Abusive Trolls and Bigots

[Todd Bonzalez]

If someone said "ethnic cleansing is really good" to me in real life, I'd tell them to fk off. On here, it would be my post deleted. That's the odd as hell disconnect to people who for some reason think you can't disagree in real life. Some opinions are dangerous and stupid and should be called out. Not sure why that's hard.

[Johnnytheboy]

zarjaz1991 said:

Yes but reporting a post is trying to censor it.

I more think of it as delegating the decision on whether a post is acceptable to someone else.

[Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah]

Tom Logan said:

There are some posters who seem to be on some kind of 'faux moral crusade' to try and suppress opinions which don't tally with their own, screaming and stamping their feet like children if the contrary posters aren't sanctioned.

This is real life, sometimes you will read/hear things which you may consider distasteful for whatever reason you choose, get over it, words on a computer screen don't hurt.

I sometimes wonder how some here manage to cope with everyday normal life, it must be hellish getting up in the morning wondering what is going to burst your head open first, will it be white van man? an aggressive cyclist? a PH poster?

I'm going to offer an alternative scenario. Many, supposedly 1/4, but from what I've been educated likely near 1/3 are inflicted with mental health problems/ depression/ anxiety/ etc etc. These individuals shall be riled, upset or stressed far more easily than you. They don't ask for this, their illness dictates it. When you suffer with mental health little things can irrationally become a big deal.

Everyone (and I include myself in this statement, I can slip up) has a responsibility to address others in a decent manner, even if they disagree with them.

[zarjaz1991]

Todd Bonzalez said:

If someone said "ethnic cleansing is really good" to me in real life, I'd tell them to fk off. On here, it would be my post deleted. That's the odd as hell disconnect to people who for some reason think you can't disagree in real life. Some opinions are dangerous and stupid and should be called out. Not sure why that's hard.

The issue there is the language. You don't tell people to 'fk off' even if you find their opinion offensive. That's the language of an oaf, if you don't mind me saying.

There are ways of making clear that you find that opinion unacceptable without using that sort of language. It lowers you to their level.

[Johnnytheboy]

Todd Bonzalez said:

If someone said "ethnic cleansing is really good" to me in real life, I'd tell them to fk off. On here, it would be my post deleted. That's the odd as hell disconnect to people who for some reason think you can't disagree in real life. Some opinions are dangerous and stupid and should be called out. Not sure why that's hard.

The idea is you say "no it isn't, and here's why..." as just saying "fk off" isn't going to change anyone's mind.

ETA: what zarjaz said seconds before me.

[rscott]

Johnnytheboy said:

zarjaz1991 said:

Yes but reporting a post is trying to censor it.

I more think of it as delegating the decision on whether a post is acceptable to someone else.

Indeed. And if the mod decides it's acceptable, it remains and no-one would even know it has been reported. So no visible sign of an attempt to censor it.

[Gavia]

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

Tom Logan said:

There are some posters who seem to be on some kind of 'faux moral crusade' to try and suppress opinions which don't tally with their own, screaming and stamping their feet like children if the contrary posters aren't sanctioned.

This is real life, sometimes you will read/hear things which you may consider distasteful for whatever reason you choose, get over it, words on a computer screen don't hurt.

I sometimes wonder how some here manage to cope with everyday normal life, it must be hellish getting up in the morning wondering what is going to burst your head open first, will it be white van man? an aggressive cyclist? a PH poster?

I'm going to offer an alternative scenario. Many, supposedly 1/4, but from what I've been educated likely near 1/3 are inflicted with mental health problems/ depression/ anxiety/ etc etc. These individuals shall be riled, upset or stressed far more easily than you. They don't ask for this, their illness dictates it. When you suffer with mental health little things can irrationally become a big deal.

Everyone (and I include myself in this statement, I can slip up) has a responsibility to address others in a decent manner, even if they disagree with them.

Well that’s genius. If you disagree with the offensive views, then you’re mentally ill. That’s possibly stretching it a bit too far.

[zarjaz1991]

rscott said:

Indeed. And if the mod decides it's acceptable, it remains and no-one would even know it has been reported. So no visible sign of an attempt to censor it.

Matters not if the attempted censorship is visible.

If you report a post you're trying to have it deleted, and to one degree or another that is censorship, (or an attempt thereof), there's no other way to describe it.

[Todd Bonzalez]

Offended by "the language of an oaf" and not the deaths of thousands is exactly why there's no point arguing with the faux intellectual, pathetic cretins that spout such drivel. IMHO.

[Funkycoldribena]

Gavia said:

Why is it faux?

Why do you go to the extreme of picturing people stamping and screaming when nothing could be further from reality?

Why do you think they’re some sort of delicate little flower?

You seem to have his view that all the alt-right hardmen in NP&E are hewn from granite and eat nails dipped in Red Bull for breakfast, whereas everyone who disagrees with them is an 8 stone weakling who’s scared of their own shadow. Guess what? Your stereotypes are a long way wide of the mark.

That's how you come across.
It's words at the end of the day,I just can't fathom your sensitivity to them.

[zarjaz1991]

Gavia said:

Well that’s genius. If you disagree with the offensive views, then you’re mentally ill. That’s possibly stretching it a bit too far.

Errrr...that's not even close to what was said.

[zarjaz1991]

Todd Bonzalez said:

Offended by "the language of an oaf" and not the deaths of thousands is exactly why there's no point arguing with the faux intellectual, pathetic cretins that spout such drivel. IMHO.

How do you extrapolate that out of what I said?

No wonder it gets difficult round these parts.

I - and by coincidence someone else at the same time - pointed out that using that language isn't the way to deal with the issue.

Nothing to do with being offended, or not.

I am never offended by opinions. I might find them reprehensible or just distasteful, but that's not the same thing.

[Gavia]

Funkycoldribena said:

Gavia said:

Why is it faux?

Why do you go to the extreme of picturing people stamping and screaming when nothing could be further from reality?

Why do you think they’re some sort of delicate little flower?

You seem to have his view that all the alt-right hardmen in NP&E are hewn from granite and eat nails dipped in Red Bull for breakfast, whereas everyone who disagrees with them is an 8 stone weakling who’s scared of their own shadow. Guess what? Your stereotypes are a long way wide of the mark.

That's how you come across.
It's words at the end of the day,I just can't fathom your sensitivity to them.

When was the last time you posted something that wasn’t about the individual?

I’m not fussed how I come across, it seems to me that my views are shared by the PH mods, as one of them has even shared my reporting history and confirmed the deletion of the comment.

You’re twisting this to suit your agenda. Todd Bonzalez nailed it above with his comment. There is a significant amount of oneupmanship in NP&E where the poster who posts the most outrageous statement is viewed as King for the Day.

You might want to consider a wider outlook on life, rather than the tedious ad hominem approach to all your posts.

[zarjaz1991]

Wow look at me getting sucked into this stuff, I'm supposed to be getting some college work caught up on.

In terms of Haymarket and NP&E etc, whatever happens, happens, it's fine by me. I'm not going to get uptight if something's deemed offensive and gets removed, similarly I'm not going to get upset if people post reprehensible opinions, I'm an adult (in some ways anyway) and can sinply brush it off and move on. The rest of you can get high blood pressure about it if you like, not for me, life's too short.

[anonymous-user]

zarjaz1991 said:

Todd Bonzalez said:

Offended by "the language of an oaf" and not the deaths of thousands is exactly why there's no point arguing with the faux intellectual, pathetic cretins that spout such drivel. IMHO.

How do you extrapolate that out of what I said?

No wonder it gets difficult round these parts.

I - and by coincidence someone else at the same time - pointed out that using that language isn't the way to deal with the issue.

Nothing to do with being offended, or not.

I am never offended by opinions. I might find them reprehensible or just distasteful, but that's the same thing.

It doesn’t matter. We don’t decide what’s offensive or not as far as this forum is concerned.

We’re posting in someone’s business. We have zero say in how the site is run or moderated or what’s acceptable. If we don’t like it all we can do is not join in.

[zarjaz1991]

El stovey said:

It doesn’t matter. We don’t decide what’s offensive or not as far as this forum is concerned.

We’re posting in someone’s business. We have zero say in how the site is run or moderated or what’s acceptable. If we don’t like it all we can do is not join in.

I know. And I have no problem with that at all.

[Gavia]

zarjaz1991 said:

Gavia said:

Well that’s genius. If you disagree with the offensive views, then you’re mentally ill. That’s possibly stretching it a bit too far.

Errrr...that's not even close to what was said.

It’s exactly what was said. I’ve highlighted the last bit in bold as a summary, but the whole post suggests that people who disagree are mentally ill

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

I'm going to offer an alternative scenario. Many, supposedly 1/4, but from what I've been educated likely near 1/3 are inflicted with mental health problems/ depression/ anxiety/ etc etc. These individuals shall be riled, upset or stressed far more easily than you. They don't ask for this, their illness dictates it. When you suffer with mental health little things can irrationally become a big deal.

Everyone (and I include myself in this statement, I can slip up) has a responsibility to address others in a decent manner, even if they disagree with them.

[Funkycoldribena]

Gavia said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Gavia said:

Why is it faux?

Why do you go to the extreme of picturing people stamping and screaming when nothing could be further from reality?

Why do you think they’re some sort of delicate little flower?

You seem to have his view that all the alt-right hardmen in NP&E are hewn from granite and eat nails dipped in Red Bull for breakfast, whereas everyone who disagrees with them is an 8 stone weakling who’s scared of their own shadow. Guess what? Your stereotypes are a long way wide of the mark.

That's how you come across.
It's words at the end of the day,I just can't fathom your sensitivity to them.

When was the last time you posted something that wasn’t about the individual?

I’m not fussed how I come across, it seems to me that my views are shared by the PH mods, as one of them has even shared my reporting history and confirmed the deletion of the comment.

You’re twisting this to suit your agenda. Todd Bonzalez nailed it above with his comment. There is a significant amount of oneupmanship in NP&E where the poster who posts the most outrageous statement is viewed as King for the Day.

You might want to consider a wider outlook on life, rather than the tedious ad hominem approach to all your posts.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=207&t=1702715
Don't tell me ,I'm attacking Ray for his shower screen..

[Wacky Racer]

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

I'm going to offer an alternative scenario. Many, supposedly 1/4, but from what I've been educated likely near 1/3 are inflicted with mental health problems/ depression/ anxiety/ etc etc. These individuals shall be riled, upset or stressed far more easily than you. They don't ask for this, their illness dictates it. When you suffer with mental health little things can irrationally become a big deal.

Everyone (and I include myself in this statement, I can slip up) has a responsibility to address others in a decent manner, even if they disagree with them.

This.

Excellent post.

[Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah]

Gavia said:

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

Tom Logan said:

There are some posters who seem to be on some kind of 'faux moral crusade' to try and suppress opinions which don't tally with their own, screaming and stamping their feet like children if the contrary posters aren't sanctioned.

This is real life, sometimes you will read/hear things which you may consider distasteful for whatever reason you choose, get over it, words on a computer screen don't hurt.

I sometimes wonder how some here manage to cope with everyday normal life, it must be hellish getting up in the morning wondering what is going to burst your head open first, will it be white van man? an aggressive cyclist? a PH poster?

I'm going to offer an alternative scenario. Many, supposedly 1/4, but from what I've been educated likely near 1/3 are inflicted with mental health problems/ depression/ anxiety/ etc etc. These individuals shall be riled, upset or stressed far more easily than you. They don't ask for this, their illness dictates it. When you suffer with mental health little things can irrationally become a big deal.

Everyone (and I include myself in this statement, I can slip up) has a responsibility to address others in a decent manner, even if they disagree with them.

Well that’s genius. If you disagree with the offensive views, then you’re mentally ill. That’s possibly stretching it a bit too far.

Not so, your retort is turning what I said on its head. You don't have to have mental health problems to be upset, but if you have them it potentially adds problems to the mix.