Prices on the up
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Noticed that there is only 1 12c Spider for sale in the UK. Dealers and respected independent Alastair Bols reporting that as soon as they get one they are snapped up.
I know summer is hear but this car I believe is now being seen as a game changer car with ageless looks.
Thoughts on future values?
I know summer is hear but this car I believe is now being seen as a game changer car with ageless looks.
Thoughts on future values?
12c will always underpin 650S prices.
The fact 12c prices have strengthened will have knock onto 650S.
They are also linked to 458 prices which are still string albeit for the same price the Ferrari will be 2 years older.
Whilst 12c was the original I see 650S as a stronger proposition as it addressed the criticism and flaws of 1st gen car
The fact 12c prices have strengthened will have knock onto 650S.
They are also linked to 458 prices which are still string albeit for the same price the Ferrari will be 2 years older.
Whilst 12c was the original I see 650S as a stronger proposition as it addressed the criticism and flaws of 1st gen car
RamboLambo said:
12c will always underpin 650S prices.
The fact 12c prices have strengthened will have knock onto 650S.
They are also linked to 458 prices which are still string albeit for the same price the Ferrari will be 2 years older.
Whilst 12c was the original I see 650S as a stronger proposition as it addressed the criticism and flaws of 1st gen car
Good lord, you are relentless.... The fact 12c prices have strengthened will have knock onto 650S.
They are also linked to 458 prices which are still string albeit for the same price the Ferrari will be 2 years older.
Whilst 12c was the original I see 650S as a stronger proposition as it addressed the criticism and flaws of 1st gen car
Have you convinced yourself yet ?
Guys I'll be honest I have no particular axe to grind here (actually thats not exactly true, I'm trying to buy a 12c/650s at the moment so if anything I should be talking the market down), but what the guys are reporting above is true.
I've been going back and forth between 458s/12cs/650s and then half thinking about just upgrading my 997 Turbo to a 991 Turbo S, and I can get any of those cars handy enough except the 12c/650s in the right spec. I've been close on one, got gazumped, was too slow (i.e. did not call the day the ad went up) on a couple of others.....bascially any decent spider will sell within a week at current levels.
There are actually no 12c spiders for sale at the moment btw because that yellow one is sold. I rang the guy two days after the ad went up and he had someone out with him to see it while I was talking to him, and he bought it.
Now its harder for me to buy since I'm in Ireland but as far as I can see the Macs are selling like hot cakes (for good cars), whereas things have definitely cooled in other areas.
I've been going back and forth between 458s/12cs/650s and then half thinking about just upgrading my 997 Turbo to a 991 Turbo S, and I can get any of those cars handy enough except the 12c/650s in the right spec. I've been close on one, got gazumped, was too slow (i.e. did not call the day the ad went up) on a couple of others.....bascially any decent spider will sell within a week at current levels.
There are actually no 12c spiders for sale at the moment btw because that yellow one is sold. I rang the guy two days after the ad went up and he had someone out with him to see it while I was talking to him, and he bought it.
Now its harder for me to buy since I'm in Ireland but as far as I can see the Macs are selling like hot cakes (for good cars), whereas things have definitely cooled in other areas.
Bunk said:
I've been going back and forth between 458s/12cs/650s and then half thinking about just upgrading my 997 Turbo to a 991 Turbo S, and I can get any of those cars handy enough except the 12c/650s in the right spec. I've been close on one, got gazumped, was too slow (i.e. did not call the day the ad went up) on a couple of others.....bascially any decent spider will sell within a week at current levels.
So why go for the spider? If you are looking to upgrade from a 991 which I'm assuming is a coupe then why not focus on getting the right spec 12c/650s hard-top and don't get dragged into a buying battle for one of the rarer spiders?Well I guess the thought process with McLaren is that due to carbon tub etc theres no performance or other penalty for the Spider. So may as well get one and have the best of both worlds?
Also, I miss having a vert since selling my Carrera GT last year. I'd love to have the ability to have some open top fun.
I'm certainly starting to consider it though.
Also, I miss having a vert since selling my Carrera GT last year. I'd love to have the ability to have some open top fun.
I'm certainly starting to consider it though.
Bunk said:
Well I guess the thought process with McLaren is that due to carbon tub etc theres no performance or other penalty for the Spider. So may as well get one and have the best of both worlds?
Also, I miss having a vert since selling my Carrera GT last year. I'd love to have the ability to have some open top fun.
I'm certainly starting to consider it though.
Oh my, why did you sell the CGT ? - it still sits firmly atop my "need to own before I die" list Also, I miss having a vert since selling my Carrera GT last year. I'd love to have the ability to have some open top fun.
I'm certainly starting to consider it though.
Good luck with your search.
Sarnie said:
Why will it?
Apart from the fact you own a 650s.
Plenty of examples from other marques where this is clearly not the case.
oh really? Name me a few of these 'plenty of examples' where very similar cars that are seperated by a small facelift have the earlier car clearly more expensive. You will not for example see 430s cheaper than equivalent spec 360s, you do not see 997 gen 2 cars (gt3 or c2s) cheaper than like for like 997 gen 1 cars. Or the r8 v10 plus less than the earlier r8 v10. Apart from the fact you own a 650s.
Plenty of examples from other marques where this is clearly not the case.
Gbr/lambo talks a ton of crap but he's right here imo.
isaldiri said:
Sarnie said:
Why will it?
Apart from the fact you own a 650s.
Plenty of examples from other marques where this is clearly not the case.
oh really? Name me a few of these 'plenty of examples' where very similar cars that are seperated by a small facelift have the earlier car clearly more expensive. You will not for example see 430s cheaper than equivalent spec 360s, you do not see 997 gen 2 cars (gt3 or c2s) cheaper than like for like 997 gen 1 cars. Or the r8 v10 plus less than the earlier r8 v10. Apart from the fact you own a 650s.
Plenty of examples from other marques where this is clearly not the case.
Gbr/lambo talks a ton of crap but he's right here imo.
F328 vs F348?
SELON said:
On the Porsche vein...the 993 vs 996?
F328 vs F348?
Sign. Those are massive generation changes between cars and likely a very large difference in production numbers for the ferrari. Surely that is obvious that a 993 to 996 is hugely different compared to a 12c to 650. There's even less real mechanical change in the 650 from 7,2 to 7.1 apart from a new nose. That is the much closer link rather than simply finding an earlier model that is more expensive. F328 vs F348?
SELON said:
isaldiri said:
Sarnie said:
Why will it?
Apart from the fact you own a 650s.
Plenty of examples from other marques where this is clearly not the case.
oh really? Name me a few of these 'plenty of examples' where very similar cars that are seperated by a small facelift have the earlier car clearly more expensive. You will not for example see 430s cheaper than equivalent spec 360s, you do not see 997 gen 2 cars (gt3 or c2s) cheaper than like for like 997 gen 1 cars. Or the r8 v10 plus less than the earlier r8 v10. Apart from the fact you own a 650s.
Plenty of examples from other marques where this is clearly not the case.
Gbr/lambo talks a ton of crap but he's right here imo.
F328 vs F348?
CS v Scud
Superleggera 1 v Superleggera 2
Miura v all four generations that followed
E Type v XJS
DB5 v DB6
Pagoda v the square SL (forget it's number).......
.......Truth and accuracy v RamboLambo
LukeyLikey said:
If you want same generation, CS v Scud, Superleggera v Superleggera 2, DB5 v DB6, 911 v impact bumper car, impact bumper car v SC, Countach LP400 v LP500, E-type series 1 v E-type series 2 and so on.
There are many.
Very similar cars mechanicaly and broadly similar production numbers for a regular production run car. 7.1 997 vs 996mk2 probably is as far as i can tell the closest recent parallel, perhaps 430 to 360. I don't see 70s era 911s as particularly relevant. Just because gbr is bloody annoying with his relentless talking up of his car doesn't mean he's always wrong. If you wish to believe your examples above are a closer fit to the 12c/650 good for you though. Believe what you might wish.There are many.
Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 26th May 08:30
It is unlikely that the 12C will overtake the 650S in prices, but the gap will become very very small.
There are however valid arguments for the gap to be infinitesimal and may be change sign in the long term:
The styling change between the 12C and 650S is significant and not to the taste of everyone.
The 12C is the cohesive one, it is more stylish and likely to age much better than the flavour of the month duck face grafted on the platform. The 12C echoed the timeless silhouette of the McLaren F1.
There are however valid arguments for the gap to be infinitesimal and may be change sign in the long term:
The styling change between the 12C and 650S is significant and not to the taste of everyone.
The 12C is the cohesive one, it is more stylish and likely to age much better than the flavour of the month duck face grafted on the platform. The 12C echoed the timeless silhouette of the McLaren F1.
isaldiri said:
SELON said:
On the Porsche vein...the 993 vs 996?
F328 vs F348?
Sign. Those are massive generation changes between cars and likely a very large difference in production numbers for the ferrari. Surely that is obvious that a 993 to 996 is hugely different compared to a 12c to 650. There's even less real mechanical change in the 650 from 7,2 to 7.1 apart from a new nose. That is the much closer link rather than simply finding an earlier model that is more expensive. F328 vs F348?
isaldiri said:
LukeyLikey said:
If you want same generation, CS v Scud, Superleggera v Superleggera 2, DB5 v DB6, 911 v impact bumper car, impact bumper car v SC, Countach LP400 v LP500, E-type series 1 v E-type series 2 and so on.
There are many.
Very similar cars mechanicaly and broadly similar production numbers for a regular production run car. 7.1 997 vs 996mk2 probably is as far as i can tell the closest recent parallel, perhaps 430 to 360. I don't see 70s era 911s as particularly relevant. Just because gbr is bloody annoying with his relentless talking up of his car doesn't mean he's always wrong. If you wish to believe your examples above are a closer fit to the 12c/650 good for you though. Believe what you might wish.There are many.
Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 26th May 08:30
I wouldn't dream of disagreeing with Rambo, but I think the point was that there are exceptions to the rule.
Anyway who knows. It's a bit like working out what clothes are going to be retro cool in 10-20 years time. I have no clue.
I buy cars on the basis that they depreciate, so I can focus on just the one thing I bought it for: to drive it for pleasure. Which it does remarkably well. It also happens to look great and is well put together.
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