Huracan help - 1st time buyer - owner advice please

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Well my budget has increased a fair bit for this vehicle, the Mac is much cheaper and great for those that may have to put up with some issues for the experience of driving such a car but for me it is not an option. I think if you are 'well known' then i'm sure mac would 'sort you out'. Many people also complain about lengthy waits for parts for Macs, more so than the huracan, though this is also part and parcel of supercar ownership in any case it just seems a longer wait and occurs more often in a Mac than a huracan. That leaves me up the creek. Too many owners commend the reliability of the huracan which is by far more important to me. Even if it costs more, I will get more back when I decide to sell. I have gone off a white Huracan as it seems it may take a while to sell, unless others say different. However louder colours do sell quicker.

I am keen on certain options such as:

electric folding mirrors
race exhaust
TEB & forged carbon engine bay
rear spoiler
cruise control
sensonum audio upgrade

then the obvious:
rear camera
parking sensors
front lift
bluetooth prep

then other possibilities:
electro chromatic mirrors (if in addition to folding mirrors)
heated seats

I saw a vehicle with these (except the rear spoiler) and a few more options for just over £140k, again over my expected budget but low miles and 2017 so the price was justified. There is also one with slightly less options but a rear spoiler 2016 vehicle. No race exhaust and no sensonum at just under £140k.
So the £140k 2017 car does seem the better priced car and also seems the easier one to resell. So bottom of the barrel though cheap will be harder to sell unless the price is very good. There is a nice white one for £115k, it has low miles, 1 owner but low spec. I would be happy to buy it now, but would probably always regret the spec especially when it comes time to sell it on so think it would be better to wait and spend more.

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BigR said:

Here's the piece of magic.... ebay item number: 333722202023

Obviously they come from China. I keep mine stuck to the inside of the car between the seat and the door, so down low and out of sight. Holds my phone / tic tacs and key.

Anyhoo, regarding the exhaust Lamborghini say it adds 5% bhp, so taking your 610-4 to being 640bhp. It is loud when you get out of Strada mode i.e. Sport and Corsa. A lot of loud pops, but a real racing car noise...especially if you go through a tunnel. Sometimes you do end up switching back to Strada for a moment of calm. There's no way of 'disconnecting' it as such i.e. once its installed, that's it.

For info I also got centre lock black wheels on mine - again a dealer fit. Were they worth it? Well, why not - and subsequently a 1016 afternarket splitter and wing.

Anyway, a few gratuitous photos (my son is surprisingly good with his iphone!):

That is a very beautiful car, very...
Looking at that pic makes me feel young again

The phone holder is great, even has a carbon fibre weave look to it!
I'm sold on the exhaust, will try as much as I can to get a car with one, if it takes too long like 4 - 6 months i'll compromise but there does seem to be a few with it fitted so shouldn't be too much of a problem, it's finding one with everything I want...and price!

With the centre lock wheels, were any changes needed to the car for this?
Is the centre lock a cap or is that the actual 'nut'?
Love the centre lock wheels, my other consideration was a 911 Turbo S 2016+ but as i've had a few Porsches and still have 2 I decided against it and to get something a bit outrageous looking. I love the centre lock wheels on it. I wouldn't need to ask much about the 911 and reliability is king they just don't look as good and are also fairly quiet even with a sports exhaust but that's the turbo engine for you.

Great car, really love it, thanks again for you reply and pics. You are a true gentleman.

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BigR said:

Re. Exhaust - be aware that this isn't the factory option upgrade of a Sports exhaust from Lamborghini. That's a different thing and haven't heard of any (?) owners that have much good to say about it, but quite a few bought it. The dealer said he didn't think it was worth it in his opinion.....but that was just before he sold me the race exhaust upgrade!

Re. Centre locks - this is a proper singular centre lock nut, not a cover or 'made to look like...'. It comes with a challenge when you want new tyres as almost nowhere has the capability to do it. Speaking to the dealer, they've had a number of instances where people have turned up having whichever tyre fitter butchering their centre locks in an effort to remove them. The dealer I use - HR Owen, Pangbourne - have a tyre place set up to do them i.e. has the right tool. I could probably theoretically save £1-200 somewhere else and end up with a mess, so sometimes its better to be safe than sorry.

Thank you for the documents and the information. This was what I was trying to differentiate, I too have read the sports exhaust isn't worth the money, but the race exhaust is, even if a little too loud! I'm good with using strada mode mostly but sports at the right time and place. I also don't sit in my car revving the life out of the engine! I'm happy for others to do that though!

I understand the centre lock is real but wondered if it was a cap on top as it looks so nice, painted etc and made me think it would be easily damaged upon changing tyres. Interesting to know Lambo Pangbourne have the facilities to remove it properly. It does look very nice painted and F1 style.

Was also wondering how the race exhaust is declared to an insurer? Or as it's factory fit it doesn't matter?
I would rather avoid the sports exhaust as it just seems an extra expense for little reason, i'd rather have some other option.

Great info, really helps towards my purchase.

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In fact i read on another forum that the sports exhaust was a software upgrade only and not actually a different exhaust fitted to the car.
I wonder if this is true or if anyone can confirm if this is true or not.

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DamanC said:

Its a factory fit thing - IIRC there is one for sale on Lambotalk right now.

Thanks for the ebay link, will see if it can find somewhere in the perf to stick it given all the alcantara. Sexy looking car too!" Out of interest, what dealer/site did you use to order the aftermarket gear from?

Sorry didn't quite get you? Can you give the link to the lambotalk thread please.
The more I read into this, the more the sports exhaust seems to be a software upgrade and not a different exhaust.
Makes sense it then being a dealer upgrade as it's basically money for nothing. i'm sure the dealers push for this option and even give a commission for each car that has it fitted to the salesperson. Also there are no performance gains only in sound which could be a simple ecu upgrade.
The race exhaust however is a different exhaust, gives gains and reduction in weight by 10%

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DamanC said:

https://www.lamborghini-talk.com/threads/oem-facto...

As BigR's table shows, only the "Race" exhaust is a physical thing, sports its a simple software tweak.

That's what I said, your post implied it was factory fit.

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I'm hoping to purchase a huracan with the race exhaust, however these are hard to come by and i'm sure get snapped up fairly quick due to increase in performance. If I find the right car missing the race exhaust i'll buy it.

I'm not looking for a car with the sports exhaust as it is only a software upgrade, and an expensive upgrade considering it's only a software upgrade with no performance benefits. I would buy a car with the standard exhaust and have it upgraded to the sports exhaust if the price was 'cheap'. Having listened to the sports exhaust and race exhaust on youtube I don't mind paying say £500 but don't know how realistic this is also, this would only be for better pops and bangs though, that's really about it, it's only very slightly louder than the standard exhaust but I suppose if i cant find a car with the race exhaust it will have to do. There is currently only 1 car with the race exhaust on autotrader in my price range, 3 in total but 2 of them are convertibles. The coupe is not a loud colour and doesn't have the colour wheels I'm looking for plus 3 owners. price is ok.

There is a much nicer one £10k more, no race exhaust, great colour, wheels etc trade seller but not a dealer than usually deals with such cars.

I would love to see a video of the huracan with either standard or sports exhaust drag race one with the racing exhaust, just to see the difference but sadly cant find one.

I see there is a Lamborghini Huracan XperTune Performance Software by Fabspeed, not sure if this is the device that upgrades the software to the sports exhaust but I will try to find out at some point if I get a car without the race exhaust.

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Just wondering which is the best lambo forum to join.

lambo talk
lambo power
or
lamborghini club uk

I'm UK based

any other recommendation would be great.
Which has most people / lambo owners or best for advice?

Looking more for after my purchase, but could join now also.
lambo club is £72 per year which is not a big deal if there are plenty of owners, it's also the offical uk club for meets etc which i'd like to join and try out when I have the car and covid is over so would like to hang on joining just for a few months after covid.

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After looking at this car numerous times now, I have just noticed that some of the pics are without the rear spoiler, This is obviously an after market wing and wondering if it is an original lambo wing or made by another company.
Here are some pic, I have edited only to remove the number plate. Car is on autotrader for £138k less a tenner.













Just wondering what your views are on this wing or what questions I should ask in addition to the ones below. Or anything else I have missed.

1. When was the wing installed.
2. Who installed the wing.
3. Is this an original lambo wing, if not who is the manufacturer.

This car does stand out, the seller has other cars but this is their most expensive by a long margin.

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adamellisdj said:

What’s your wife got to do with anything?

The car is for both of us, after lockdown ends she will be driving the car more than me.
Not sure if you are married but it is important to keep the Mrs happy, always make it much easier.
We will be deciding together, we went to see a Mclaren at around £85k, it had 4-5 panel gaps exterior and interior from a Mac dealer.
This put her off the car and a Mclaren in general as the dealer wasn't bothered / ignorant about it.
So we moved onto a huracan as they dont have panel gaps and are much more reliable, but costs a fair bit more and my budget has increased a fair bit from £85k - £100k we were expecting to spend. In this case always better the mrs is happy about it and saw this for herself.

In any case she will end up driving the car more than me, I'll end up driving the cayenne more.

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Fabspeed John said:

Fabspeeds product you are referencing is an ECU tune. It will not convert your exhaust but it will give you power gains and some change in exhaust note.

ok, so that's not to purchase an actual ecu tune device as the picture shows?
product I'm talking about:
Lamborghini Huracan XperTune Performance Software
I thought this was the device pictured with software to tune an exhaust for a Huracan.
I know it is not an exhuast.

Can this upgrade the ECU from standard to sports exhaust?
Is this different than the factory upgrade?
If so what are the differences?

thanks John

Edited by tigertiger12 on Monday 15th February 18:34

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Superleg48 said:

I clocked this one too and I was also puzzled by the pics with and without the wing. Perhaps some were before and after, but that suggests not all the pictures were taken at the same time? The wing is most definitely NOT an OEM Lambo wing and will be provided by an aftermarket supplier. No idea who. Personally I like the Huracan with a wing rather than without, it sort of finishes the back off better, which is why I like the Performante. However that wing is hideous, IMO. It reminds me of lip filler gone wrong...think Leslie Ash.

Indeed, some before and some after, making me think it could be the owners car as the pics are from the same location, however I did a quick check on the company and the owners name is not Doug or anything like Doug.
I too like the Huracan with a wing which is what attracted me to this car but now i'm not sure if it has the wing now or not, I could ask but not sure if i'm too interested as you said it's a Leslie (Tr) Ash job, strange angle. Something doesn't seem right.

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Bispal said:

OP seems to me after reading this thread that you are trying to do everything you can to convince yourself the McLaren is not the car for you based on the viewing of one car with some panel gaps and without a drive.

If you are set on the huracan then do it. I have driven quite a few of both the huracan and 570 and was lucky enough to drive them back to back.

You have to drive them to make your decsion. The McLaren is sufficiently cheaper to pay for extended warranties if thats what worries you.

If you want a reliable McLaren try a 650s. The P11 platform was several years old and perfected, IMO the 650 is a better car than the 570 and the real bargain.

I really wanted a perf and test drove one and bought a 675LT. Which in 12 months has not gone wrong. A very good mate of mine bought a perf at the same time and his has also been 100% reliable. We both enjoy our cars and use them a lot. Ask us both again what we would buy again now and we would buy the same because we are different people. If your heart is set on the Lambo then get it.

I do agree with you, I also prefer the 650s to the 570s, the point initially was to buy a 'cheap' super car, i know that's never really good. I'm not financing so the price is important and I could spend more but less at the moment and with a tesla on order is just better for me to spend less.
However, a few things put me off, the panel gaps, the dealers ignorance to this, reading about reliability, the difference in the attitude of mac owners here and huracan owners. The last one not a huge influence but I was bullied and berated badly on my other thread by quite a few people, there was also some jealousy and showing off which I have never had on this thread from lambo owners, or even ferrari owners. Actually when I called the Mac dealer, they wanted me to purchase the car without viewing, which would have meant I would have paid and then missed the panel gaps on excitement and then have to try to resolve after.

My wife is also an important part of the decision, we both love cars and F1 and go to races so she does have an interest and will be driving it more than me after covid. She also saw the issues and was put off and when i mentioned the lambo to her she was a lot more excited than when we decided to get a Mac. Given that it will take time to find the right one, I can have more funds available also.

So right now my heart is set on the lambo and I have always wanted one since being young, mclaren have only recently made road cars. A lot of people and owners swear by the huracan reliability. But indeed it is a fair bit more with a decent spec.

Thanks for your post, not that it helps! as my brain always says 'yes, but the lambo is more money'. However, with the help of people on this thread i've pretty much made my mind up. I've even looked at newer Mac models around £115k - £125k so 2018/19 cars. But you are right, the right car whether mac, lambo or ferrari could be 100% reliable.

For me I think the 4wd is important for winter use here, especially where I currently live, though we will be moving. It will be a daily driver. Reliability will be important also. The sound of the lambo much better and the wife wants pops and bangs. Either I spend much more and get some options or jump at the £115k white one with few options that has been available for a while and have the same problem reselling the car later or just drop the price somewhat. £115k I can jump at now. Some i'm looking at are around £128k - £140k with good options.

Even if I drive both makes I doubt it will make too much of a difference, we just dont drive fast or hard. I've driven the huracan and it's fine. It is important to drive both but also how much will we realise on a test drive, it's when you own a car and drive it regularly you really feel it. Even then I don't think I would not like the Huracan even if the mac was a better drive unless the difference was huge but haven't heard people complain about the drive of the huracan.

What differences have you noticed?

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SagMan said:

If any help to the OP:
I had my shortlist of : 488 GTB, R8 Plus, 570S, Huracan LP610 or LP580, F12 and AMG GTR.
I've just committed to a Huracan LP580-2.

Driven the AWD previously but not the 580 RWD. I've taken RWB decision based on reviews, if has more feel, more turn in capability (softer suspension and tyre compound) then that has all my boxes ticked.

Why not the others? No reason at all, they are all stunning and would love the opportunity to buy any of them. Decision was based on the emotion of owning a Lamborghini, a Lamborghini that has been tuned for more driver enjoyment and, well, its a Lamborghini! Yes very shallow ! In terms of brands I'm more Ferrari biased, but I have been very privileged to own a 458 in prior years.

Oh and to cement my decision, I negotiated a deal including the full race exhaust. If I'm going to do this, then do it properly!. You really do only live once, get something that will make you smile, whether just looking at it, or driving it. Decision became easy after that thought.

Ill probably hate it and return to a Civic Type R with Remus exhaust, which by the way, are stunning little cars !!
Good luck with search.

Thanks SagMan, was just coming to terms with not getting a car with a race exhaust and now you say this!!
But you are right, I'm looking at the 610-4, I really want something with a top speed over 200 even though i'm sure the 580 with a race exhaust would do that, for me the 4wd is important. Where I live 2 wd has been awkward.

I'm a little stuck thinking we wont drive it too much right now and more cars should become available when lockdown restrictions are lifted. So it's whether to jump now or wait a little as we could only be a couple of months off restrictions being relaxed. Maybe even prices dropping slightly.

I'm not as much a Ferrari person, I clearly don't have ferrari money, in terms of maintenance really. It worries me, but in 10 years I could be in a better position in which case I would definitely at least like to try one. The newer models much better, the 360 and 430 days are really basic with exposed welding are in the past but I feel out of my price range.

I have always been a Porsche person but have had a few and still have 2. So taking the next step I guess and in my heart I do prefer Lambo to Mac but they have more history in road cars.

Thanks for your advice, very much appreciated.

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said:

Personally, I'd avoid any modified Huracan (and this certainly appears to be one of them) like the plague. But each to their own

indeed, thanks for the advice on the tinted windows, I'm no longer interested in this car for a few reasons, but yes an after market spoiler wasn't what I was looking for or a car that has been modified.

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Shnozz said:

You have to look at the ownership cost, not the purchase cost.

indeed, however i'm hoping that spending more on a huracan will be less cost of ownership with more reliability but this always depends on the actual car and this will only come to light during ownership. The more I have read about macs the more I have read more horror stories but this is not always going to be 100% accurate. I could buy a mac and have no issues and have issue with the huracan i buy or the other way around!
The true cost of ownership comes after owning the car, until then is only speculation.

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BigR said:

Depends on which wing it is. It is often the case - as I have on my 1016 wing - that it came with a replacement part, meaning that at installation they unbolted the original piece of bodywork from the Huracan and put in place the piece (which was carbon fibre) from 1016 to which the wing was attached. Then, I have the original piece still in the garage so should I - or any future owner - wish to switch them back, its a relatively easy job to do.

Btw - tend to agree, that wing looks a bit odd, a bit of a steep rake and a bit too much 'look at me' (because obviously a bright green Huracan would be very discreet without a wing).

I've seen this too, it is possible the car has the wing on and they may offer to remove it. If I added a wing, i'd also think about the removal for when I sell it. So you could well be right also.
But it is a bit steep isn't it! It does make me laugh, like it was done by someone who just didn't give a s**t that day!

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Shnozz said:

My mate that previously had a standard Huracan before moving to a Perf added a mansory wing and that looked a bit more factory.

Good idea, I'd rather it came with a factory wing or I can decide to put one on myself, but I would rather stay away from a car without a factory wing and decide myself. I know a great company that looks after my cars and also does work for such manufacturers lambo, mac, rolls etc etc all the big names so they 100% know what they are doing. They are not cheap but you pay for their knowledge and experience of such vehicles which is what they work on everyday. So I can have them put a wing on if I like, but I can worry about this later. Need to find a car first! ha.
Mansory stuff is very good though.

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I was just looking at the Huracan Evo, It was a 2019 model.
The advert said balance of 4yr service and maintenance contract.
What is this? I understand this to be the 4 year warranty but wondering what was meant by service?
Do new huracans come with 4 yr service paid for? Am I just reading it wrong?

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On the hrowen website it talks about servicing costs after 4 years?? It gives pricing but says nothing about service costs for a vehicle under 4 yrs old.

Here are two ads I found, so it seems there are different packages maybe, one here says 4yrs service pack £5k the other says 4 yrs warranty and maintenance. I'm a little confused whether these are the same thing or one has services included and the other just the warranty?