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eldar said:
The Spruce Goose said:
I've seen it with my own eyes. Let's be clear as well I'm not a Trump supporter before the boys step in, but all threads should discuss all points, not just someone posted 20 links a day like a robo news automaton.
As stated other threads end up the same, core crew take over, no new input allowed. A thread should always be more than constant news stories
You have posted, on average, once every 4 hours for the past 14 years, but complain about some else posting too much. Cool.As stated other threads end up the same, core crew take over, no new input allowed. A thread should always be more than constant news stories
Many of the posts in this thread alone are from him too. Almost like an obsession...
eldar said:
You have posted, on average, once every 4 hours for the past 14 years, but complain about some else posting too much. Cool.
yes great analogy, how many links have i posted, which is the point?i don't even go on that thread as the many NPE threads as they all boil down to the same modus operandi, which the point alowing others to contribute instead of the same people, surely that is what the mods are trying to balance?
The Spruce Goose said:
Wayoftheflower said:
And yet, for all the "Seen it with my own eyes" whataboutism
What I've seen multiple posters hounded off the thread for expressing a mild agreement with trump, that isn't a whataboutism that is reality, it just ended up as a massive circle jerk thread hating everything Trump did, that was a fact and reality, nothing to do with woke etc. There is no debate it is just constant how much we hate trump if you don't agree then you are a racist etc, ad nauseam.
The Spruce Goose said:
BadBull said:
Also incorrect.
I've seen it with my own eyes. Let's be clear as well I'm not a Trump supporter before the boys step in, but all threads should discuss all points, not just someone posted 20 links a day like a robo news automaton.As stated other threads end up the same, core crew take over, no new input allowed. A thread should always be more than constant news stories
If someone supports Trump I'd say they have questionable beliefs and morals.
The majority of what Trumpettes posted was lies, racism and right wing propaganda, which is rightly vilified.
Apart from banning bump stops, Trump did nothing good whatsoever and the USA is in an absolute mess because of it.
The thread is mainly Trump detractors because they are decent people who recognise an asshole when they see one. There are fewer Trump supporters because it's hard for them to defend the indefensible.
It's that simple.
Byker made the thread my one stop shop for Trump news and also really opened my eyes to various aspects of US politics (he spends a fair bit of time over there) and I think the ban is ludicrous.
BadBull said:
Trump is a despicable person. I loath him.
If someone supports Trump I'd say they have questionable beliefs and morals.
The majority of what Trumpettes posted was lies, racism and right wing propaganda, which is rightly vilified.
Apart from banning bump stops, Trump did nothing good whatsoever and the USA is in an absolute mess because of it.
The thread is mainly Trump detractors because they are decent people who recognise an asshole when they see one. There are fewer Trump supporters because it's hard for them to defend the indefensible.
It's that simple.
Byker made the thread my one stop shop for Trump news and also really opened my eyes to various aspects of US politics (he spends a fair bit of time over there) and I think the ban is ludicrous.
How you feel about Trump is how I feel about Boris. Yet on here Boris is a king. So it obvious that threads are controlled by who shouts the loudest. By you stating your views you are expecting everyone to automatically agree with them, else they are a trump supporter, which is binary thinking and moronic.If someone supports Trump I'd say they have questionable beliefs and morals.
The majority of what Trumpettes posted was lies, racism and right wing propaganda, which is rightly vilified.
Apart from banning bump stops, Trump did nothing good whatsoever and the USA is in an absolute mess because of it.
The thread is mainly Trump detractors because they are decent people who recognise an asshole when they see one. There are fewer Trump supporters because it's hard for them to defend the indefensible.
It's that simple.
Byker made the thread my one stop shop for Trump news and also really opened my eyes to various aspects of US politics (he spends a fair bit of time over there) and I think the ban is ludicrous.
Which is why NPE ends up banning so many posters, they just shout down those who don't agree.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 20th June 11:00
Question for any of the Mods - is the Byker thing a "done deal" or is the decision to ban him being looked at?
FWIW in relation to other bannings I think it's been a case of "six of one, half of the other" however (IMHO) this case (to be banned without warning just for psoting links to news articles) is beyond ridiculous. I think potentially the poor judgement of one moderator is going to tar all mods with the same brush.
FWIW in relation to other bannings I think it's been a case of "six of one, half of the other" however (IMHO) this case (to be banned without warning just for psoting links to news articles) is beyond ridiculous. I think potentially the poor judgement of one moderator is going to tar all mods with the same brush.
Edited by Countdown on Sunday 20th June 11:05
Stigproducts said:
He pretty much talked to himself in the Donald Trump thread for 4 years at all hours of the day, posting conspiracy theory and "fact" after fact, many of which have subsequently turned out to be a load of old pony. If he had been doing that about Biden of some less despised politician he wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes. Zero credibility as far as I am concerned and the rate of posting was extraordinary- if ever there was a case for suspecting a "Russian bot" it was him.
Here is an example from PH around 2018
Byker - "OMG you guys!!! Did you hear about what Trump said. OMG! and then this other person who hates Trump and doesn't like that he is president said that there is evidence of Trump doing something wrong and within a few days he is going to get arrested and go to jail. LOL; watch this space, you mark my words"
Some time later in the Daily Mail "Stuff people said about Trump turns out to not be true"
PH contributor - "Hey Byker, what you said is not true apparently"
Byker - just ignores them
Certainly some of the things he posted had some merit, but people who dominate and can't act objectively? I think PH is better off without them.
That's my abiding memory just belt fed articles and opinions with almost no debate with a pathological fascination with trump. Here is an example from PH around 2018
Byker - "OMG you guys!!! Did you hear about what Trump said. OMG! and then this other person who hates Trump and doesn't like that he is president said that there is evidence of Trump doing something wrong and within a few days he is going to get arrested and go to jail. LOL; watch this space, you mark my words"
Some time later in the Daily Mail "Stuff people said about Trump turns out to not be true"
PH contributor - "Hey Byker, what you said is not true apparently"
Byker - just ignores them
Certainly some of the things he posted had some merit, but people who dominate and can't act objectively? I think PH is better off without them.
Can't say I feel a big loss.
ChocolateFrog said:
Stigproducts said:
He pretty much talked to himself in the Donald Trump thread for 4 years at all hours of the day, posting conspiracy theory and "fact" after fact, many of which have subsequently turned out to be a load of old pony. If he had been doing that about Biden of some less despised politician he wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes. Zero credibility as far as I am concerned and the rate of posting was extraordinary- if ever there was a case for suspecting a "Russian bot" it was him.
Here is an example from PH around 2018
Byker - "OMG you guys!!! Did you hear about what Trump said. OMG! and then this other person who hates Trump and doesn't like that he is president said that there is evidence of Trump doing something wrong and within a few days he is going to get arrested and go to jail. LOL; watch this space, you mark my words"
Some time later in the Daily Mail "Stuff people said about Trump turns out to not be true"
PH contributor - "Hey Byker, what you said is not true apparently"
Byker - just ignores them
Certainly some of the things he posted had some merit, but people who dominate and can't act objectively? I think PH is better off without them.
That's my abiding memory just belt fed articles and opinions with almost no debate with a pathological fascination with trump. Here is an example from PH around 2018
Byker - "OMG you guys!!! Did you hear about what Trump said. OMG! and then this other person who hates Trump and doesn't like that he is president said that there is evidence of Trump doing something wrong and within a few days he is going to get arrested and go to jail. LOL; watch this space, you mark my words"
Some time later in the Daily Mail "Stuff people said about Trump turns out to not be true"
PH contributor - "Hey Byker, what you said is not true apparently"
Byker - just ignores them
Certainly some of the things he posted had some merit, but people who dominate and can't act objectively? I think PH is better off without them.
Can't say I feel a big loss.
ChocolateFrog said:
That's my abiding memory just belt fed articles and opinions with almost no debate with a pathological fascination with trump.
Can't say I feel a big loss.
Your memory is seriously at fault in that case. Byker's contributions encouraged a huge amount of debate - it's just that the Trumpettes absolutely hated the spotlight it shone on Trump and his disgusting ilk. Can't say I feel a big loss.
The Trump fanciers weren't hounded out of the threads, they simply repeatedly blew themselves out of the water with demonstrably specious arguments, and eventually ran out of crap to post.
The Spruce Goose said:
BadBull said:
Trump is a despicable person. I loath him.
If someone supports Trump I'd say they have questionable beliefs and morals.
The majority of what Trumpettes posted was lies, racism and right wing propaganda, which is rightly vilified.
Apart from banning bump stops, Trump did nothing good whatsoever and the USA is in an absolute mess because of it.
The thread is mainly Trump detractors because they are decent people who recognise an asshole when they see one. There are fewer Trump supporters because it's hard for them to defend the indefensible.
It's that simple.
Byker made the thread my one stop shop for Trump news and also really opened my eyes to various aspects of US politics (he spends a fair bit of time over there) and I think the ban is ludicrous.
How you feel about Trump is how I feel about Boris. Yet on here Boris is a king. So it obvious that threads are controlled by who shouts the loudest. By you stating your views you are expecting everyone to automatically agree with them, else they are a trump supporter, which is binary thinking and moronic.If someone supports Trump I'd say they have questionable beliefs and morals.
The majority of what Trumpettes posted was lies, racism and right wing propaganda, which is rightly vilified.
Apart from banning bump stops, Trump did nothing good whatsoever and the USA is in an absolute mess because of it.
The thread is mainly Trump detractors because they are decent people who recognise an asshole when they see one. There are fewer Trump supporters because it's hard for them to defend the indefensible.
It's that simple.
Byker made the thread my one stop shop for Trump news and also really opened my eyes to various aspects of US politics (he spends a fair bit of time over there) and I think the ban is ludicrous.
Which is why NPE ends up banning so many posters, they just shout down those who don't agree.
Edited by The Spruce Goose on Sunday 20th June 11:00
You haven't spent enough time in the Trump thread to be arbiter of what has happened on there.
People left the Trump thread because they didn't like the truth and could only defend Trumps behaviour and crimes briefly before they ran out of ammo.
Some resorted to lies, racism and linking far right websites and had posts removed.
Trump, as President, is one of the most indefensible people on the planet.
I
ChocolateFrog said:
That's my abiding memory just belt fed articles and opinions with almost no debate with a pathological fascination with trump.
The modern world has not seen a western leader like Trump.A man with no political experience whatsoever was all of a sudden POTUS!
It was unprecedented.
He then turned out to be a million times worse than we feared. He is a man with literally no redeeming features.
It all merits attention.
It shone s light in how divided America still is, economically, morally and racially.
Greatest Democracy on Earth™ my ass.
PH4555 said:
PH rules said:
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PH rules said:
Can I complain about forum moderation?
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/discussion.Our moderators work to a strict set of guidelines and it's their interest to help keep PH a welcoming and informative forum. Their decision is final and we do not respond to requests to investigate individual cases.
BadBull said:
grumbledoak said:
Are we sure he is gone? This thread is exactly like the Orange Man Bad thread. 
grumbledoak said:
Are we sure he is gone? This thread is exactly like the Orange Man Bad thread.
A case in point of the standard of Trump defenders posts.Orange man bad
No one was hounded out the Trump thread. It was merely ‘put up or shut up’. Trumpettes would arrive and try and defend their position and when asked to back that up wouldn’t or couldn’t or in the style of one older poster - ‘“I’m not here to do your research for you.”.
There was a poster from the US who did try to explain why he was going to vote for Trump and he was met with politeness and given the space to explain and was thanked for doing so. Unfortunately, he was a rare occurrence.
Like others I used Byker’s posts as a springboard to do my own further reading and reading his posts on the morning train into work came to be a bit of a habit. NP&E can be a cesspit in normal times, mods behaviour yesterday has only exacerbated that and speeded up the decline in standards in there.
I like Byker and he shouldn't have been banned for what were tenuous reasons. However the Trump thread had just turned into a weird personal wiki for him to copy-paste any anti-Trump stuff he found on the web. I don't know what exactly it had become, but it wasn't a discussion thread.
If PH decided they didn't want that sort of thing then a note on the thread and closure would be better than straight banning him, surely.
If PH decided they didn't want that sort of thing then a note on the thread and closure would be better than straight banning him, surely.
Stigproducts said:
He pretty much talked to himself in the Donald Trump thread for 4 years at all hours of the day, posting conspiracy theory and "fact" after fact, many of which have subsequently turned out to be a load of old pony. If he had been doing that about Biden of some less despised politician he wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes. Zero credibility as far as I am concerned and the rate of posting was extraordinary- if ever there was a case for suspecting a "Russian bot" it was him.
Here is an example from PH around 2018
Byker - "OMG you guys!!! Did you hear about what Trump said. OMG! and then this other person who hates Trump and doesn't like that he is president said that there is evidence of Trump doing something wrong and within a few days he is going to get arrested and go to jail. LOL; watch this space, you mark my words"
Some time later in the Daily Mail "Stuff people said about Trump turns out to not be true"
PH contributor - "Hey Byker, what you said is not true apparently"
Byker - just ignores them
Certainly some of the things he posted had some merit, but people who dominate and can't act objectively? I think PH is better off without them.
Are you able to actually post a link to your "example", or is it just a figment of your imagination?Here is an example from PH around 2018
Byker - "OMG you guys!!! Did you hear about what Trump said. OMG! and then this other person who hates Trump and doesn't like that he is president said that there is evidence of Trump doing something wrong and within a few days he is going to get arrested and go to jail. LOL; watch this space, you mark my words"
Some time later in the Daily Mail "Stuff people said about Trump turns out to not be true"
PH contributor - "Hey Byker, what you said is not true apparently"
Byker - just ignores them
Certainly some of the things he posted had some merit, but people who dominate and can't act objectively? I think PH is better off without them.
And as for "I think PH is better off without them." - isn't that what's called "cancel culture"?
The Spruce Goose said:
yes great analogy, how many links have i posted, which is the point?
i don't even go on that thread as the many NPE threads as they all boil down to the same modus operandi, which the point alowing others to contribute instead of the same people, surely that is what the mods are trying to balance?
I find it odd that people who profess to have no interest a thread seem to be very keen to a)keep aware of it and b)control it.i don't even go on that thread as the many NPE threads as they all boil down to the same modus operandi, which the point alowing others to contribute instead of the same people, surely that is what the mods are trying to balance?
Bottom line is an interesting thread, principally reporting a US view of Trump and the associated law suits. Normally very well behaved by NPE standards.
Racist and sexist drivel is happily permitted as banter. Reporting criticism of Trump banned on extremely dubious and hypocritical grounds. OK.
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