PH lynchings..how to avoid??
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The first reply usually dictates the way the thread will go.
If it's a friendly, sympathetic bit of advice the rest of the replies will usually be the same.
If it's a negative berating of the OP the rest will just be more of the same gradually getting worse as the thread goes on.
Herd mentality really as has been mentioned above.
PH can still be a great place for advice on pretty much any topic, you need to have thick skin though in case it inevitably goes against you.
If it's a friendly, sympathetic bit of advice the rest of the replies will usually be the same.
If it's a negative berating of the OP the rest will just be more of the same gradually getting worse as the thread goes on.
Herd mentality really as has been mentioned above.
PH can still be a great place for advice on pretty much any topic, you need to have thick skin though in case it inevitably goes against you.
A certain chap who likes 2CV's argues a point even when he's proven wrong to the point that it kills the thread.
I often complained and have been told they won't do anything about, whilst I occasionally frequent a heated debate with other members, arguing a point that you have been proven wrong on (see SP&L when Breadvan shows up and constantly corrects other members.. As he is a genuine lawyer) it's a waste of bandwidth.
Life goes on etc....
I often complained and have been told they won't do anything about, whilst I occasionally frequent a heated debate with other members, arguing a point that you have been proven wrong on (see SP&L when Breadvan shows up and constantly corrects other members.. As he is a genuine lawyer) it's a waste of bandwidth.
Life goes on etc....
There are a few aspects that are really killing PH for me. Here are my observations:
Lack of tolerance
I see this time and time again on PH; there seems to be an awful lot of PH’ers who are completely unable (or perhaps, unwilling) to accept the personal choices of others. You’ll often see a post where someone is being derogatory about a given aspect simply because it doesn’t interest the person, or they don’t get it. It’s just plain intolerance and strikes me as being quite prevalent on PH.
An obsession with class and status
What IS it with PH and the obsession with people and things being chav and council? No other forum I spend time on is permeated with this obsession. That there are multiple volumes of the council thread makes that obvious. Sure, some folk will argue that it’s tongue-in-cheek, and that is probably true for a few people, but for many, it’s pretty clear to see that there is quite an element of truth underpinning it all.
Like the descriptive use of “chav” or “council” to describe something that isn’t to one’s personal taste. It’s a ridiculous fashion, imo.
If I say it often enough it will become true – changing the narrative to suit
I first noticed this happening when Chris Harris was active on PH. A cross section of PH’ers decided that anyone expressing positivity about CH was an arse-licker, this then permeated the forums and it became a thing. Even though any element of arse lickery was vanishingly sparse, it still became a thing.
You see this a lot; individuals subtly suggesting a narrative that better suits their position, others of a similar mind will then jump on the bandwagon and away it goes. Hugely frustrating.
Interactions: Face to face versus online
I do my absolute best to ensure that I interact with people online as I would on a face to face basis – it’s something I’m always conscious of. For me, there are a LOT of PH’ers who act a certain way on forums, yet would never say the same stuff on a face to face basis – especially not to strangers. I simply do not believe that so many folk would say half the things they say on here to a stranger’s face.
You’ll often get the reply “it’s only the internet” or “it’s not real life” – bulls
t. It IS real life; it’s simply another medium of communication.
I could go on (and on!) and I do admit that a lot of these observations could be applied to other forums, but of the ones I frequent, PH does seem particularly bad for these aspects.
Lack of tolerance
I see this time and time again on PH; there seems to be an awful lot of PH’ers who are completely unable (or perhaps, unwilling) to accept the personal choices of others. You’ll often see a post where someone is being derogatory about a given aspect simply because it doesn’t interest the person, or they don’t get it. It’s just plain intolerance and strikes me as being quite prevalent on PH.
An obsession with class and status
What IS it with PH and the obsession with people and things being chav and council? No other forum I spend time on is permeated with this obsession. That there are multiple volumes of the council thread makes that obvious. Sure, some folk will argue that it’s tongue-in-cheek, and that is probably true for a few people, but for many, it’s pretty clear to see that there is quite an element of truth underpinning it all.
Like the descriptive use of “chav” or “council” to describe something that isn’t to one’s personal taste. It’s a ridiculous fashion, imo.
If I say it often enough it will become true – changing the narrative to suit
I first noticed this happening when Chris Harris was active on PH. A cross section of PH’ers decided that anyone expressing positivity about CH was an arse-licker, this then permeated the forums and it became a thing. Even though any element of arse lickery was vanishingly sparse, it still became a thing.
You see this a lot; individuals subtly suggesting a narrative that better suits their position, others of a similar mind will then jump on the bandwagon and away it goes. Hugely frustrating.
Interactions: Face to face versus online
I do my absolute best to ensure that I interact with people online as I would on a face to face basis – it’s something I’m always conscious of. For me, there are a LOT of PH’ers who act a certain way on forums, yet would never say the same stuff on a face to face basis – especially not to strangers. I simply do not believe that so many folk would say half the things they say on here to a stranger’s face.
You’ll often get the reply “it’s only the internet” or “it’s not real life” – bulls
t. It IS real life; it’s simply another medium of communication.I could go on (and on!) and I do admit that a lot of these observations could be applied to other forums, but of the ones I frequent, PH does seem particularly bad for these aspects.
R8Steve said:
The first reply usually dictates the way the thread will go..
Very true. That first post or couple of posts sets the tone, allowing those who want to jump all over the OP but daren't show their cards too early to queue up in the background. Once the tone is set, in they come for the kill. Last Visit said:
R8Steve said:
The first reply usually dictates the way the thread will go..
Very true. That first post or couple of posts sets the tone, allowing those who want to jump all over the OP but daren't show their cards too early to queue up in the background. Once the tone is set, in they come for the kill. When the OP seems to prepared to take fair criticism on the chin, the tone can change to be more forgiving and helpful.
4x4Tyke said:
Last Visit said:
R8Steve said:
The first reply usually dictates the way the thread will go..
Very true. That first post or couple of posts sets the tone, allowing those who want to jump all over the OP but daren't show their cards too early to queue up in the background. Once the tone is set, in they come for the kill. When the OP seems to prepared to take fair criticism on the chin, the tone can change to be more forgiving and helpful.
The first responder rips the piss out of it. The waiting horde pile in and have a field day. Come Page 2 someone pops up and compliments the OP on the quality of their engineering, the OP comes back into the discussion and gives more details. The rest of thread then becomes a massive love in.
As one poster said I did not really do a great job of the thread title.My apologies
Still , there seems to be a bit of truth to the notion. I certainly would never suggest such a level of correctness that people can’t have fun with an idiotic post. Some have been brilliant. The real difference is when the attack is designed to personally diminish the OP.
As one US judge said about porn: I can’t really define it but I know it when I see it.
Still , there seems to be a bit of truth to the notion. I certainly would never suggest such a level of correctness that people can’t have fun with an idiotic post. Some have been brilliant. The real difference is when the attack is designed to personally diminish the OP.
As one US judge said about porn: I can’t really define it but I know it when I see it.
Somebody mentioned middle class white men and somebody else mentioned 35 - year old. I’m on my phone so not sure how to quote both however that’s a very interesting point, I used to work in the service industry and the worst customers to have were 35-45 year old middle class men in a group. In my experience, if there is more than 3 middle class men between 35-45, they will take the piss and make you feel uncomfortable. it’s guaranteed! Skin colour doesn’t come into it they could be white black brown pink or purple, as long as there’s more than 3 of them. They have to be middle class as well. It’s just an observation before someone bites my head off, I’ve just noticed a pattern.
As for the OP’s question, I’m not sure, some may have seen the thread of me spinning out on the m25 at 90 asking why when I wasn’t aware of aquaplaning, I did get lynched on there which didn’t get to me as I’d like to say I have thick skin and what I did was pretty stupid, I genuinely didn’t know what happened so I just took it on the chin but what really got to me is one poster actually going through all my replies on forums making fun of what I was saying and mentioning what happened, this man had a link to his business which was an estate agent, a successful middle aged man, replying to my posts on 2 or 3 threads trying to ridicule me! It really did get to me, felt like I was being bullied. I don’t know how you avoid that.
As for the OP’s question, I’m not sure, some may have seen the thread of me spinning out on the m25 at 90 asking why when I wasn’t aware of aquaplaning, I did get lynched on there which didn’t get to me as I’d like to say I have thick skin and what I did was pretty stupid, I genuinely didn’t know what happened so I just took it on the chin but what really got to me is one poster actually going through all my replies on forums making fun of what I was saying and mentioning what happened, this man had a link to his business which was an estate agent, a successful middle aged man, replying to my posts on 2 or 3 threads trying to ridicule me! It really did get to me, felt like I was being bullied. I don’t know how you avoid that.
Chestrockwell said:
but what really got to me is one poster actually going through all my replies on forums making fun of what I was saying and mentioning what happened, this man had a link to his business which was an estate agent, a successful middle aged man, replying to my posts on 2 or 3 threads trying to ridicule me! It really did get to me, felt like I was being bullied. I don’t know how you avoid that.
It might after all say something about what theyre like in real life - but don't necessarily believe their profile, everyone can try to be someone else Google [bot] said:
BenLowden said:
Please have a read of my response on this thread: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I think the simple answer is a lot of this negative content just isn't reported to us, so we're not seeing it. If you feel like you're seeing derogatory replies in the future, then please hit the report button so we can take action against it.
I think the simple answer is a lot of this negative content just isn't reported to us, so we're not seeing it. If you feel like you're seeing derogatory replies in the future, then please hit the report button so we can take action against it.
in the other thread Ben - the PH marketing bloke
BenLowden said:
Sorry to hear that you're not happy with the moderation on PistonHeads. Perhaps it's worth highlighting how we operate. We have over 1.1million members registered on the forums, and average somewhere between 6,000 - 9,000 posts per day.
We have a small team of PistonHeads moderators, with limited resource, that are reactive to the reports that come in from the community. We also have a small but strong team of volunteers, who give up their time to clean up the forums to make them a better place to be.
While some of us are proactive and will moderate as we browse, sadly we just don't have the resource to read everything in the forums. Which is why we are dependent on the community self moderating, and reporting content to us. Without this, we would struggle to moderate at all, yet there is so much that just isn't reported so we never see it.
As I and some of our volunteers have highlighted in other posts, we're clamping down on bad behaviour and have a new ban matrix in place. Whereas some members may have been able to get away with repeated offence before, they won't now. But saying that, we're still dependent on the community reporting content to us to act on. We encourage it, and we're grateful to those that do so. If you think you're seeing inconsistent moderation, then I'd urge you to hit the report button and help us to sort it out.
We have a small team of PistonHeads moderators, with limited resource, that are reactive to the reports that come in from the community. We also have a small but strong team of volunteers, who give up their time to clean up the forums to make them a better place to be.
While some of us are proactive and will moderate as we browse, sadly we just don't have the resource to read everything in the forums. Which is why we are dependent on the community self moderating, and reporting content to us. Without this, we would struggle to moderate at all, yet there is so much that just isn't reported so we never see it.
As I and some of our volunteers have highlighted in other posts, we're clamping down on bad behaviour and have a new ban matrix in place. Whereas some members may have been able to get away with repeated offence before, they won't now. But saying that, we're still dependent on the community reporting content to us to act on. We encourage it, and we're grateful to those that do so. If you think you're seeing inconsistent moderation, then I'd urge you to hit the report button and help us to sort it out.
saaby93 said:
Does that mean we shouldnt be truthful or kind or the thought police will come knocking on the door?
It means that whilst I and many others dislike the bullst arguments that too many threads descend to, do we prefer Glasgow Police style nonsense thought censorship? My money’s on no.Google [bot] said:
saaby93 said:
Does that mean we shouldnt be truthful or kind or the thought police will come knocking on the door?
It means that whilst I and many others dislike the bullst arguments that too many threads descend to, do we prefer Glasgow Police style nonsense thought censorship? My money’s on no.Anyone here from East Germany who'd like to say anything about it?
or who's read George Orwell
or Voltaire
Google [bot] said:
saaby93 said:
Does that mean we shouldnt be truthful or kind or the thought police will come knocking on the door?
It means that whilst I and many others dislike the bullst arguments that too many threads descend to, do we prefer Glasgow Police style nonsense thought censorship? My money’s on no.I like the Reddit system of the ability to up/down vote a post. Like most things, it can be at the mercy of the bandwagon but most of the time, it does work as intended.
Would solve a lot of PH issues, imo.
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