Mclaren P1 Spotted
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[quote=Peloton25]
Thanks, but I'm no more infallible than the next guy really. I do try very hard to be correct and only share known information. When something isn't known and I'm speculating, I try to make that clear as well. Best efforts aren't always enough though.
There is some historical precedence for fitting a 'Chassis 001' plate to the styling model for McLaren as the F1's initial design concept back in 1992 also had a similar plate intended to bluff viewers.
That one is a little more obvious as they ended up putting the ignition key in the production F1 chassis plates.
>8^)
ER[/quot
Oi.....were is the ring time..........lol.......
Thanks, but I'm no more infallible than the next guy really. I do try very hard to be correct and only share known information. When something isn't known and I'm speculating, I try to make that clear as well. Best efforts aren't always enough though.
There is some historical precedence for fitting a 'Chassis 001' plate to the styling model for McLaren as the F1's initial design concept back in 1992 also had a similar plate intended to bluff viewers.
That one is a little more obvious as they ended up putting the ignition key in the production F1 chassis plates.
>8^)
ER[/quot
Oi.....were is the ring time..........lol.......
APOLO1 said:
GALLARDOGUY said:
As I've said before, in every thread I've seen him contribute to, he says so much without saying anything at all.
Same old crass opinions stated as cast iron indisputable facts.
Its getting boring mate.
Change the record.
Nah......I like this one.......Same old crass opinions stated as cast iron indisputable facts.
Its getting boring mate.
Change the record.
FeelingLucky said:
APOLO1 said:
Civpilot said:
obvious troll is obvious.
Been reading this thread with interest and sorry APOLO1, but you are just coming across as the totally arrogant and extremely self important right now. You appear to be looking down on every other poster on here as if they are beneath you. Makes you look like a total tool. I'm not saying you are in real life at all, but your tone is really giving that impression to the casual reader.
Your constantly telling everyone else they are wrong and you are right, but offer zero backup to your postings. Just the same old thing, a few random words telling someone how wrong they are (not even complete sentences) then nothing... no back up... no justification.
ps. I recently spent a day at the McLaren Technology center (where the P1 is currently being put together... production will move to the factory shortly I beleive) and was lucky enough to watch a P1 being built and more importantly got to spend some time with those building and developing it (I looks insane in McLaren Orange :cloud9 ) and I can say with utter certainty that you are the one who appears very miss-informed on loads of 'facts' about this car.
It is NOT a 12c in drag as you so shortly describe it.
I'll answer this question .Been reading this thread with interest and sorry APOLO1, but you are just coming across as the totally arrogant and extremely self important right now. You appear to be looking down on every other poster on here as if they are beneath you. Makes you look like a total tool. I'm not saying you are in real life at all, but your tone is really giving that impression to the casual reader.
Your constantly telling everyone else they are wrong and you are right, but offer zero backup to your postings. Just the same old thing, a few random words telling someone how wrong they are (not even complete sentences) then nothing... no back up... no justification.
ps. I recently spent a day at the McLaren Technology center (where the P1 is currently being put together... production will move to the factory shortly I beleive) and was lucky enough to watch a P1 being built and more importantly got to spend some time with those building and developing it (I looks insane in McLaren Orange :cloud9 ) and I can say with utter certainty that you are the one who appears very miss-informed on loads of 'facts' about this car.
It is NOT a 12c in drag as you so shortly describe it.
I take it the services were closed or does buy dint of the purchase of key ring mean you get a tour...
See below from car mag....
1) The P1 is in fact by Mr Sherif's own admission last year ( in several interviews ) .... an MP4-12C with different body work ... a few tech weenie gadgets to impress the terminally deluded .... and a ' Tuned ' MP4-12C engine ... period .... end of discussion
It has a nice ring to it...terminally deluded, don't you think.....
You next point please
Civpilot makes a great point.
Kinky said:
APOLO1 said:
GALLARDOGUY said:
As I've said before, in every thread I've seen him contribute to, he says so much without saying anything at all.
Same old crass opinions stated as cast iron indisputable facts.
Its getting boring mate.
Change the record.
Nah......I like this one.......Same old crass opinions stated as cast iron indisputable facts.
Its getting boring mate.
Change the record.
Guyr said:
Irrespective of what the true percentages are and relative performances it is clear to most casual observers (and every 12C owner I know) that the P1 is a significant derivative of the 12C, whereas the 918 is clearly utterly unrelated to any other Porsche model (as was the CGT or F1 being their respective relative predecessors).
There is a clear connection between the two cars - no doubt. McLaren have done nothing to hide this and explained their approach to a three model line-up from the start. The 12C is so good at what it does that building on it can only make for something very amazing as a result. I reckon that if McLaren had started their new company by releasing the P1 and then the 12C came later that there would be no complaining from the peanut gallery that McLaren were selling them a lesser-P1. The problem is you can't build a worldwide dealer network, a brand new factory and grow a brand based on a limited run of 375 units. They had to start with a model that allowed for significant sales volume from the outset to make all of this viable.
Yes, the P1 is not a clean sheet design like its predecessor, but it is hardly what APOLO1 would have us believe, that's my point.
>8^)
ER
wtdoom said:
Mclaren have categorically told nick trott they will not release a p1 ring time .
Why is this ?
You have run from forum to forum posting this - where are you getting this statement from? Did Nick tell you this personally, is it published somewhere? Why is this ?
>8^)
ER
Edited by Peloton25 on Friday 1st November 20:55
Peloton25 said:
You have run from forum to forum posting this - where are you getting this statement from? Did Nick tell you this personally, is it published somewhere?
>8^)
ER
It's in his Ed Speak column published earlier today on the Evo app. >8^)
ER
Edited by Peloton25 on Friday 1st November 20:55
lauda said:
It's in his Ed Speak column published earlier today on the Evo app.
The EVO article, on their app contains an account of them joining the McLaren team at the Ring.It concludes with this;
Goodwin does so for the remainder of the lap and as we peel back into the pit lane, I’m convinced, as is he, that the P1 isn’t just a seven-minute car but one that will go comfortably under that. We may never find out by how much, though. While McLaren will later confirm that the P1 did indeed beat its 7:00 target, it will reveal no more than that. However, if the stars aligned, and Goodwin kept his foot in, you can bet the lap made the Porsche 918’s mark of 6:57 seem a little pedestrian.
As the Evo app allows you to copy text, I shall paste it.
For the record I see no reason why McLaren should or indeed need to publish a time, regardless of how much quicker it is, but at first glance (from a PR point of view), it would appear they may have shot themselves in the foot choosing the 'ring as a testing and / or development venue.
Nick Trott in the Evo App said:
Nick’s patience for the Nordschleife lap time war is running out
When we began negotiations with McLaren about joining the P1 test team at the Ring, it was expected that the ultimate lap time would be achieved and revealed in time for this issue. At the last minute, I got a text from McLaren that read: ‘I have a conclusion on the Ring question. And not sure if you’re going to like it.’ A few minutes later, I was on the phone to Woking.
During the conversation that followed, it was explained that (spoiler alert!) the P1’s lap time would never be revealed and that the official line was that McLaren ‘had achieved its objective of a sub-seven minute lap of the Nordschleife’. My first feeling was disappointment because I’m sure many of you will be expecting the time, and we can’t give it, but my second feeling was relief. Here’s why…
I couldn’t give a monkey’s about the cult of the Nordschleife lap time. Never have. The chase for a notable lap time has become a form of motorsport in itself, but a motorsport without a governing body, without appropriate safety measures, without independent adjudicators, and a motorsport that is governed by the ‘competitors’ themselves. The result is a pissing contest, a trivialising of the Ring’s history and a chase for lap times that puts lives at risk.
And for what? A marketing message? Well, this week you’re able to find out what two prominent supercar customers think of the ‘allure’ of the Nürburgring lap time and the (lack of) effect it has when signing a cheque for the best part of £1million.
Dickie Meaden has gone into this in more detail in his excellent column – a man who I trust more than any other to deliver an opinion on the Green Hell. It is the most honest, sensible, measured piece about the Nordschleife I’ve ever read.
McLaren may be pilloried for not announcing a lap time and you may think that it has dodged the bullet because it couldn’t beat Porsche. Either way, I’m glad we can put this to bed: had McLaren announced a quicker time there’s no doubt that everyone and his brother would attempt to beat it. But how many of those would exercise the same duty of care as McLaren or Porsche? After Sean Edwards’ death, and evo columnist Dario Franchitti’s terrifying accident last month, the world of performance motoring – and the Nordschleife – does not need any more tragedy or any more controversy.
The Green Hell’s role in improving driving dynamics and driving pleasure cannot be jeopardised by the chase for even faster lap times. When you feel its true effect on driving, you can really feel it. I had the privilege of experiencing it this month on eCoty. On a particularly tricky left/right/left-over-crest that turned a few other cars inside out, the sublime Aston Martin V12 Vantage S – a car partly developed at the Ring – carved through imperiously, leaving an experience of near-perfect chassis behaviour indelibly inked in my memory. That’s the Ring right there. Not three numbers separated by a colon.
Obviously mods, delete if applicable. When we began negotiations with McLaren about joining the P1 test team at the Ring, it was expected that the ultimate lap time would be achieved and revealed in time for this issue. At the last minute, I got a text from McLaren that read: ‘I have a conclusion on the Ring question. And not sure if you’re going to like it.’ A few minutes later, I was on the phone to Woking.
During the conversation that followed, it was explained that (spoiler alert!) the P1’s lap time would never be revealed and that the official line was that McLaren ‘had achieved its objective of a sub-seven minute lap of the Nordschleife’. My first feeling was disappointment because I’m sure many of you will be expecting the time, and we can’t give it, but my second feeling was relief. Here’s why…
I couldn’t give a monkey’s about the cult of the Nordschleife lap time. Never have. The chase for a notable lap time has become a form of motorsport in itself, but a motorsport without a governing body, without appropriate safety measures, without independent adjudicators, and a motorsport that is governed by the ‘competitors’ themselves. The result is a pissing contest, a trivialising of the Ring’s history and a chase for lap times that puts lives at risk.
And for what? A marketing message? Well, this week you’re able to find out what two prominent supercar customers think of the ‘allure’ of the Nürburgring lap time and the (lack of) effect it has when signing a cheque for the best part of £1million.
Dickie Meaden has gone into this in more detail in his excellent column – a man who I trust more than any other to deliver an opinion on the Green Hell. It is the most honest, sensible, measured piece about the Nordschleife I’ve ever read.
McLaren may be pilloried for not announcing a lap time and you may think that it has dodged the bullet because it couldn’t beat Porsche. Either way, I’m glad we can put this to bed: had McLaren announced a quicker time there’s no doubt that everyone and his brother would attempt to beat it. But how many of those would exercise the same duty of care as McLaren or Porsche? After Sean Edwards’ death, and evo columnist Dario Franchitti’s terrifying accident last month, the world of performance motoring – and the Nordschleife – does not need any more tragedy or any more controversy.
The Green Hell’s role in improving driving dynamics and driving pleasure cannot be jeopardised by the chase for even faster lap times. When you feel its true effect on driving, you can really feel it. I had the privilege of experiencing it this month on eCoty. On a particularly tricky left/right/left-over-crest that turned a few other cars inside out, the sublime Aston Martin V12 Vantage S – a car partly developed at the Ring – carved through imperiously, leaving an experience of near-perfect chassis behaviour indelibly inked in my memory. That’s the Ring right there. Not three numbers separated by a colon.
For the record I see no reason why McLaren should or indeed need to publish a time, regardless of how much quicker it is, but at first glance (from a PR point of view), it would appear they may have shot themselves in the foot choosing the 'ring as a testing and / or development venue.
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