Discussion
mb1 said:
tuffer said:
I have been looking at the 570, I would say its a long way from a 458 in terms of build and interior quality.
Well that must be incredibly bad then !
I doubt he was looking at a customer 570, probably one of the mules that did the rounds a few months ago 
OP drive both and make your own decision
I bought a 650 instead of a 458, mostly because the 650 spider is a LOT stiffer
tuffer said:
I have been looking at the 570, I would say its a long way from a 458 in terms of build and interior quality.
Agree with that, sat in a 570s demo last week after sitting in a 650s and the interior is pretty basic to say the least, I'd even use the word cheap which is what I said to the saleman...........Sarnie said:
Agree with that, sat in a 570s demo last week after sitting in a 650s and the interior is pretty basic to say the least, I'd even use the word cheap which is what I said to the saleman...........
I agree that compared to a 650S the 570S interior looks and feels a lot cheaper whereas the 650S oozes class and quality way above both 570S and 458 IMHONow driven both, and enjoyed the 570S drive more than the 458, although still trying to determine how much of that was down to the 570S drive being on familiar roads and better road conditions (although still not fully dry). 570S seems to get it's power down better than the 458, and the steering flows better. By contrast the 458 feels a "spikier" car to drive. 458 wins soundwise, and certainly from some angles lookswise, and benefits from being slightly smaller.
Not seen a 570 in the flesh but was not impressed with the 458...it was my dream car for several years but the driving experience and interior were a big disappointment. They make a great sound though! For me my 12c is a far better car all round and worth the value...I even prefer my Evora S by some marine as well and as brilliant as it is, it is not a supercharged.
I'd have thought a 570 is a far better drive even if the interior is only equivalent.
I'd have thought a 570 is a far better drive even if the interior is only equivalent.
In terms of value, the 458 will retain it very well since it is a Ferrari and may even go up in value depending on the market. Even older models like the 430 and 360 are still fetching mid 100s to 200s. Old McLarens on the other hand are dropping in value dramatically unless you happen to own the F1 or P1.
Both drive quite well on the road but when you take them to the track, the Ferrari will shine and be the more fun vehicle to drive. The 570s suffers from too much input into the turn and a severe understeer.
Although most people who know cars know what a McLaren is, the general public have no idea. A main reason why most people get an exotic is to gain attention and so Ferrari will win all the time. Not to mention Ferrari has always been the benchmark of the super car - when McLaren developed the 12c, it was based on the 458.
Probably an even more important reason why the 458 is better is because the engine is naturally aspirated. More and more this has sadly become a lost art and anyone who knows cars can tell you an NA engine will sound better than a turbo engine.
Interior, the 570s may win although it only appears to look nice but the actual dash feels cheap. Ferrari is never known to be a luxury car and so the controls and dash may seem crude or even too simple but that's because they are all about performance and racing.
To me it's a no brainer. Ferrari wins if you can afford it. Extra points if you can get the spider.
Both drive quite well on the road but when you take them to the track, the Ferrari will shine and be the more fun vehicle to drive. The 570s suffers from too much input into the turn and a severe understeer.
Although most people who know cars know what a McLaren is, the general public have no idea. A main reason why most people get an exotic is to gain attention and so Ferrari will win all the time. Not to mention Ferrari has always been the benchmark of the super car - when McLaren developed the 12c, it was based on the 458.
Probably an even more important reason why the 458 is better is because the engine is naturally aspirated. More and more this has sadly become a lost art and anyone who knows cars can tell you an NA engine will sound better than a turbo engine.
Interior, the 570s may win although it only appears to look nice but the actual dash feels cheap. Ferrari is never known to be a luxury car and so the controls and dash may seem crude or even too simple but that's because they are all about performance and racing.
To me it's a no brainer. Ferrari wins if you can afford it. Extra points if you can get the spider.
s1m0nw said:
In terms of value, the 458 will retain it very well since it is a Ferrari and may even go up in value depending on the market. Even older models like the 430 and 360 are still fetching mid 100s to 200s. Old McLarens on the other hand are dropping in value dramatically unless you happen to own the F1 or P1.
Both drive quite well on the road but when you take them to the track, the Ferrari will shine and be the more fun vehicle to drive. The 570s suffers from too much input into the turn and a severe understeer.
Although most people who know cars know what a McLaren is, the general public have no idea. A main reason why most people get an exotic is to gain attention and so Ferrari will win all the time. Not to mention Ferrari has always been the benchmark of the super car - when McLaren developed the 12c, it was based on the 458.
Probably an even more important reason why the 458 is better is because the engine is naturally aspirated. More and more this has sadly become a lost art and anyone who knows cars can tell you an NA engine will sound better than a turbo engine.
Interior, the 570s may win although it only appears to look nice but the actual dash feels cheap. Ferrari is never known to be a luxury car and so the controls and dash may seem crude or even too simple but that's because they are all about performance and racing.
To me it's a no brainer. Ferrari wins if you can afford it. Extra points if you can get the spider.
/channel Rambo... as there is clearly a vacuum. Both drive quite well on the road but when you take them to the track, the Ferrari will shine and be the more fun vehicle to drive. The 570s suffers from too much input into the turn and a severe understeer.
Although most people who know cars know what a McLaren is, the general public have no idea. A main reason why most people get an exotic is to gain attention and so Ferrari will win all the time. Not to mention Ferrari has always been the benchmark of the super car - when McLaren developed the 12c, it was based on the 458.
Probably an even more important reason why the 458 is better is because the engine is naturally aspirated. More and more this has sadly become a lost art and anyone who knows cars can tell you an NA engine will sound better than a turbo engine.
Interior, the 570s may win although it only appears to look nice but the actual dash feels cheap. Ferrari is never known to be a luxury car and so the controls and dash may seem crude or even too simple but that's because they are all about performance and racing.
To me it's a no brainer. Ferrari wins if you can afford it. Extra points if you can get the spider.
Your having a laugh right? I was showing my 650S Spider @ Blanc Pain Brands Hatch a month - had a whole load of Ferrari's alongside 4-5 McLaren's - what got all the attention? the McLaren's! by a huge factor - when I fill up for fuel I am normally mobbed by people wanting to talk about the car, and this is the key different, it is a *british* car and people love that, and finally 't
t' factor - the ferrari Brand is definitely associated with posers - clearly you are one of them who cares most about attention - which brings me to the final point, McLaren owners 95% of the time are buying because of driving dynamics (which are a million miles ahead) - and they DRIVE THEM - I see lots of cars on high mileage because they enjoy driving them, every Ferrari owner I meet talks about it being an 'investment' and they cant drive it to much - what a fking laugh, pay all that money and then cannot drive it. Plus I am now seeing McLarens at lots of track days - how many Ferrari's do you see? (seen 1 in last 6 I have done this year so far) - reasons why?1) they know they will get slaughtered by the competition
2) they don't want to devalue the car
/End Channel Rambo
So there you have it - buy the 570 if you want to drive you car, buy the 458 if you want to be a poser who just polishes his knob end rather than sticking it in something
s1m0nw said:
In terms of value, the 458 will retain it very well since it is a Ferrari and may even go up in value depending on the market. Even older models like the 430 and 360 are still fetching mid 100s to 200s. Old McLarens on the other hand are dropping in value dramatically unless you happen to own the F1 or P1.
Both drive quite well on the road but when you take them to the track, the Ferrari will shine and be the more fun vehicle to drive. The 570s suffers from too much input into the turn and a severe understeer.
Although most people who know cars know what a McLaren is, the general public have no idea. A main reason why most people get an exotic is to gain attention and so Ferrari will win all the time. Not to mention Ferrari has always been the benchmark of the super car - when McLaren developed the 12c, it was based on the 458.
Probably an even more important reason why the 458 is better is because the engine is naturally aspirated. More and more this has sadly become a lost art and anyone who knows cars can tell you an NA engine will sound better than a turbo engine.
Interior, the 570s may win although it only appears to look nice but the actual dash feels cheap. Ferrari is never known to be a luxury car and so the controls and dash may seem crude or even too simple but that's because they are all about performance and racing.
To me it's a no brainer. Ferrari wins if you can afford it. Extra points if you can get the spider.
Most misleading post I have read for a long time.Both drive quite well on the road but when you take them to the track, the Ferrari will shine and be the more fun vehicle to drive. The 570s suffers from too much input into the turn and a severe understeer.
Although most people who know cars know what a McLaren is, the general public have no idea. A main reason why most people get an exotic is to gain attention and so Ferrari will win all the time. Not to mention Ferrari has always been the benchmark of the super car - when McLaren developed the 12c, it was based on the 458.
Probably an even more important reason why the 458 is better is because the engine is naturally aspirated. More and more this has sadly become a lost art and anyone who knows cars can tell you an NA engine will sound better than a turbo engine.
Interior, the 570s may win although it only appears to look nice but the actual dash feels cheap. Ferrari is never known to be a luxury car and so the controls and dash may seem crude or even too simple but that's because they are all about performance and racing.
To me it's a no brainer. Ferrari wins if you can afford it. Extra points if you can get the spider.
My direct comparison is 16M to 650s Spider. Huge (and I mean huge) difference in quality and driveability.
I would wager 458 to 570 would be considerably less of a gulf, but still my choice would be the McLaren for the points made by Nick above.
NickOrangeCars said:
/channel Rambo... as there is clearly a vacuum.
Your having a laugh right? I was showing my 650S Spider @ Blanc Pain Brands Hatch a month - had a whole load of Ferrari's alongside 4-5 McLaren's - what got all the attention? the McLaren's! by a huge factor - when I fill up for fuel I am normally mobbed by people wanting to talk about the car, and this is the key different, it is a *british* car and people love that, and finally 'tt' factor - the ferrari Brand is definitely associated with posers - clearly you are one of them who cares most about attention - which brings me to the final point, McLaren owners 95% of the time are buying because of driving dynamics (which are a million miles ahead) - and they DRIVE THEM - I see lots of cars on high mileage because they enjoy driving them, every Ferrari owner I meet talks about it being an 'investment' and they cant drive it to much - what a fking laugh, pay all that money and then cannot drive it. Plus I am now seeing McLarens at lots of track days - how many Ferrari's do you see? (seen 1 in last 6 I have done this year so far) - reasons why?
1) they know they will get slaughtered by the competition
2) they don't want to devalue the car
/End Channel Rambo
So there you have it - buy the 570 if you want to drive you car, buy the 458 if you want to be a poser who just polishes his knob end rather than sticking it in something
While I had a good laugh at this, there's really no need to overegg the pudding on the topic. I don't know why people feel the need to bring it down to this level, and countering an obviously trollish post by rising to the bait and feeling the need to make a bunch of sweeping generalisations of your own does you no favours.Your having a laugh right? I was showing my 650S Spider @ Blanc Pain Brands Hatch a month - had a whole load of Ferrari's alongside 4-5 McLaren's - what got all the attention? the McLaren's! by a huge factor - when I fill up for fuel I am normally mobbed by people wanting to talk about the car, and this is the key different, it is a *british* car and people love that, and finally 't
t' factor - the ferrari Brand is definitely associated with posers - clearly you are one of them who cares most about attention - which brings me to the final point, McLaren owners 95% of the time are buying because of driving dynamics (which are a million miles ahead) - and they DRIVE THEM - I see lots of cars on high mileage because they enjoy driving them, every Ferrari owner I meet talks about it being an 'investment' and they cant drive it to much - what a fking laugh, pay all that money and then cannot drive it. Plus I am now seeing McLarens at lots of track days - how many Ferrari's do you see? (seen 1 in last 6 I have done this year so far) - reasons why?1) they know they will get slaughtered by the competition
2) they don't want to devalue the car
/End Channel Rambo
So there you have it - buy the 570 if you want to drive you car, buy the 458 if you want to be a poser who just polishes his knob end rather than sticking it in something
I've been recently in the market for one of these, and ended up going 458. I've owned a bunch of cars, most recently Strad, Carrera GT, Murcielago, GT3RS and have thrashed them all on road and track with no fear of mileage.
I was relatively agnostic on what I bought, and actually got gazzumped on a 650s, and was struggling to find a 12c Spider that met my standards. I'll give you one thing, the McLarens are definitely rarer cars if thats your thing.
And while this was happening, a 458 came up where the owner had literally ticked every option and I fell in love. Interior wise with all the options its definitely nicer than a mac although I will miss that Mclaren driving position. Am looking forward to picking it up, and like my cars before this, I will drive the thing, fo that you can be assured.
These are all great cars, there's nothing between them performance wise in the real world, in fact a GolfR probably keeps up with anything at non-jailtime speeds.
So get the one you like, whatever puts a smile on your face and don't worry about stereotypes about the profile of "typical owners", and don't worry about values/mileage.
YOLO!!!!
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