Lots of 675LTs for sale..
Discussion
Bispal said:
Exactly , 100% agree, I have owned Porsches and loved Porsches but if they wont sell me the car I want I will look elsewhere, and I did and bought a McLaren. Why on earth the GT3 / 4 and R cannot be freely available standard models is beyond me. Those who adore cars will want those models, if they can't get one they will not go and buy a C2, they will look for something special elsewhere and leave the brand, like myself and many, many others I have spoken to recently. Meanwhile who benefits from these 'halo' models? A select band of individuals who almost immediately flip their cars? I will repeat my earlier comment of whats in it for the dealer if the person the 'allow' to buy a car instantly makes £350k profit? You don't just give that amount of money away, no one would, just what is happening behind closed doors?
Yep, couldn't agree more. I've said this before on another forum...I loved Porsche, but the company is in danger of disappearing up its own fundament. All these limited edition cars that even God and his dog can't get hold of. What's wrong with releasing a car, as I believe they did with the GT3 996 iteration, and just let people buy the bloody things? I think for every 'halo effect' sale Porsche thinks it's getting, there's at least another person who is deserting the brand. I've done exactly that and so too have at least two other people to my knowledge, one in particular who got so royally messed around with a GT4 order that he waltzed off into the sunset and bought an Aston Martin. Nice marketing right there Porsche! 
The idea that Mclaren would behave any differently from Porsche or Ferrari if they could do so is wishful thinking imo. The main reason why they haven't done so is that there simply isn't the same demand at the moment for the Mclaren cars as the GT cars (likely primarily due to the loony perception that GT cars are guaranteed to appreciate) and Mclaren had to use the 'limited edition' status to get people to pay the premium they were asking for the 675 given the price differential vs ordering a 650 with the discounts on offer. Mclaren themselves were assembling waiting lists for the 675 spider back in September once it became obvious to them the 675 was going to be in strong demand with good press reception and already there were build slots on the coupe being offered at above list.
To be fair to Porsche as well, the GT4 and in particular before the GT3 (before engines started going bang
) were not as impossible to get as is being suggested. Ok the RS and the R are different but the more 'standard' run cars were 'gettable' imo. Personally i think manufacturers should just have a build to order time period where they will fulfill customer orders, that would stop a lot of the craze for speculators to try and flip cars.
To be fair to Porsche as well, the GT4 and in particular before the GT3 (before engines started going bang
) were not as impossible to get as is being suggested. Ok the RS and the R are different but the more 'standard' run cars were 'gettable' imo. Personally i think manufacturers should just have a build to order time period where they will fulfill customer orders, that would stop a lot of the craze for speculators to try and flip cars.for Porsche, huge demand is great marketing..... = desirability..... if they sold the cars at an inflated price, sure demand would be lower as it then might not be an overs car.... the marketing guys might have got this wrong though in the long term as people get disgruntled.... as said already, Porsche could make more money by simply opening the order books....
re dealers, what do they gain.... well, are some lucky ones not encouraged to buy a load of other mainstream models to ensure they they get the halo cars... the overs bit will compensate for the losses taken on the other cars, the dealer meets sales targets..... is this incorrect... and if a car is sold on sor via the main dealer, he'll make 10-15 at least no?
re dealers, what do they gain.... well, are some lucky ones not encouraged to buy a load of other mainstream models to ensure they they get the halo cars... the overs bit will compensate for the losses taken on the other cars, the dealer meets sales targets..... is this incorrect... and if a car is sold on sor via the main dealer, he'll make 10-15 at least no?
isaldiri said:
To be fair to Porsche as well, the GT4 and in particular before the GT3 (before engines started going bang ) were not as impossible to get as is being suggested. Ok the RS and the R are different but the more 'standard' run cars were 'gettable' imo.
Correct, the young lad who makes the videos on Youtube got a GT4, and several other first time Porsche newbies. It was limited but if you knew who to ask you could have gotten one. Porsche do not really have that much of an organised strategy on supply of such cars(unlike other aspects of their business), it is all very hit and miss. You are also right about the GT3, there were a few calls to random customers when dealerships thought they might have more supply than demand (pre-engine issue). ) were not as impossible to get as is being suggested. Ok the RS and the R are different but the more 'standard' run cars were 'gettable' imo. flemke said:
WTF are we supposed to do, go to the local Porsche Centre and say, "I don't know what cool cars Porsche will be making in the next 10 years, but I want to put my name down for every one of the good ones"?
Despite copping a lot of flak elsewhere with regards to your thoughts and experiences on the LT debacle, I personally always find you a voice of informed sanity on this forum! Regarding the Porsche point I've quoted, I wouldn't be at all surprised if people do actually do something like that. I vaguely remember reading posts on PH where, if, say, Ferrari launch the 458 coupe, some people immediately send letters of intent to their dealers to get in the queue for an unspecified limited 'hot' variant that they can't be sure will happen, but they're covering the bases just in case. (This is 1 step beyond something that will always definitely be coming, like a spider version, btw.)
Also, on the subject of 'flippers' - presumably they must already be valued customers or very well-connected in order to get their hands on the limited-run vehicles in the first place? So is there any evidence of the manufacturers penalising them in any way by, for example, preventing them from getting on 'the list' for the next one?
cgt2 said:
Correct, the young lad who makes the videos on Youtube got a GT4, and several other first time Porsche newbies. It was limited but if you knew who to ask you could have gotten one. Porsche do not really have that much of an organised strategy on supply of such cars(unlike other aspects of their business), it is all very hit and miss. You are also right about the GT3, there were a few calls to random customers when dealerships thought they might have more supply than demand (pre-engine issue).
Hm I'd probably argue said youtube lad getting a gt4 despite no Porsche history (probably due to his ahem 'fame' on social media) is exactly an example of what is wrong with gt4 allocations rather than an example of gt4's being more available than perceived to most people........but still....initial allocations were pretty low but if one persisted with the dealership i do think when a good number of cars came through later a good part of the demand for them was fulfilled. The 911R for Euro 749K is shown here: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...
Another one is now offered for......... Euro 1,25M: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...
Completely crazy, and I think (I hope) nobody busy this for that price. Just another 911 (of which almost all are special versions, limited edition, etc, etc.).
And the arrogance to "sell" it only in private/closed meeting to a selected number of people (which have high marketing value), puts this brand for me definitely on the blacklist from now on.
Another one is now offered for......... Euro 1,25M: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...
Completely crazy, and I think (I hope) nobody busy this for that price. Just another 911 (of which almost all are special versions, limited edition, etc, etc.).
And the arrogance to "sell" it only in private/closed meeting to a selected number of people (which have high marketing value), puts this brand for me definitely on the blacklist from now on.
Edited by AWV12 on Thursday 10th March 21:51
It has to be said none of the top echelon of sports car makers have covered themselves in glory the last few years with their halo products.
Does anyone know if Lexus sold the LFA in a gentlemanly manner, or was it the same? I hope it was how it should have been done. I do recall a lot of people saying at the time it was overpriced, but seems to be a cracking car.
I'd have one over an 911R any day if same amount of money.
Does anyone know if Lexus sold the LFA in a gentlemanly manner, or was it the same? I hope it was how it should have been done. I do recall a lot of people saying at the time it was overpriced, but seems to be a cracking car.
I'd have one over an 911R any day if same amount of money.
Gandahar said:
It has to be said none of the top echelon of sports car makers have covered themselves in glory the last few years with their halo products.
Does anyone know if Lexus sold the LFA in a gentlemanly manner, or was it the same? I hope it was how it should have been done. I do recall a lot of people saying at the time it was overpriced, but seems to be a cracking car.
I'd have one over an 911R any day if same amount of money.
If I recall correctly, the LFA was far from being in demand and Lexus struggled quite badly over the line to sell all of them. Or at least they were sold out per Toyota quite early on apparently but interestingly enough I still heard of people being able to get one. It was never the case like say the 991R or speciale Aperta. Does anyone know if Lexus sold the LFA in a gentlemanly manner, or was it the same? I hope it was how it should have been done. I do recall a lot of people saying at the time it was overpriced, but seems to be a cracking car.
I'd have one over an 911R any day if same amount of money.
You would today be able to get a LFA for vastly less than a 991R (and possibly 991RS) as even now the LFA has not had anything like the huge price rises like Ferrari or Porsche due to expiry of US leases as well last year...
isaldiri said:
If I recall correctly, the LFA was far from being in demand and Lexus struggled quite badly over the line to sell all of them. Or at least they were sold out per Toyota quite early on apparently but interestingly enough I still heard of people being able to get one. It was never the case like say the 991R or speciale Aperta.
You would today be able to get a LFA for vastly less than a 991R (and possibly 991RS) as even now the LFA has not had anything like the huge price rises like Ferrari or Porsche due to expiry of US leases as well last year...
Good points and it is interesting it turned out that wayYou would today be able to get a LFA for vastly less than a 991R (and possibly 991RS) as even now the LFA has not had anything like the huge price rises like Ferrari or Porsche due to expiry of US leases as well last year...
Shame because it's the top car of Toyota in the last 10 years, what they can do. It also sounds fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeNJwS3coLk
9200rpm and that is a crap video sound wise. No need for a Capristo or Akrapovic etc here.
In those days Chris had to make excuses for the cost as well, imagine of you told him the latest GT3 RS is getting on for that nowadays
A vastly underated car. What are they worth now?
V10 with instantly responding throttle.... note no mentions of the steering, is this the last analogue supercar after the Carrera GT ?
Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 15th March 12:06
TP321 said:
Lets see how quickly the TOP555 car sells...the Speciales that they have had have sold within days!
Also anyone else think that the AMG GT seems pricey at £125k?
I thought it was too but the other day I had one pass me by and it really had some road presence. I'm sure Brabus could turn it into something with 750 and the looks of the batmobile in black.Also anyone else think that the AMG GT seems pricey at £125k?
The MP4 12C is making everything look a bit pricey around the 100-12k bracket to be honest.
Even two for sale here in our small country: http://www.louwmanexclusive.com/nl/cars/mclaren/
(and few brand new 570S, etc)
(and few brand new 570S, etc)
Gandahar said:
Good points and it is interesting it turned out that way
Shame because it's the top car of Toyota in the last 10 years, what they can do. It also sounds fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeNJwS3coLk
9200rpm and that is a crap video sound wise. No need for a Capristo or Akrapovic etc here.
In those days Chris had to make excuses for the cost as well, imagine of you told him the latest GT3 RS is getting on for that nowadays
A vastly underated car. What are they worth now?
V10 with instantly responding throttle.... note no mentions of the steering, is this the last analogue supercar after the Carrera GT ?
Don''t think it's truly analogue - paddle shift. Shame because it's the top car of Toyota in the last 10 years, what they can do. It also sounds fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeNJwS3coLk
9200rpm and that is a crap video sound wise. No need for a Capristo or Akrapovic etc here.
In those days Chris had to make excuses for the cost as well, imagine of you told him the latest GT3 RS is getting on for that nowadays
A vastly underated car. What are they worth now?
V10 with instantly responding throttle.... note no mentions of the steering, is this the last analogue supercar after the Carrera GT ?
There have been a few advertised for sale on mobile.de for years. No idea what the actual market clearing price is.
flemke said:
Don''t think it's truly analogue - paddle shift.
There have been a few advertised for sale on mobile.de for years. No idea what the actual market clearing price is.
Good pointThere have been a few advertised for sale on mobile.de for years. No idea what the actual market clearing price is.
here comes another one
http://www.top555.co.uk/stock/details/Mclaren-675L...
They also have a nice grey one
http://www.top555.co.uk/stock/details/McLaren-675-...
That's a seriously good looking fanny magnet as my wife would say.
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