later challenging it, or making a counterclaim. The doctrine is similar to, and often applied with, estoppel by laches." After the 2014 Amelia Island Concours noted Ferrari Historian Keith Bluemel clearly reported in Cavallino Magazine that Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846 owned by Jim Glickenhaus attended that Concours. [12]
In the Official Ferrari Publication Magazine #9 there's an article on Glickenhaus's 512S Modulo, his 330 P3/4 0846 "The Ferrari P 3/4" and Flavio Manzoni the new head of Ferrari Design featuring a photo of Glickenhaus's Ferrari P 3/4 Chassis 0846 that he sent to Ferrari as restored by Glickenhaus as a coupe before he restored her as a Spyder.
Ferrari has inspected 0846 as owned by me. After that inspection Ferrari produced and sold me P4 parts that enabled me to restore 0846 to the condition she was when Ferrari asked for the photograph which they once again in their sole discretion recently published and identified as "The Ferrari P 3/4" which of course there was only one of Chassis 0846. "DeathBed statements are not barred in courts of law as "Hearsay" and Tom Meade's legally binding statement leads a clear path from where MF last placed 0846's original chassis to where it is today. All of this is clear public record and has been for many, many years. Once again there is nothing new here except of course the title of this thread which states opinion as fact. "Forghieri speaks:" fact "Glickenhaus/Piper #0003 is NOT P3/4 0846" SR's opinion and linking them together as if MF said "Glickenhaus/Piper #0003 is NOT P3/4 0846" which is NOT a quote from MF speaks for itself. MF words are clearly quoted. They speak for themselves. Others have clearly stated what happened under MF's cross examination. Once again SR goes on ignore. Once again should any of you think anything he says need an answer from me get in touch.
Jump up ^ Michael L Twite, The World's Racing Cars, Fourth Edition, 1971, page 114
2.Jump up ^ "The Last Ferrari To Win The 24 Hours of Le Mans - The 1965 Ferrari 250 LM At Amelia Island". mycarquest.com.
3.Jump up ^ Katya Kazakina (22 November 2013). "Ferrari 250 LM Sells for Record $14.3 Million in New York". Bloomberg.
4.Jump up ^ "1964 Ferrari 250 LM by Carrozzeria Scaglietti". RM Auctions.
5.Jump up ^ M.L. Twite, The World's Racing Cars, Fourth Edition, 1971, page 109
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JG has conveniently put me on ignore as he will not answer valid questions. Please someone ask him to answer the following:
1. When did the Ferrari factory physically inspect your chassis?
2. What did Ing. Forghieri say about the conclusion in my first post in this thread as below? You really must have asked him about that.
"According to Mauro Forghieri, the Glickenhaus chassis is not the original 0846."
3. Please post the full exchange with no omissions whatsoever between yourself and Ing. Forghieri so we can correctly interpret his statements.
1. When did the Ferrari factory physically inspect your chassis?
2. What did Ing. Forghieri say about the conclusion in my first post in this thread as below? You really must have asked him about that.
"According to Mauro Forghieri, the Glickenhaus chassis is not the original 0846."
3. Please post the full exchange with no omissions whatsoever between yourself and Ing. Forghieri so we can correctly interpret his statements.
Edited by Elex on Wednesday 18th March 15:32
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