News, Politics & Economic forum rule review
Discussion
Ben Lowden said:
Thank you for raising. We've seen a reduction in moderation reports and banned members returning, so it seems positive so far.
Couldn't that equally be down to people on NPE using scripts to ignore posts from people they don't agree with (which kind of defeats being on the forum, but hey ho)?The 1,000 post rule is daft. Completely arbitrary, too high, and is probably preventing decent contributions being made.
Don't understand why abusive posters or posts can't just be suspended/banned/removed. Blanket rules rarely work. Even the posters with 30k+ posts and 220+ months of membership were new once, remember.
Don't understand why abusive posters or posts can't just be suspended/banned/removed. Blanket rules rarely work. Even the posters with 30k+ posts and 220+ months of membership were new once, remember.
rigga said:
They were banned, but just kept on registering new accounts, under another name, and carried on as before.
Hence why the time and post limit was introduced.
Keep banning the new accounts, then? You don't need evidence of 1,000 posts to know if someone's a genuine poster or a wind-up merchant.Hence why the time and post limit was introduced.
Fusion777 said:
Keep banning the new accounts, then? You don't need evidence of 1,000 posts to know if someone's a genuine poster or a wind-up merchant.
PH got fed up with playing Whack-A-Mole over it. They obviously did the sums and cost-benefit and decided this was the way forward. I agree that the current rule is rather a blunt instrument and that genuine posters have got caught in the same net. It's unfortunate, for sure.
But at the end of the day, this is a free service and we have to play by their rules.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Fusion777 said:
Keep banning the new accounts, then? You don't need evidence of 1,000 posts to know if someone's a genuine poster or a wind-up merchant.
PH got fed up with playing Whack-A-Mole over it. They obviously did the sums and cost-benefit and decided this was the way forward. I agree that the current rule is rather a blunt instrument and that genuine posters have got caught in the same net. It's unfortunate, for sure.
But at the end of the day, this is a free service and we have to play by their rules.
The fact Ben engages on here and listens is encouraging,
Byker28i said:
In the old days they'd do an ip check and spot the duplicate users/returned bannee's. Trouble is those getting banned would just fire up multiple new accounts with occaisional posts using VPN's before they'd start again.
Yup. VPNs make it ridiculously easy to spoof IP addresses. Hell, you don't even need a VPN just the Brave browser operating in Tor mode. So, as I said, it just became Whack-A-Mole for PH as it became literally impossible to identify banned people who were returning as "new" users.
robseagul said:
Afternoon boys.
I have been a member for almost twenty years and have fallen fowl of of the 1000 post rule…
Sorry it’s horse s
t !
It's sad that a few long-timers are impacted by this. And it's a blunt instrument for sure. But the quality of NP&E has without doubt increased immensely since the new rules were put in place.I have been a member for almost twenty years and have fallen fowl of of the 1000 post rule…
Sorry it’s horse s
t !And, to be entirely candid, people with 300 posts in 15 years can't really claim that they are an integral contributor and shaper of the rich tapestry of PH. So whilst it is unfortunate that some are unfairly caught up, as an actual issue to PH it's not a big one.
deckster said:
robseagul said:
Afternoon boys.
I have been a member for almost twenty years and have fallen fowl of of the 1000 post rule…
Sorry it’s horse st !
It's sad that a few long-timers are impacted by this. And it's a blunt instrument for sure. But the quality of NP&E has without doubt increased immensely since the new rules were put in place.I have been a member for almost twenty years and have fallen fowl of of the 1000 post rule…
Sorry it’s horse s
t !And, to be entirely candid, people with 300 posts in 15 years can't really claim that they are an integral contributor and shaper of the rich tapestry of PH. So whilst it is unfortunate that some are unfairly caught up, as an actual issue to PH it's not a big one.
saaby93 said:
Perhaps the rule should be to include that if youve been a member of more than say 6 months you can also post
The issue with that is that those with a tendency to be banned are entirely capable of creating sleeper accounts ahead of time and then switching over when they get banned again. Another possibility would be to have granted grandfather rights to those who were already long-time members when the rule was introduced.But I strongly suspect that the number of members who both are impacted and actually care is small enough that the overall effort was considered not worth the effort.
Why not make it 1000 posts OR 'x' years of membership? That would solve blocking the new accounts signing up to troll and allow legacy users who don't post much to still contribute when they want to. In fact I'd go as far as to say those who've been members longer are probably the ones you WANT to be allowed to post. Sure there'll always be a few lurkers who've never signed up but at least it would go some way to solving the issue with folks who've been here a decade but have had their posting ability in that forum taken away.
Quantity of posts ≠ quality of posts.
Quantity of posts ≠ quality of posts.
Funk said:
Why not make it 1000 posts OR 'x' years of membership?
I think deckster addressed this very well. Possibly the only solution that might have worked is grandfathered rights on the assumption that previously-banned people will only have a finite number of pre-created sleeper accounts.
For example, some of us oldies have grandfathered rights for free listings in the Classifieds when selling a car.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Tuesday 12th July 11:13
deckster said:
It's sad that a few long-timers are impacted by this. And it's a blunt instrument for sure. But the quality of NP&E has without doubt increased immensely since the new rules were put in place.
And, to be entirely candid, people with 300 posts in 15 years can't really claim that they are an integral contributor and shaper of the rich tapestry of PH. So whilst it is unfortunate that some are unfairly caught up, as an actual issue to PH it's not a big one.
Certain threads have, some (Ukraine thread a prime example) are far worse. And, to be entirely candid, people with 300 posts in 15 years can't really claim that they are an integral contributor and shaper of the rich tapestry of PH. So whilst it is unfortunate that some are unfairly caught up, as an actual issue to PH it's not a big one.
Good evening gents.
No I get the point that I may not be the most vocal however during all that time I have been here reading the content and been subject to the advertisements ect.
It’s impossible to gauge the impact however let’s say I support Tranmere rovers but rarely visit the ground.
Am I any less of a supporter??
It’s a poor move and I only noticed as I was about to post !
Still that’s two more right and at this rate in a year or so I will be able to post on a forms I have been for twenty year!!!
No I get the point that I may not be the most vocal however during all that time I have been here reading the content and been subject to the advertisements ect.
It’s impossible to gauge the impact however let’s say I support Tranmere rovers but rarely visit the ground.
Am I any less of a supporter??
It’s a poor move and I only noticed as I was about to post !
Still that’s two more right and at this rate in a year or so I will be able to post on a forms I have been for twenty year!!!
robseagul said:
Good evening gents.
No I get the point that I may not be the most vocal however during all that time I have been here reading the content and been subject to the advertisements ect.
It’s impossible to gauge the impact however let’s say I support Tranmere rovers but rarely visit the ground.
Am I any less of a supporter??
It’s a poor move and I only noticed as I was about to post !
Still that’s two more right and at this rate in a year or so I will be able to post on a forms I have been for twenty year!!!
What about a nomination process No I get the point that I may not be the most vocal however during all that time I have been here reading the content and been subject to the advertisements ect.
It’s impossible to gauge the impact however let’s say I support Tranmere rovers but rarely visit the ground.
Am I any less of a supporter??
It’s a poor move and I only noticed as I was about to post !
Still that’s two more right and at this rate in a year or so I will be able to post on a forms I have been for twenty year!!!
robseagul seems a frightfully good egg and should be able to post?
Thank you for the feedback however we won't be changing the rules applied. The reason for the change is covered below and in this thread here, so there's no need to keep other threads running on this.
Ben Lowden said:
Thank you for all of the feedback on this thread however it has now served it's purpose and it's time to bring it to a close.
To clarify a couple of points – we won't be whitelisting certain members and we won't be changing the criteria anytime soon. We'll continue to review behaviour and if it's deemed that we need to roll this out further to other non-motoring forums, then we may do so.
We appreciate that some people are frustrated by this change but to re-iterate my initial post, PistonHeads is first and foremost a motoring community. Our non-motoring forums were set up for people that came to PH primarily for their love of cars to chat about other things occasionally – not for people that have absolutely no interest in motoring which we've seen all too often in NP&E.
Those that seem to be most frustrated by this change post primarily in NP&E, and that's not what PH is about. There are many other websites focused on news and politics where you'll be better served.
Thank you to those that support the decision and will continue to be welcome members of PH.
To clarify a couple of points – we won't be whitelisting certain members and we won't be changing the criteria anytime soon. We'll continue to review behaviour and if it's deemed that we need to roll this out further to other non-motoring forums, then we may do so.
We appreciate that some people are frustrated by this change but to re-iterate my initial post, PistonHeads is first and foremost a motoring community. Our non-motoring forums were set up for people that came to PH primarily for their love of cars to chat about other things occasionally – not for people that have absolutely no interest in motoring which we've seen all too often in NP&E.
Those that seem to be most frustrated by this change post primarily in NP&E, and that's not what PH is about. There are many other websites focused on news and politics where you'll be better served.
Thank you to those that support the decision and will continue to be welcome members of PH.
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