Why are there so many Aventadors for sale ?
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Lambo sold a lot of Aventador's, too many variants of the same model, at the end of it's life cycle and very expensive to maintain after warranty is done. Also, the single clutch isn't as forgiven as the dual clutch, the worst thing you can do is doing laps around Harrods and sitting in stop and go traffic. It's not a daily driver like the Huracan but most owners treat it like it is.
The other issue is earlier cars including some 2013's (which is why they're the cheapest on the market) had electrical gremlins because there's a lot of modules that can go bad. My 2013 had it's entire wire harness and main module replaced twice because the car would periodically shut off and MMI wouldn't work most of the times. The issues were never resolved but thankfully it was covered under warranty and I traded it in after the warranty was done. I do however feel for the poor sap who got my car without warranty.
Despite the massive depreciation hit and a very dated transmission I love the Aventador and V12 and in my opinion it's still a better car to own compared to the Murci.
The other issue is earlier cars including some 2013's (which is why they're the cheapest on the market) had electrical gremlins because there's a lot of modules that can go bad. My 2013 had it's entire wire harness and main module replaced twice because the car would periodically shut off and MMI wouldn't work most of the times. The issues were never resolved but thankfully it was covered under warranty and I traded it in after the warranty was done. I do however feel for the poor sap who got my car without warranty.
Despite the massive depreciation hit and a very dated transmission I love the Aventador and V12 and in my opinion it's still a better car to own compared to the Murci.
ChocolateFrog said:
I think more than any other supercar the Aventador epitomises the vacuous London Youtuber or Bradford wedding rental.
If you say Aventador that's the first thing that pops into my head, which is sad. I very rarely visit london but the last time I did, about 2 months ago some moron was holding one on the limiter in stationary traffic on The Mall, even as massive car guy I wanted to strangle the f
ker.
They'll probably rebound but give me a manual LP640 any day of the week over any Aventador. Infact I'd take almost any Lambo over an Aventador, apart from maybe Clarkson's Merak SS.
i was agreeing with your every word until you confused maserati with lamborghini !If you say Aventador that's the first thing that pops into my head, which is sad. I very rarely visit london but the last time I did, about 2 months ago some moron was holding one on the limiter in stationary traffic on The Mall, even as massive car guy I wanted to strangle the f
ker. They'll probably rebound but give me a manual LP640 any day of the week over any Aventador. Infact I'd take almost any Lambo over an Aventador, apart from maybe Clarkson's Merak SS.
andrew said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I think more than any other supercar the Aventador epitomises the vacuous London Youtuber or Bradford wedding rental.
If you say Aventador that's the first thing that pops into my head, which is sad. I very rarely visit london but the last time I did, about 2 months ago some moron was holding one on the limiter in stationary traffic on The Mall, even as massive car guy I wanted to strangle the fker.
They'll probably rebound but give me a manual LP640 any day of the week over any Aventador. Infact I'd take almost any Lambo over an Aventador, apart from maybe Clarkson's Merak SS.
i was agreeing with your every word until you confused maserati with lamborghini !If you say Aventador that's the first thing that pops into my head, which is sad. I very rarely visit london but the last time I did, about 2 months ago some moron was holding one on the limiter in stationary traffic on The Mall, even as massive car guy I wanted to strangle the f
ker. They'll probably rebound but give me a manual LP640 any day of the week over any Aventador. Infact I'd take almost any Lambo over an Aventador, apart from maybe Clarkson's Merak SS.
I think if I were to ever go for a V12, it would be either a LP640 Murci or perhaps even a Diablo SV. There is a sweet DSV for sale right now at seemingly amazing money over at Furlonger, which it has to be said i keep going back to. However, I really cannot bring myself to part with my current SL2.
For me it is so interesting to watch what is happening in the market today. When I bought my SL2 back in 2016, it was a keeper. So market value for me is pretty irrelevant (insurance is agreed value based on what I paid for it) but all of these cars seem to be having a bit of a tough time with many being for sale for very extended times these days. I guess sellers cannot bring themselves to accept yet that prices have to drop probably by up to 20% on those currently for sale to start shifting, but the market does seem to be pinched generally in this sector for general stock.
Shall we blame Brexit?
For me it is so interesting to watch what is happening in the market today. When I bought my SL2 back in 2016, it was a keeper. So market value for me is pretty irrelevant (insurance is agreed value based on what I paid for it) but all of these cars seem to be having a bit of a tough time with many being for sale for very extended times these days. I guess sellers cannot bring themselves to accept yet that prices have to drop probably by up to 20% on those currently for sale to start shifting, but the market does seem to be pinched generally in this sector for general stock.
Shall we blame Brexit?
carspath said:
SVJ BALBONI .... please could you elaborate on why you feel that the Aventador is ‘’ a better car to own compared to a Murcie ‘’
In terms of a daily use, ease of driving and to cruise around in the Aventador is better, the Murci on the other hand is more of a weekend cruise for the open roads. Maintenance on the Murci is expensive but if it's strictly used as a weekend car than it shouldn't be too bad. Between the two I would say if you want the best sounding and rawest V12 experience than the Murci is the way to go. I will at some point get a Murci SV but unfortunately at the moment I'm not in a financial position to own a SVJ and a Murci SV.
Gameface said:
I own an Aventador.
People lose their st when they see it.
No-one gives a fk about 911's. No comparison. Then or now.
A V12 Lamborghini flagship's "market status" was not, is not and never will be comparable to that of a 911.
I really don’t mean this in any way to be a slight on Aventadors.People lose their s
t when they see it. No-one gives a f
k about 911's. No comparison. Then or now.A V12 Lamborghini flagship's "market status" was not, is not and never will be comparable to that of a 911.
It’s purely an observation that 911s used to be more exotic than they are now, and so did Lambos - so did all the big brands really.
Naturally this is because of increased commercialisation, increased usability, expanded production numbers, and being easier to finance.
Granted the Aventador in 2019 is still more unusual than the 911 was in 1995, but the trend for all these things is more mass market.
At some point I anticipate that the Lambos and Ferraris will become very common sights.
SVJ BALBONI ....... it would be great if you could give us your first hand owner experience of :
1) maintenance costs
2) reliability issues
FOR
A) Your SVJ
B) The other Aventador variants that you presumably would have looked at prior to committing to the most expensive variant
Also to take on a completely different , but related topic :
Are these ‘’ ULTIMATE ‘’ versions of the same model actually worth the grossly inflated prices that the command compared to the base versions ?
OR are we being taken for a very , very ,long ride by the Manufacturer’s PR Dept , and by the Motoring Press , whose journalists have to earn their daily crust on a regular and continuous basis ?
Is the Countach QV really that much better ?
Is the Murcie SV really that much better than the base version that the Motoring press raved about on its release in 2001 ?
Ditto the Diablo and the Aventador
Because , if you look at the underlying mechanics of these variants , they are pretty much the same with relatively minor tweaks .
Do you really think that a 80 Kg difference makes any difference in a ROAD CAR , which itself weighs about 1600-1800 Kg ?
(You can get yourself a very nice genuinely lightweight track car for £15 K )
The base cars will do 95% of what the ultimate cars will do for a fraction of the price ( bragging rights excepted ) .... the mechanical specification dictates that this is the case
I think that we are being taken for fools ( PR and Press ) with these variants !!
On reflection , this second point probably deserves a thread of its own
1) maintenance costs
2) reliability issues
FOR
A) Your SVJ
B) The other Aventador variants that you presumably would have looked at prior to committing to the most expensive variant
Also to take on a completely different , but related topic :
Are these ‘’ ULTIMATE ‘’ versions of the same model actually worth the grossly inflated prices that the command compared to the base versions ?
OR are we being taken for a very , very ,long ride by the Manufacturer’s PR Dept , and by the Motoring Press , whose journalists have to earn their daily crust on a regular and continuous basis ?
Is the Countach QV really that much better ?
Is the Murcie SV really that much better than the base version that the Motoring press raved about on its release in 2001 ?
Ditto the Diablo and the Aventador
Because , if you look at the underlying mechanics of these variants , they are pretty much the same with relatively minor tweaks .
Do you really think that a 80 Kg difference makes any difference in a ROAD CAR , which itself weighs about 1600-1800 Kg ?
(You can get yourself a very nice genuinely lightweight track car for £15 K )
The base cars will do 95% of what the ultimate cars will do for a fraction of the price ( bragging rights excepted ) .... the mechanical specification dictates that this is the case
I think that we are being taken for fools ( PR and Press ) with these variants !!
On reflection , this second point probably deserves a thread of its own
Edited by carspath on Wednesday 11th December 06:30
SVJBalboni said:
... Maintenance on the Murci is expensive but if it's strictly used as a weekend car than it shouldn't be too bad. Between the two I would say if you want the best sounding and rawest V12 experience than the Murci is the way to go.
...
Not sure that Murci maintenance is more expensive.... for e.g. spark plugs on an Aventador are approx £900 a set and are available from Lambo only....
They are completely different cars IMO, Huracan has a much more nimble chassis and completely different engine characteristics.
The Aventador has an old school charm that no other modern car has today. Personally I think the addition of 4WS on the S made the Aventador an infinitely improved car, much easier to place on a tighter road and still brutish but allowed much more playfulness. You still have to be very respectful, particularly on cold tyres or a tricky surface. An Aventador will take 10-15 miles just to wake up. A Huracan you jump in and go.
Every drive I've had in an Aventador remains fresh in the memory, even more so the S as it was so improved, I actually prefer it to the SV which I felt was overrated. Other supercars tend to be all of a muchness today.
I like Huracans and the V10 is a jewel but for sense of occasion nothing beats the Aventador.
The Aventador has an old school charm that no other modern car has today. Personally I think the addition of 4WS on the S made the Aventador an infinitely improved car, much easier to place on a tighter road and still brutish but allowed much more playfulness. You still have to be very respectful, particularly on cold tyres or a tricky surface. An Aventador will take 10-15 miles just to wake up. A Huracan you jump in and go.
Every drive I've had in an Aventador remains fresh in the memory, even more so the S as it was so improved, I actually prefer it to the SV which I felt was overrated. Other supercars tend to be all of a muchness today.
I like Huracans and the V10 is a jewel but for sense of occasion nothing beats the Aventador.
cgt2 - 2 things that I really like about the Aventador's appearance are its central console (unequalled beauty ) , and those ginormous side vents ( drama ++ --- the KTM X-BOW has very very similar vents )
Juno - totally agree with you re the costs of the specials -- hence starting the PH thread titled '' Supercars.. Base vs Ultimate variants .... Really ? ''
And the base Aventadors are another 100k cheaper .
Juno - totally agree with you re the costs of the specials -- hence starting the PH thread titled '' Supercars.. Base vs Ultimate variants .... Really ? ''
And the base Aventadors are another 100k cheaper .
Juno said:
SV's now in the 260k mark and SVJ's at100k more,I just cant see the extra 100k plus in the SVJ
SVJ is a mad looking thing but so is the SV
I agree. SVJ is a mad looking thing but so is the SV
No one ever expected SV's to drop in value so that's why I'm expecting to take massive hit on my SVJ.
The way Lamborghini and dealers marketed the SVJ and had customers believe they were buying something truly special has pissed off a lot of loyal Lambo customers. The fact that no main dealer is willing to take in a SVJ even on trade speaks volumes.
Aventadors will continue to drop, there's just too many A's out there and once the replacement is announced you'll see the floodgates open. The other thing is the original Aventador came out in 2011 so we're closing in on a decades old car and tech.
SVJBalboni said:
The way Lamborghini and dealers marketed the SVJ and had customers believe they were buying something truly special has pissed off a lot of loyal Lambo customers. The fact that no main dealer is willing to take in a SVJ even on trade speaks volumes.
it's 40 seconds faster around the ring than a standard lp-700, it's pretty special imoSVJBalboni said:
Juno said:
SV's now in the 260k mark and SVJ's at100k more,I just cant see the extra 100k plus in the SVJ
SVJ is a mad looking thing but so is the SV
I agree. SVJ is a mad looking thing but so is the SV
No one ever expected SV's to drop in value so that's why I'm expecting to take massive hit on my SVJ.
The way Lamborghini and dealers marketed the SVJ and had customers believe they were buying something truly special has pissed off a lot of loyal Lambo customers. The fact that no main dealer is willing to take in a SVJ even on trade speaks volumes.
Aventadors will continue to drop, there's just too many A's out there and once the replacement is announced you'll see the floodgates open. The other thing is the original Aventador came out in 2011 so we're closing in on a decades old car and tech.
Juno said:
I was in a dealer the other day and they had an SVJ on SOR, I guess the dealers are not brave enough to stomach the potential loss if if ends up with them in stock for several months.Crazy looking thing though and loved the interior!
There's a market intro White coupe that's been listed for a while now. I know the owner from a couple drives he attended with us last summer. He's been very vocal on his IG account about the way he was treated by his main dealer when it came to assisting him trying to sell his SVJ. SVJBalboni said:
Juno said:
I was in a dealer the other day and they had an SVJ on SOR, I guess the dealers are not brave enough to stomach the potential loss if if ends up with them in stock for several months.Crazy looking thing though and loved the interior!
There's a market intro White coupe that's been listed for a while now. I know the owner from a couple drives he attended with us last summer. He's been very vocal on his IG account about the way he was treated by his main dealer when it came to assisting him trying to sell his SVJ. I think they are asking £380 ish,id personally be going 260k for the SV and probably see the SVJ worth 40k more than an SV so it looks like the SV route would win unless someone wanted to take a very cold bath on an SVJ
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