650 Replacement
Discussion
Would it be time to start fantasizing about what might be the 12C/650S replacement ?
And if McLaren is listening, may be they will include or listen to our expectations.
So what do you think are the timescales, what it will or should look like and how should they evolve the line-up ?
Next year will be all about the 540/570 hitting the market and the delivery of the 675LT. So, my guess is that we will have a launch in middle of 2017 and the first deliveries in 2018 for the 650 replacement.
The 570 will have effectively replaced the 650 in terms of price and market segment. I see the 650S replacement more like an Aventador competitor, closer if not beyond the £300k mark.
I think, or I would like (pretty please):
- ~720 BHP
- I think they need to continue to bring higher tech to this level of the market, so they could have a 666bhp engine from the 675 with a smaller electric engine to make it 720bhp or so combined
- I hope they can retain the unique everyday usability of the current range
- A chassis with high seals as on the 12C/650S. Yes, please, it makes it more rigid and so much more confined and gives this fighter jet environment
- The speed mark is nice but please more subtle integration and not at every corner of the car
- The flying buttress introduced on the 540/570 should be taken to another level, like on the new Ford GT, where I think they are a striking feature
- It might be time (nearly 3 years from now) for them to drop, or evolve the duck face of the P1. The F1 and the 12C had more long lasting styling. McLaren should retain this elegant British flavor (and attract more AM customers ;-))
What do you guys think ? What would you like to see ?
And if McLaren is listening, may be they will include or listen to our expectations.
So what do you think are the timescales, what it will or should look like and how should they evolve the line-up ?
Next year will be all about the 540/570 hitting the market and the delivery of the 675LT. So, my guess is that we will have a launch in middle of 2017 and the first deliveries in 2018 for the 650 replacement.
The 570 will have effectively replaced the 650 in terms of price and market segment. I see the 650S replacement more like an Aventador competitor, closer if not beyond the £300k mark.
I think, or I would like (pretty please):
- ~720 BHP
- I think they need to continue to bring higher tech to this level of the market, so they could have a 666bhp engine from the 675 with a smaller electric engine to make it 720bhp or so combined
- I hope they can retain the unique everyday usability of the current range
- A chassis with high seals as on the 12C/650S. Yes, please, it makes it more rigid and so much more confined and gives this fighter jet environment
- The speed mark is nice but please more subtle integration and not at every corner of the car
- The flying buttress introduced on the 540/570 should be taken to another level, like on the new Ford GT, where I think they are a striking feature
- It might be time (nearly 3 years from now) for them to drop, or evolve the duck face of the P1. The F1 and the 12C had more long lasting styling. McLaren should retain this elegant British flavor (and attract more AM customers ;-))
What do you guys think ? What would you like to see ?
Drop the face....purrrleeeeaase! After that, some attempt at the torque restriction idea that Ferrari has used, plus a retention/development of the tenneco suspension (quite a defining piece of tech for McLaren). 750 BHP. A little more width and imaginative styling, not overly aggressive but very individual with a really strong stance.
A 9k redline with more distinction between the driving modes, starting at a more aggressive point for the drivetrain but a less aggressive point for the handling mode, going right through to an ultra-stiff and sharp responding track mode.
Would like to be able to order various modules/packs that allow tailoring of the car in different directions - club sport, GT etc.
Updated in car entertainment and communication......
Actually a really intuitive SatNav that links with the car's location and purpose (if you're near a track, or a renowned road, why not say so, and provide additional information about the car such as suggestions for what setting to use on the...newly developed interactive aero systems. Should also link with the telemetry and in car camera systems etc.
Most of all, to build the best car they can in a way they themselves believe in.
A 9k redline with more distinction between the driving modes, starting at a more aggressive point for the drivetrain but a less aggressive point for the handling mode, going right through to an ultra-stiff and sharp responding track mode.
Would like to be able to order various modules/packs that allow tailoring of the car in different directions - club sport, GT etc.
Updated in car entertainment and communication......
Actually a really intuitive SatNav that links with the car's location and purpose (if you're near a track, or a renowned road, why not say so, and provide additional information about the car such as suggestions for what setting to use on the...newly developed interactive aero systems. Should also link with the telemetry and in car camera systems etc.
Most of all, to build the best car they can in a way they themselves believe in.
LukeyLikey said:
some attempt at the torque restriction idea that Ferrari has used
Yes, they have to implement something like that to remain the best driver's car. I am pretty sure comparison of the 488 and 650 will highlight this and be quite a big thing against the 650.LukeyLikey said:
750 BHP. A little more width and imaginative styling, not overly aggressive but very individual with a really strong stance.
I would prefer that they keep the car usuable on a daily basis, which would go against a wider and extremely powerful car.In a way they do not really need to go much more powerful then the current car. It is already as quick as you can handle on normal roads.
LukeyLikey said:
Updated in car entertainment and communication......
Actually a really intuitive SatNav that links with the car's location and purpose (if you're near a track, or a renowned road, why not say so, and provide additional information about the car such as suggestions for what setting to use on the...newly developed interactive aero systems. Should also link with the telemetry and in car camera systems etc.
They are likely to evolve their system slowly and none of the manufacturers are strong enough in this area to take it to such a level of integration and involvement. But that is a good mobile app idea !Actually a really intuitive SatNav that links with the car's location and purpose (if you're near a track, or a renowned road, why not say so, and provide additional information about the car such as suggestions for what setting to use on the...newly developed interactive aero systems. Should also link with the telemetry and in car camera systems etc.
mb1 said:
LukeyLikey said:
750 BHP. A little more width and imaginative styling, not overly aggressive but very individual with a really strong stance.
I would prefer that they keep the car usuable on a daily basis, which would go against a wider and extremely powerful car.In a way they do not really need to go much more powerful then the current car. It is already as quick as you can handle on normal roads.
isaldiri said:
The absolute last thing the P14 needs is to be bigger and especially wider than the 650 which is no one's idea of a small car and the next thing it absolutely doesn't need is even more power than the 650.
I agree because that is what I would like P14 to be but you have to put it into the perspective of their 3-car line-up.The 540/570 are going to cater for the usable and power sensible space of the market.
The P1 is the unreachable ultimate car that no one uses regularely (except a couple of exceptions).
The P14 will need to be a step up from the 570, which will evolve into a 600bhp car before you know it.
It would be nice if the P14 was an evolved 570 with all the belts and withles, kept the usability, and added the hybrid tech to manage turbo lag. But I fear their marketing department might say that they want a car to compete with the Aventador. Which the 650 in terms of stance and power just cannot (even if it is faster and a better car obviously).
mb1 said:
It's Autocar though - large pinch of salt required 
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