The Plauditts keep coming

[RamboLambo]

Different gravy baby

Smiles in buckets, Proper thoroughbred, True supercar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...

[Wilmslowboy]

I was on the IOM for the weekend......having fun on the mountain roads in the sun ....

In our group there were 3 675LTs and about half a dozen 12Cs (coupe & spyders)


Strangely zero 650s ???? What's going in.....have you driven all the owners into hiding ?

[cc8s]

I'm guessing you have ignored his 675LT video then

We get it, you love your 650S and want to talk up the values before you sell it to buy another car that you will talk up incessantly

[twoblacklines]

RamboLambo said:

Different gravy baby

Smiles in buckets, Proper thoroughbred, True supercar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...

An actual relevent video considering he owns a modified F12, a 991 GT3, as well as used to having a Speciale and R8 V10 Plus (at the same time as the former 2). So obviously he knows what he is talking about unlike say, Seb Delanny.

[Bispal]

James drove the 650 spider before he drove the 675LT of which he states "the best car I have ever driven", just to reiterate that he drove the 675 AFTER he drove the 650, the footage of which is here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msu23raltng

Of course they are both brilliant and if they were the same price you would get the LT every-time, but they are not the same price and only one of them is available to purchase new at your McLaren dealer. If the LT wasn't better than the 650 what would be the point of it? The 12C is still the best looking, I can confirm this to be true after viewing several thousand images of all McLarens in all variations and colours.....

Edited by Bispal on Wednesday 1st June 13:05

[flemke]

twoblacklines said:

RamboLambo said:

Different gravy baby

Smiles in buckets, Proper thoroughbred, True supercar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...

An actual relevent video considering he owns a modified F12, a 991 GT3, as well as used to having a Speciale and R8 V10 Plus (at the same time as the former 2). So obviously he knows what he is talking about unlike say, Seb Delanny.

In fairness, the video guy's ownership history demonstrates that he has access to money, not necessarily access to a brain.

[greenbandit641]

Bispal said:

James drove the 650 spider before he drove the 675LT of which he states "the best car I have ever driven", just to reiterate that he drove the 675 AFTER he drove the 650, the footage of which is here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msu23raltng

Of course they are both brilliant and if they were the same price you would get the LT every-time, but they are not the same price and only one of them is available to purchase new at your McLaren dealer. If the LT wasn't better than the 650 what would be the point of it? The 12C is still the best looking, I can confirm this to be true after viewing several thousand images of all McLarens in all variations and colours.....

I have watched many of Mr JWW's videos on YouTube and to be fair the guy is ok but the only thing I took away from his video on the 675LT Spider was that the thing that impressed him the most was the pop backs from the exhaust, it's seems that's the most important thing about the car?
I have never driven the 675LT but would like to think it has much more to offer than the noise for another 150k

Edited by Bispal on Wednesday 1st June 13:05[/footnote]

[footnote]Edited by greenbandit641 on Wednesday 1st June 16:43

[koorby]

JWW is generally clueless about the cars he owns and drives, his YT video of his 570S test drive is so cringe-worthy, I'm surprised the Mclaren Manchester sales rep did not slap him.

Shmee however, I can listen to and watch because he is super dialed into the tech of every car he owns and reviews. There's a few priceless moments over the past year when Shmee has to correct JWW's lack of knowledge in videos they're both been in.

There's a growing collection of cashed-up YouTubers who are generally altruistic in the extreme and crave attention that way. Better to own a Macca anonymously and enjoy the car for what it is.

[Gandahar]

"you can no longer get the 675LT" apparently.

Yes you can. Also seems quite a bargain, if something being sold 2nd hand at same sort of price it was new can be a bargain.

I know Flemke objected to the way Mclaren introduced the Spyder version but the 675LT coupe is 40kg lighter and now the prices have not shot off due to the Spyder version. Given that is seems a good choice with heart and head for the 2nd hand buyer.

It's interesting to see how the 650 Le Mans fits into this upper segment

http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a240/cars-for-s...

£260k and looks better than the 675LT apart from the rear. Could MSO do a retrofit 675LT rear to the 650 Le Mans to make the perfect Mclaren? It looks quite a simple job

Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 2nd June 13:56

[Bispal]

Gandahar said:

"you can no longer get the 675LT" apparently.

Yes you can. Also seems quite a bargain, if something being sold 2nd hand at same sort of price it was new can be a bargain.

I know Flemke objected to the way Mclaren introduced the Spyder version but the 675LT coupe is 40kg lighter and now the prices have not shot off due to the Spyder version. Given that is seems a good choice with heart and head for the 2nd hand buyer.

It's interesting to see how the 650 Le Mans fits into this upper segment

http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a240/cars-for-s...

£260k and looks better than the 675LT apart from the rear. Could MSO do a retrofit 675LT rear to the 650 Le Mans to make the perfect Mclaren? It looks quite a simple job

Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 2nd June 13:56

The le-mans is very sexy looking, i like it a lot. I dont think it has any preformance advantage over a 650 thought. The engine in the LT is practically rebuilt with very expensive and lighter parts, as noted on the press release:-

Lightweight connecting rods, bespoke camshafts and a new electronic recirculation valve, all maximise engine response, while 300 percent stiffer engine mounts optimise the connection between driver and road surface.

New machined-from-solid turbocharger compressor wheels maximise airflow to the combustion chambers, and an optimised fuel pump increases fuel flow. The combined result is breathtaking performance.

[isaldiri]

Gandahar said:

"you can no longer get the 675LT" apparently.

Yes you can. Also seems quite a bargain, if something being sold 2nd hand at same sort of price it was new can be a bargain.

I know Flemke objected to the way Mclaren introduced the Spyder version but the 675LT coupe is 40kg lighter and now the prices have not shot off due to the Spyder version. Given that is seems a good choice with heart and head for the 2nd hand buyer.

It's interesting to see how the 650 Le Mans fits into this upper segment

http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a240/cars-for-s...

£260k and looks better than the 675LT apart from the rear. Could MSO do a retrofit 675LT rear to the 650 Le Mans to make the perfect Mclaren? It looks quite a simple job

Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 2nd June 13:56

The 650 is just basically a MSO parts bin special with unique wheels, nothing at all different mechanically and the 675 is far more special a car.

And the perfect Mclaren (well P11 Mclaren anyway) imo would be a 675 with the 12c style headlights.

[twoblacklines]

koorby said:

JWW is generally clueless about the cars he owns and drives, his YT video of his 570S test drive is so cringe-worthy, I'm surprised the Mclaren Manchester sales rep did not slap him.

Shmee however, I can listen to and watch because he is super dialed into the tech of every car he owns and reviews. There's a few priceless moments over the past year when Shmee has to correct JWW's lack of knowledge in videos they're both been in.

There's a growing collection of cashed-up YouTubers who are generally altruistic in the extreme and crave attention that way. Better to own a Macca anonymously and enjoy the car for what it is.

Because Shmee buys a car to make cash on youtube and to sell it on for money as apposed to JWW who buys cars to drive them?

JWW has done gumball 5 years in a row, he isn't new to them. I don't specifically know all the tech details on the 675LT so if I bought one that would make my opinion st!? Wierd logic.

[twoblacklines]

Gandahar said:

"you can no longer get the 675LT" [/footnote]

He said "You can no longer get a 675LT spider" and he is correct, because they are all sold, all 500 of them. He can't order one because there are none left. There aren't any second hand, they have literally just made #501.

[flemke]

Gandahar said:

"you can no longer get the 675LT" apparently.

Yes you can. Also seems quite a bargain, if something being sold 2nd hand at same sort of price it was new can be a bargain.

I know Flemke objected to the way Mclaren introduced the Spyder version but the 675LT coupe is 40kg lighter and now the prices have not shot off due to the Spyder version. Given that is seems a good choice with heart and head for the 2nd hand buyer.

It's interesting to see how the 650 Le Mans fits into this upper segment

http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a240/cars-for-s...

£260k and looks better than the 675LT apart from the rear. Could MSO do a retrofit 675LT rear to the 650 Le Mans to make the perfect Mclaren? It looks quite a simple job

Regardless of how simple a job it is (and it's not simple, as amongst other things you need new rear wings, which are not exactly clip-on parts), McLaren would not do it, I promise you.

My objection to the Spider was that they promised "500 only", and priced it as 500 only, but they ended up making 1000.

I don't like limited editions, would prefer that all car-makers did no artificially-limited build-runs. Saying that, something from an unlimited, or greatly expanded, build-run shouldn't have a scarcity or restricted-volume price.

[flemke]

twoblacklines said:

JWW has done gumball 5 years in a row....

I would not call that a qualification for anything except possibly the Morons Club.

[greenbandit641]

The 650 is just basically a MSO parts bin special with unique wheels, nothing at all different mechanically and the 675 is far more special a car.

And the perfect Mclaren (well P11 Mclaren anyway) imo would be a 675 with the 12c style headlights.

[/quote]

I find your comment about the 650 being an MSO parts bin special with unique wheels quiet interesting.
You sound like someone who knows what they are talking about? Not.
You mentioned that nothing was different mechanically, 25bhp?, go and do some research before making bold statements, the internals were completely changed on the engine to gain the extra BHP, but don't take my word for it.
I've read many of your posts regarding your undying love for the 12C, so it doesn't surprise me when you can't wait to call something that you are probably longing for?
One more thing, what is unique about the 650 wheels? The wheels that are available on the 650 were available on the 12C ?

Mr JWW screams like a girl when he puts his foot down in most cars due to the noise, how are we supposed to take any of his videos serious ?, I'm sure my next purchase won't be based on screaming.

Edited by greenbandit641 on Friday 3rd June 18:57

[greenbandit641]

This info was taken straight from Topgear

WHAT IS IT?

Not quite what it was supposed to be. McLaren posited it was a faster, more dramatic-looking and focused sister to the 12C. But 12C sales promptly collapsed, so it became the replacement. The V8 has new heads, pistons and cams plus bigger rads and a new exhaust. That means 650bhp and a socking 500lb ft of torque.

The car has P1-type styling, a surprisingly modified chassis, carbon-ceramic brakes as standard, and carbon fibre doors. The amazingly supple ride of the 12C has been sacrificed slightly, as has the 12C’s subtle visual elegance, but it proves buyers wanted a harder feel and more dramatic looks. The 650S certainly delivers on all those scores

[isaldiri]

greenbandit641 said:

I find your comment about the 650 being an MSO parts bin special with unique wheels quiet interesting.
You sound like someone who knows what they are talking about? Not.
You mentioned that nothing was different mechanically, 25bhp?, go and do some research before making bold statements, the internals were completely changed on the engine to gain the extra BHP, but don't take my word for it.
I've read many of your posts regarding your undying love for the 12C, so it doesn't surprise me when you can't wait to call something that you are probably longing for?
One more thing, what is unique about the 650 wheels? The wheels that are available on the 650 were available on the 12C ?

Chill out. I had a typo there. I meant the 650 Le Mans was a MSO parts bin special of a 650. Apologies for seeming to suggest your beloved 650 not being light years better than the useless 12c. Do however show me some of these posts i have declared my 'undying love for the 12c'. Very interested in that. Posts that state i like the 12c overall more than the 650 and have zero incentive to change do not count by the way.

I would however suggest topgear as the oracle isn't a great idea....

Edited by isaldiri on Friday 3rd June 20:34

[greenbandit641]

isaldiri said:

Chill out. I had a typo there. I meant the 650 Le Mans was a MSO parts bin special of a 650. Apologies for seeming to suggest your beloved 650 not being light years better than the useless 12c. Do however show me some of these posts i have declared my 'undying love for the 12c'. Very interested in that. Posts that state i like the 12c overall more than the 650 and have zero incentive to change do not count by the way.

I would however suggest topgear as the oracle isn't a great idea....

Edited by isaldiri on Friday 3rd June 20:34

No problem if it was a type error, and I never said the 650 was light years ahead or that the 12C was useless, I had a 12C before the 650 and loved it, I only changed as I preferred the look of the 650.
I may be wrong but I'm sure you along with many on the Facebook page for mclarens owners were disgusing how much better the 12C was than the 650 on looks.
If I am mistaken then I apologise.

I didn't just change from the 12c because of the looks, the performance gains also played a part, and the Iris 1 in the 12C was almost useless.
I have said many times that the 12C is the bargain of the century.

[isaldiri]

greenbandit641 said:

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I may be wrong but I'm sure you along with many on the Facebook page for mclarens owners were disgusing how much better the 12C was than the 650 on looks.
If I am mistaken then I apologise.

I

Now i really am mortified.. The very idea that I'd be on facebook and such social media is