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ZeroShift said:
Dinkel/Toppstuff:
I am looking for colour pics of the Marzal and the Bertone Pirana as they were in the 60s. All my reference stuff is black and white.
That concours pic of the Marzal in white may well be the original colour (would like to know interior colour)
Can you help??
P.
Sure.
Marzal in color pic.
www.lambocars.com/others/marzals.htm
www.lambocars.com/framed/others/marzali.htm
www.globalcar.com/datasheet/Lamborghini/1967LamborghiniMarzal.htm
www.timpelen.com/?car=marzal
It was a prototype, so there may be just one . . . I had a purple Matchbox.
Bertone Pirana became the Espada . . .
Mmmh, it's a new edged Ford . . . Zero, you want one?
www.maserati-indy.co.uk/alfieri70.htm
That's an interesting piece of in and out.
www.maserati-indy.co.uk/alfieri70.htm
That's an interesting piece of in and out.
ZeroShift said:
Dinkel.
What the hell is that V12 from???? Wild air intake!
It's a 5000GT going really wild . . . I count 8 intake-pipes: it's a souped up v8 . . . I guess from the 5000GT.
This Tipo 33 Stradale is the street version of the Tipo 33 racing car. The engine of the car was ahead of its time, producing 115 hp/liter. Only 18 were ever produced.
1261 lbs, Mid-Engine/RWD, 6-Speed Manual
1995 cc V8, 230 bhp @ 8800 rpm, 148 lb-ft @ 7000 rpm, 0-60 mph: 5.5 sec, 174 mph
I want one!
>> Edited by dinkel on Tuesday 17th August 20:12
Isdera links
www.supercars.de/singlecar/67/159.html
www.supercars.net/cars/1984@$Isdera@$Imperator%20108ig.html
And lots more . . with all the same pics.
ISDERA commendatore 112i
ISDERA spyder 033-16
If you want one
www.leonberg.com/isdera/isdera_Kontakt.html
OSCA Dromos
>> Edited by dinkel on Wednesday 18th August 08:44
www.supercars.de/singlecar/67/159.html
www.supercars.net/cars/1984@$Isdera@$Imperator%20108ig.html
And lots more . . with all the same pics.
ISDERA commendatore 112i
ISDERA spyder 033-16
If you want one
www.leonberg.com/isdera/isdera_Kontakt.html
OSCA Dromos
>> Edited by dinkel on Wednesday 18th August 08:44
1959 ABARTH 750 Zagato Double Bubble
11/09/2004 - 12/09/2004
Shell Historic Ferrari Maserati Challenge Festival Donington Park, Leics
Sixth running of this event celebrating Italian racing exotica. Organized by the VSCC. Tel: +44 (0) 1608 644777. Web: www.vscc.co.uk
03/10/2004 Brooklands Autumn Italian Car Day Weybridge, Surrey
Italian cars in action on the Test Hill and banking, plus static displays. Tel: +44 (0) 1707 273999. Web: www.brooklandsmuseum.com
AUGUST 12th to 15th - Monterey, California - Maserati Days 2004 - Come join Maserati Club International members in celebrating Maserati Days. The grand event is hosted by MCI Northern California Region.
SEPTEMBER 5th - Pier 62/63 Seattle, Washington - The Italian Concours d' Elegance - All Italian Marques - There are classes for Motorcycles, Scooters, and Bicycles as well. Club participation is strongly encouraged. Entry forms and details can be found at
www.Italianconcours.org.
SEPTEMBER 11th - Cross Timbers Winery in Grapevine, Texas, near Dallas - ItalianCarFest - A national show highlighting the absolute best of Italian cars, cycles and scooters displayed on manicured lawn. In addition, the property includes a Texas-size two-story air-conditioned facility with the first floor containing an area for hospitality and sponsor vendor tables and the second floor containing a private lounge area where complimentary wine, soft drinks and snacks will be served to show participants. Advance registration only. Organized by: Fiat Club of North Texas, the largest and most active Fiat club in North Texas. For spectators: This show is free to the public. For those wishing to fly in for the show, the venue is only a 15 minute ride from DFW Airport. Don't forget your camera! Go to www.italiancarfest.com or e-mail italiancarfest@yahoo.com.
OCTOBER 22nd-24th - Prescott, Arizona - The Histo Rallye Arizona 500 - The Histo Rallye Arizona 500 is a true, European style, driver challenge. If you are looking to challenge your driving abilities and your driving endurance, this rallye is seeking to do just that. The Rallye Arizona 500 will test drivers, cars and their co-pilots, in true European rallye format, on 400 miles through spectacular Arizona landscapes. Starting at 8.oo am in Prescott the rallye will take the teams on winding roads, over hills, through some cities, over some Highways and on some local roads, maybe sunshine, maybe rain or on the mountains even snow until the driver and his co-pilot have covered those 400 miles following their Road Book. Finish will be from 5.3o pm onwards in Prescott, so even some night driving might encountered onto the finish line. The driving teams will have to follow exact directions, check-in on time at the various check points along the route and time their distances to avoid penalty points. Check points will be published in the Road Book, but not all.
GTS gran turismo sports is organizing this rallye. The owner, Stefan Schleissing, has participated at numerous European historic events including the Rallye Histo Monte and upon moving to the United States, found that he could not find a true challenging vintage car rallye. "I like to be challenged in a rallye, not to just touring"
The Histo Rallye Arizona 500 is for pre-1974 cars only and limited to the first 99 entries. The cost is only $ 895 per team ( $ 835 before July 15th), and includes entry fees, 2 night accommodations (double occupancy) , pre- rallye briefing, Road Book , rallye memorabilia, rallye plaques for the car, lunch dinner and trophies. To secure your entry, a deposit of $ 350,- is required, Final payment will be due August 31,2004. To receive your entry form, please contact GTS today.
Contact:
Stefan Schleissing
GTS gran turismo sports
1890 Woodhaven Dr
Henderson, NV 89074
tel : 702 353 7175
fax: 702 458 0067
email: GTSinLV@aol.com
August
Summer Alfa Day (formerly Northern Alfa Day)
Lotherton Hall, near Leeds, Sunday 15th
More information from Colin Metcalfe : colin@alfamet.fsnet.co.uk
GIULIETTA REGISTER LATE SUMMER GATHERING
Oulton Park Gold Cup, Oulton Park, Cheshire, August Bank Holiday: Sun 29th - Mon 30th.
Last year's gathering there was a great success - this year we plan to do the same with a bit of camping thrown in...
There's loads . . . See you
>> Edited by dinkel on Wednesday 18th August 15:38
11/09/2004 - 12/09/2004
Shell Historic Ferrari Maserati Challenge Festival Donington Park, Leics
Sixth running of this event celebrating Italian racing exotica. Organized by the VSCC. Tel: +44 (0) 1608 644777. Web: www.vscc.co.uk
03/10/2004 Brooklands Autumn Italian Car Day Weybridge, Surrey
Italian cars in action on the Test Hill and banking, plus static displays. Tel: +44 (0) 1707 273999. Web: www.brooklandsmuseum.com
AUGUST 12th to 15th - Monterey, California - Maserati Days 2004 - Come join Maserati Club International members in celebrating Maserati Days. The grand event is hosted by MCI Northern California Region.
SEPTEMBER 5th - Pier 62/63 Seattle, Washington - The Italian Concours d' Elegance - All Italian Marques - There are classes for Motorcycles, Scooters, and Bicycles as well. Club participation is strongly encouraged. Entry forms and details can be found at
www.Italianconcours.org. SEPTEMBER 11th - Cross Timbers Winery in Grapevine, Texas, near Dallas - ItalianCarFest - A national show highlighting the absolute best of Italian cars, cycles and scooters displayed on manicured lawn. In addition, the property includes a Texas-size two-story air-conditioned facility with the first floor containing an area for hospitality and sponsor vendor tables and the second floor containing a private lounge area where complimentary wine, soft drinks and snacks will be served to show participants. Advance registration only. Organized by: Fiat Club of North Texas, the largest and most active Fiat club in North Texas. For spectators: This show is free to the public. For those wishing to fly in for the show, the venue is only a 15 minute ride from DFW Airport. Don't forget your camera! Go to www.italiancarfest.com or e-mail italiancarfest@yahoo.com.
OCTOBER 22nd-24th - Prescott, Arizona - The Histo Rallye Arizona 500 - The Histo Rallye Arizona 500 is a true, European style, driver challenge. If you are looking to challenge your driving abilities and your driving endurance, this rallye is seeking to do just that. The Rallye Arizona 500 will test drivers, cars and their co-pilots, in true European rallye format, on 400 miles through spectacular Arizona landscapes. Starting at 8.oo am in Prescott the rallye will take the teams on winding roads, over hills, through some cities, over some Highways and on some local roads, maybe sunshine, maybe rain or on the mountains even snow until the driver and his co-pilot have covered those 400 miles following their Road Book. Finish will be from 5.3o pm onwards in Prescott, so even some night driving might encountered onto the finish line. The driving teams will have to follow exact directions, check-in on time at the various check points along the route and time their distances to avoid penalty points. Check points will be published in the Road Book, but not all.
GTS gran turismo sports is organizing this rallye. The owner, Stefan Schleissing, has participated at numerous European historic events including the Rallye Histo Monte and upon moving to the United States, found that he could not find a true challenging vintage car rallye. "I like to be challenged in a rallye, not to just touring"
The Histo Rallye Arizona 500 is for pre-1974 cars only and limited to the first 99 entries. The cost is only $ 895 per team ( $ 835 before July 15th), and includes entry fees, 2 night accommodations (double occupancy) , pre- rallye briefing, Road Book , rallye memorabilia, rallye plaques for the car, lunch dinner and trophies. To secure your entry, a deposit of $ 350,- is required, Final payment will be due August 31,2004. To receive your entry form, please contact GTS today.
Contact:
Stefan Schleissing
GTS gran turismo sports
1890 Woodhaven Dr
Henderson, NV 89074
tel : 702 353 7175
fax: 702 458 0067
email: GTSinLV@aol.com
August
Summer Alfa Day (formerly Northern Alfa Day)
Lotherton Hall, near Leeds, Sunday 15th
More information from Colin Metcalfe : colin@alfamet.fsnet.co.uk
GIULIETTA REGISTER LATE SUMMER GATHERING
Oulton Park Gold Cup, Oulton Park, Cheshire, August Bank Holiday: Sun 29th - Mon 30th.
Last year's gathering there was a great success - this year we plan to do the same with a bit of camping thrown in...
There's loads . . . See you
>> Edited by dinkel on Wednesday 18th August 15:38
Only the link for it's non-italian.
www.thecarexperience.com/ASS/37/Gullwing.htm
Yummy. But what I really like is that Italian kitchen . . .
www.thecarexperience.com/ASS/37/Gullwing.htm
Yummy. But what I really like is that Italian kitchen . . .
<a href="http://www.cardiscoveries.com/vintage-cars/moretti-s003/moretti-s003.htm">www.cardiscoveries.com/vintage-cars/moretti-s003/moretti-s003.htm</a>
MORETTI 750 GRAN SPORT Berlinetta - 1953
Chassis # 1290, Engine # 1294, 4 cylinder, 750 cc, 60 hp at 7000 rpm
Picture Siata Daina sl Sport (1952)
1954 Siata 208s Vignale Coupe
Serenissima Ghia
Spyder
The first car, a coupe designed by Francesco Salomone and built by Gran Sport of Modena, emerged towards the end of 1964. This underwent tests whilst a second car, this time an open-topped version built by Fantuzzi of Modena, was prepared. This car also had the engine capacity increased to 3495cc, giving around 340bhp.
www.carsfromitaly.com/others/popups/seren_1.html
www.uniquemotorbooks.com/maserati1.html
Stanguellini 1100 Sport Internazionale Roadster 1952
www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/stanguellini-collection/index.html
What a collection!
>> Edited by dinkel on Thursday 19th August 15:12
MORETTI 750 GRAN SPORT Berlinetta - 1953
Chassis # 1290, Engine # 1294, 4 cylinder, 750 cc, 60 hp at 7000 rpm
Picture Siata Daina sl Sport (1952)
1954 Siata 208s Vignale Coupe
Serenissima Ghia
Spyder
The first car, a coupe designed by Francesco Salomone and built by Gran Sport of Modena, emerged towards the end of 1964. This underwent tests whilst a second car, this time an open-topped version built by Fantuzzi of Modena, was prepared. This car also had the engine capacity increased to 3495cc, giving around 340bhp.
www.carsfromitaly.com/others/popups/seren_1.html
www.uniquemotorbooks.com/maserati1.html
Stanguellini 1100 Sport Internazionale Roadster 1952
www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/stanguellini-collection/index.html
What a collection!
>> Edited by dinkel on Thursday 19th August 15:12
ettore said:
Serenissima had a proper full race 3 litre V8 I think..was probably good for around 350/400bhp. The engine was certainly (unsuccessfully) used in F1.
How about the ATS for another bit of esoteric italian exotica?
"he engine and transmission were designed by Alberto Massimino, the former being a 90deg V8 of 2996cc with around 300bhp, the latter a five-speed unit mounted together with the differential. The first car, a coupe designed by Francesco Salomone and built by Gran Sport of Modena, emerged towards the end of 1964. This underwent tests whilst a second car, this time an open-topped version built by Fantuzzi of Modena, was prepared. This car also had the engine capacity increased to 3495cc, giving around 340bhp. This engine was then later transplanted into the original prototype."
"Alongside these cars the company dabbled with Formula 1 cars, using chassis' from McLaren and Lola and undertook the development of another V8, this time designed by Jaguar and with three valves per cylinder. This engine was used in a new single seat closed-body sports car which was built by Sport Car of Modena in 1969"
"The Tipo 167 engine was developed by Serenissima for use in racing. It was a 90° V8 unit with four camshafts, three valves per cylinder, transistor ignition and dry sump lubrication. The total weight of the engine was 140kg. The total capacity was 2997cc (91.5x57mm) and it had a compression ratio of 12.2:1.
The power output was 380bhp @ 8,000rpm and the maximum torque 34.8 mkg @ 6,800rpm. "
Disco Volante, not my fav . . . but nice.
www.cuorialfisti.com/MATERIALE/Materiale%20Storia/C52%20disco%20Volante%20(1952).jpg
Maserati Mistral by Frua, Jensen Interceptorish . . .
Number produced: 948
Years Produced: 1963 to 1970
Engine: 3.7 liter straight six
Horsepower: 245
Weight: 1200 Kg
Top Speed: 150 mph
www.cuorialfisti.com/MATERIALE/Materiale%20Storia/C52%20disco%20Volante%20(1952).jpg
Maserati Mistral by Frua, Jensen Interceptorish . . .
Number produced: 948
Years Produced: 1963 to 1970
Engine: 3.7 liter straight six
Horsepower: 245
Weight: 1200 Kg
Top Speed: 150 mph
I guess that in the Carrozzeria days those guys lived for design and detail. In mass production 2004 less is more . . . less detail that is.
Peugeot has nice lettering these days. And the ol' Alfa badger does the trick. It has grown and I want a 147 2.0 as a follow up for the fekking Golfer. Just for the badge . . . Most is utter crap that I like to design over. But hey, industry don't care . . . Chrysler has a nice retro metal sticker. US brands are pretty OK but the cars mmmm . . .
Well lets see some more nice metal letters. This is some nice stuff.
Peugeot has nice lettering these days. And the ol' Alfa badger does the trick. It has grown and I want a 147 2.0 as a follow up for the fekking Golfer. Just for the badge . . . Most is utter crap that I like to design over. But hey, industry don't care . . . Chrysler has a nice retro metal sticker. US brands are pretty OK but the cars mmmm . . .
Well lets see some more nice metal letters. This is some nice stuff.
Alfa 33 Stradale
1968 33.2 Coupe Stradale - 1995cc V8, body by Scaglione
http://mhkaye.com/Alfa%20Tipo%2033%20Stradale.jpg
What the Stradale is this?!
Edit to say:
www.motorlegend.com/dossiers/retrospective/retromobile2004/alfa_sportiva_2000/index.php
>> Edited by dinkel on Thursday 26th August 11:43
1968 33.2 Coupe Stradale - 1995cc V8, body by Scaglione
http://mhkaye.com/Alfa%20Tipo%2033%20Stradale.jpg
What the Stradale is this?!
Edit to say:
www.motorlegend.com/dossiers/retrospective/retromobile2004/alfa_sportiva_2000/index.php
>> Edited by dinkel on Thursday 26th August 11:43
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