Abusive Trolls and Bigots
Discussion
Tankrizzo said:
Being a (reasonably) impartial poster in NPE with fairly floating political views, it seems to me that a lot of the bad feeling towards "it" as a forum is slightly skewed. There seem to be a hardcore of posters with fairly right-wing views, a reasonable chunk of whom I suspect are returning banned members. So you're probably only talking of a handful of individuals. Some of these people clearly believe what they believe, some like to follow the more sensational ones, and others are obviously trolls.
Unfortunately, this means that the posters with slightly right-of-centre views get lumped into the "zomg fascist Nazi" bucket(I see one poster here has already used the phrase "Stormfront-Lite" which is just amazingly hyperbolic) even though their viewpoints by themselves aren't radical at all. These people then get the hump with the name-callers and it all kicks off, and yet another promising thread is ruined forever, with the overall misguided impression that NPE is some hotbed of racism and bigotry.
The absence of a lot of immediate criticism of extreme posters doesn't necessarily mean we are all in tacit agreement with them. I tend to roll my eyes as some of the guff posted, especially the idiotic posts in the "Does your partner know how much you earn" thread, and simply move onto another thread.
I think the issue is much smaller than it appears to be. The problem with all these things though is that it's very subjective. One man's Stormfront is another man's political heaven, with the majority falling in a nebulous lump in the middle.
Another observant post.Unfortunately, this means that the posters with slightly right-of-centre views get lumped into the "zomg fascist Nazi" bucket(I see one poster here has already used the phrase "Stormfront-Lite" which is just amazingly hyperbolic) even though their viewpoints by themselves aren't radical at all. These people then get the hump with the name-callers and it all kicks off, and yet another promising thread is ruined forever, with the overall misguided impression that NPE is some hotbed of racism and bigotry.
The absence of a lot of immediate criticism of extreme posters doesn't necessarily mean we are all in tacit agreement with them. I tend to roll my eyes as some of the guff posted, especially the idiotic posts in the "Does your partner know how much you earn" thread, and simply move onto another thread.
I think the issue is much smaller than it appears to be. The problem with all these things though is that it's very subjective. One man's Stormfront is another man's political heaven, with the majority falling in a nebulous lump in the middle.
I think PH would be a far better place without the constant vitriol & haughtiness. It's petty & unnecessary.
Funkycoldribena said:
But there is rarely any racism, you might think there is,but there isn't.
Your definition is not one recognised by people in general.
You consistently post this without clarifying it. It’s clear that you’re claiming that Islam isn’t a race and therefore you can’t be racist by insulting them. Your definition is not one recognised by people in general.
You might not recognise it as racism, many people do and most importantly the law of the land recognises it as such.
Gavia said:
Funkycoldribena said:
But there is rarely any racism, you might think there is,but there isn't.
Your definition is not one recognised by people in general.
You consistently post this without clarifying it. It’s clear that you’re claiming that Islam isn’t a race and therefore you can’t be racist by insulting them. Your definition is not one recognised by people in general.
You might not recognise it as racism, many people do and most importantly the law of the land recognises it as such.
mac96 said:
Smiler. said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Am I the only person that finds the spectacle of posters getting the arse in a thread about abusive trolls and bigots a little unedifying?
Nope. It is a bit comical though.
Gavia said:
You consistently post this without clarifying it. It’s clear that you’re claiming that Islam isn’t a race and therefore you can’t be racist by insulting them.
You might not recognise it as racism, many people do and most importantly the law of the land recognises it as such.
You might not recognise it as racism, many people do and most importantly the law of the land recognises it as such.
Gavia, seriously, I cannot fathom why you feel the need to constantly be offended on behalf of others.
Is it some sort of guilt thing over something that happened in the past? Serious question.
On another note, is there an islamic equivalent to Godwin, i.e. the first to mention the 'M' or 'I' word in a thread gets called out on it.
WinstonWolf said:
Gavia said:
Funkycoldribena said:
But there is rarely any racism, you might think there is,but there isn't.
Your definition is not one recognised by people in general.
You consistently post this without clarifying it. It’s clear that you’re claiming that Islam isn’t a race and therefore you can’t be racist by insulting them. Your definition is not one recognised by people in general.
You might not recognise it as racism, many people do and most importantly the law of the land recognises it as such.
However, if you believe it is acceptable then why not say it explicitly instead of hiding behind inference.
Gavia said:
WinstonWolf said:
Gavia said:
Funkycoldribena said:
But there is rarely any racism, you might think there is,but there isn't.
Your definition is not one recognised by people in general.
You consistently post this without clarifying it. It’s clear that you’re claiming that Islam isn’t a race and therefore you can’t be racist by insulting them. Your definition is not one recognised by people in general.
You might not recognise it as racism, many people do and most importantly the law of the land recognises it as such.
However, if you believe it is acceptable then why not say it explicitly instead of hiding behind inference.
All religion is snake oil, it's a perfectly valid opinion. You might not like it, but you're free to stick it wherever you wish.
And you might not like it but religion != race.
The racist thing is daft and almost never accurate. I can't think of a single actually racist comment I've read on here, i.e. one that indicates a belief in the inferiority/superiority of people based on the colour of their skin. All the comments that get decried as such are actually based on grounds of religion, culture, overpopulation and criminality, all perfectly valid matters to have an opinion on whatever it may be. People that can't or won't understand the difference frankly just come across as a bit thick.
Gavia said:
Insulting a whole religion based on prejudice is fundamentally racist. It is that simple.
No it isn't. A religion is a belief system that can be held by someone of any race. Also you use the word prejudice to imply that there could be no valid reason for criticising a religion which is an enormous and incorrect assumption. The ability to question and criticise beliefs is fundamental to a decent progressive society, thankfully despite the best efforts of many we are still just about allowed to do so and long may it remain so.Edited by TurboHatchback on Friday 20th October 15:47
TurboHatchback said:
The racist thing is daft and almost never accurate. I can't think of a single actually racist comment I've read on here, i.e. one that indicates a belief in the inferiority/superiority of people based on the colour of their skin. All the comments that get decried as such are actually based on grounds of religion, culture, overpopulation and criminality, all perfectly valid matters to have an opinion on whatever it may be. People that can't or won't understand the difference frankly just come across as a bit thick.
Strangely, the ones who tend to bring the R word into threads tend to be those who have are posting criticisms of a particular religion. Usually along the lines of "they'd call me a racist if I said that" . Smiler. said:
Tankrizzo said:
Being a (reasonably) impartial poster in NPE with fairly floating political views, it seems to me that a lot of the bad feeling towards "it" as a forum is slightly skewed. There seem to be a hardcore of posters with fairly right-wing views, a reasonable chunk of whom I suspect are returning banned members. So you're probably only talking of a handful of individuals. Some of these people clearly believe what they believe, some like to follow the more sensational ones, and others are obviously trolls.
Unfortunately, this means that the posters with slightly right-of-centre views get lumped into the "zomg fascist Nazi" bucket(I see one poster here has already used the phrase "Stormfront-Lite" which is just amazingly hyperbolic) even though their viewpoints by themselves aren't radical at all. These people then get the hump with the name-callers and it all kicks off, and yet another promising thread is ruined forever, with the overall misguided impression that NPE is some hotbed of racism and bigotry.
The absence of a lot of immediate criticism of extreme posters doesn't necessarily mean we are all in tacit agreement with them. I tend to roll my eyes as some of the guff posted, especially the idiotic posts in the "Does your partner know how much you earn" thread, and simply move onto another thread.
I think the issue is much smaller than it appears to be. The problem with all these things though is that it's very subjective. One man's Stormfront is another man's political heaven, with the majority falling in a nebulous lump in the middle.
Another observant post.Unfortunately, this means that the posters with slightly right-of-centre views get lumped into the "zomg fascist Nazi" bucket(I see one poster here has already used the phrase "Stormfront-Lite" which is just amazingly hyperbolic) even though their viewpoints by themselves aren't radical at all. These people then get the hump with the name-callers and it all kicks off, and yet another promising thread is ruined forever, with the overall misguided impression that NPE is some hotbed of racism and bigotry.
The absence of a lot of immediate criticism of extreme posters doesn't necessarily mean we are all in tacit agreement with them. I tend to roll my eyes as some of the guff posted, especially the idiotic posts in the "Does your partner know how much you earn" thread, and simply move onto another thread.
I think the issue is much smaller than it appears to be. The problem with all these things though is that it's very subjective. One man's Stormfront is another man's political heaven, with the majority falling in a nebulous lump in the middle.
I think PH would be a far better place without the constant vitriol & haughtiness. It's petty & unnecessary.
It's always nice to be reminded of what you shouldn't become :-)
I suspect like mentioned above it's not as bad as it appears, but the issue is many of the trolls in NP&E post about a million posts per day....
WinstonWolf said:
Gavia said:
FourWheelDrift said:
rscott said:
He claims to have made multiple reports (and that more than one post has been removed). Is that accurate?
No.You singled out my post for answering, however you have blatantly failed to respond to the original question posed on this thread
“How long are the mods going to allow abusive trolls and bigots to run riot?”
Feel free to pass comment on that
SantaBarbara said:
WinstonWolf said:
Gavia said:
FourWheelDrift said:
rscott said:
He claims to have made multiple reports (and that more than one post has been removed). Is that accurate?
No.You singled out my post for answering, however you have blatantly failed to respond to the original question posed on this thread
“How long are the mods going to allow abusive trolls and bigots to run riot?”
Feel free to pass comment on that
WinstonWolf said:
SantaBarbara said:
I agree with that assessment.
If a bot agrees with me I must be on to something Tom Logan said:
Gavia, seriously, I cannot fathom why you feel the need to constantly be offended on behalf of others.
Is it some sort of guilt thing over something that happened in the past? Serious question.
On another note, is there an islamic equivalent to Godwin, i.e. the first to mention the 'M' or 'I' word in a thread gets called out on it.
I wasn’t the first to mention Islam, others did so with their oh so clever approach to posting.
Gavia said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Not so, your retort is turning what I said on its head. You don't have to have mental health problems to be upset, but if you have them it potentially adds problems to the mix.
But why raise that point unless you wanted to associate disagreement with mental health? The other poster was applying his own imagination to how people are typing their replies and you then built on that imagined scenario. Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Again, flipping it on its head. It CAN be a factor, troll the wrong person and they may not react well. It is just one factor, I have at no point suggested that disagreement must go hand in hand with it.
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