Discussion
flemke said:
Although I have not yet driven a P15, I think I have a pretty good idea of what it will be like. On that basis, I think it would be more accurate to say that it would be a different experience from the P1, rather than not even half the experience of the P1.
The P1 looks about a hundred times better, and that is part of the experience. It's also more complex (apart from the aero), and that is another part of the experience. Some people might prefer all the P1's hissing and wheezing (although I found them annoying), and those sounds are definitely another part of the experience.
On the other hand, the P1 was only the second model that McLaren made, and the fact that McLaren were still learning how to design user interfaces was pretty obvious. The P15 is another four models on from the P1, and McLaren are starting to figure it out.
For me, the main difference will be weight. The P1 was simply too heavy to be a good track car, and of course weight is noticeable on the road too. Lateral grip and braking distances should be an order of magnitude better in the P15 than they were in the P1. They tell me that steering and brake feel are improved as well.
In next week's Autocar Matt Prior will write about his first drive in a P15. He is a big fan of the P1, and I would expect him to reference that benchmark in his article.
It's a horses-for-courses thing. The hybrid feature was a core element of the P1 concept. For some people the hybrid feature added to the P1 experience, but for others of us it detracted from it. Apart from looks, the P15 is what I was hoping the P1 would be, but wasn't.
All fair and rational comments for sure, I think mainly I just can’t stand the look of the P15, it hurts my eyes! But good for them for trying something so unconventionalThe P1 looks about a hundred times better, and that is part of the experience. It's also more complex (apart from the aero), and that is another part of the experience. Some people might prefer all the P1's hissing and wheezing (although I found them annoying), and those sounds are definitely another part of the experience.
On the other hand, the P1 was only the second model that McLaren made, and the fact that McLaren were still learning how to design user interfaces was pretty obvious. The P15 is another four models on from the P1, and McLaren are starting to figure it out.
For me, the main difference will be weight. The P1 was simply too heavy to be a good track car, and of course weight is noticeable on the road too. Lateral grip and braking distances should be an order of magnitude better in the P15 than they were in the P1. They tell me that steering and brake feel are improved as well.
In next week's Autocar Matt Prior will write about his first drive in a P15. He is a big fan of the P1, and I would expect him to reference that benchmark in his article.
It's a horses-for-courses thing. The hybrid feature was a core element of the P1 concept. For some people the hybrid feature added to the P1 experience, but for others of us it detracted from it. Apart from looks, the P15 is what I was hoping the P1 would be, but wasn't.
I’m sure it will be a hoot to drive
SteelySteve said:
flemke said:
Although I have not yet driven a P15, I think I have a pretty good idea of what it will be like. On that basis, I think it would be more accurate to say that it would be a different experience from the P1, rather than not even half the experience of the P1.
The P1 looks about a hundred times better, and that is part of the experience. It's also more complex (apart from the aero), and that is another part of the experience. Some people might prefer all the P1's hissing and wheezing (although I found them annoying), and those sounds are definitely another part of the experience.
On the other hand, the P1 was only the second model that McLaren made, and the fact that McLaren were still learning how to design user interfaces was pretty obvious. The P15 is another four models on from the P1, and McLaren are starting to figure it out.
For me, the main difference will be weight. The P1 was simply too heavy to be a good track car, and of course weight is noticeable on the road too. Lateral grip and braking distances should be an order of magnitude better in the P15 than they were in the P1. They tell me that steering and brake feel are improved as well.
In next week's Autocar Matt Prior will write about his first drive in a P15. He is a big fan of the P1, and I would expect him to reference that benchmark in his article.
It's a horses-for-courses thing. The hybrid feature was a core element of the P1 concept. For some people the hybrid feature added to the P1 experience, but for others of us it detracted from it. Apart from looks, the P15 is what I was hoping the P1 would be, but wasn't.
All fair and rational comments for sure, I think mainly I just can’t stand the look of the P15, it hurts my eyes! But good for them for trying something so unconventionalThe P1 looks about a hundred times better, and that is part of the experience. It's also more complex (apart from the aero), and that is another part of the experience. Some people might prefer all the P1's hissing and wheezing (although I found them annoying), and those sounds are definitely another part of the experience.
On the other hand, the P1 was only the second model that McLaren made, and the fact that McLaren were still learning how to design user interfaces was pretty obvious. The P15 is another four models on from the P1, and McLaren are starting to figure it out.
For me, the main difference will be weight. The P1 was simply too heavy to be a good track car, and of course weight is noticeable on the road too. Lateral grip and braking distances should be an order of magnitude better in the P15 than they were in the P1. They tell me that steering and brake feel are improved as well.
In next week's Autocar Matt Prior will write about his first drive in a P15. He is a big fan of the P1, and I would expect him to reference that benchmark in his article.
It's a horses-for-courses thing. The hybrid feature was a core element of the P1 concept. For some people the hybrid feature added to the P1 experience, but for others of us it detracted from it. Apart from looks, the P15 is what I was hoping the P1 would be, but wasn't.
I’m sure it will be a hoot to drive
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