Well here it is - the 720S
Discussion
looking at the 720s, obviously its the first major car they've launched since the departure of Ron. Is it just me or has it lost a bit of the design purity that every other car they've launched up til this point has had? Is this the beginning of a backward spiral in terms of their design. To me, it looks like teams were designing different parts of the car that all joined up, it doesn't look cohesive. don't get me wrong there are elements of the design that are fantastic, I just can't look past those front lights/intakes, they garner so much attention (of the wrong kind)! Just my two cents, as I hold the company in extremely high regard.
lestiq said:
looking at the 720s, obviously its the first major car they've launched since the departure of Ron. Is it just me or has it lost a bit of the design purity that every other car they've launched up til this point has had? Is this the beginning of a backward spiral in terms of their design. To me, it looks like teams were designing different parts of the car that all joined up, it doesn't look cohesive. don't get me wrong there are elements of the design that are fantastic, I just can't look past those front lights/intakes, they garner so much attention (of the wrong kind)! Just my two cents, as I hold the company in extremely high regard.
Agree the front light design is controversial and not to everyone's liking but you most definitely have to judge it physically in the flesh and not from poor photo's. The detail and quality of the headlights alone is amazing and overall the design of the whole car is a massive leap forward. Its so futuristic its is literally light years ahead of the competition.
I held off ordering one from the outset because of early headlight photos but having seen it up close, in some ways I wish I had now, although I already have another McLaren in the pipeline so it would of only been a stop gap from the 570S/650S spider in reality.
The best view IMHO is the rear from above where the cockpit and aero looks superb.
lestiq said:
looking at the 720s, obviously its the first major car they've launched since the departure of Ron. Is it just me or has it lost a bit of the design purity that every other car they've launched up til this point has had? Is this the beginning of a backward spiral in terms of their design. To me, it looks like teams were designing different parts of the car that all joined up, it doesn't look cohesive. don't get me wrong there are elements of the design that are fantastic, I just can't look past those front lights/intakes, they garner so much attention (of the wrong kind)! Just my two cents, as I hold the company in extremely high regard.
I totally respect your opinion but could not disagree more. Personally I think this new design language is very bold and should be applauded. To some it will take some getting used to as it is so different but I hope that McLaren continue down this path. They should "Dare to Different” It makes for a real alternative to the other cookie cutter cars that seem to clog the market at the moment
lestiq said:
looking at the 720s, obviously its the first major car they've launched since the departure of Ron. Is it just me or has it lost a bit of the design purity that every other car they've launched up til this point has had? Is this the beginning of a backward spiral in terms of their design. To me, it looks like teams were designing different parts of the car that all joined up, it doesn't look cohesive. don't get me wrong there are elements of the design that are fantastic, I just can't look past those front lights/intakes, they garner so much attention (of the wrong kind)! Just my two cents, as I hold the company in extremely high regard.
The design would have been finalised long ago under Ron Dennis. Has nothing to do with his depature imo and far more to do with Mclaren's chief designer being too far up himself about his biomimicry nonsense.Streetrod said:
lestiq said:
looking at the 720s, obviously its the first major car they've launched since the departure of Ron. Is it just me or has it lost a bit of the design purity that every other car they've launched up til this point has had? Is this the beginning of a backward spiral in terms of their design. To me, it looks like teams were designing different parts of the car that all joined up, it doesn't look cohesive. don't get me wrong there are elements of the design that are fantastic, I just can't look past those front lights/intakes, they garner so much attention (of the wrong kind)! Just my two cents, as I hold the company in extremely high regard.
I totally respect your opinion but could not disagree more. Personally I think this new design language is very bold and should be applauded. To some it will take some getting used to as it is so different but I hope that McLaren continue down this path. They should "Dare to Different” It makes for a real alternative to the other cookie cutter cars that seem to clog the market at the moment
you learn nowt from following the herd.
The only other path is evolving a carefully nurtured marque specific look (911)
Streetrod said:
EVO have a review in their next addition so probably in about 3 weeks or so
May should be an interesting and exciting month for 720S fans and future owners. There will be many road tests / first impressions , probably in Portugal like the 570S launch. Bring it on, can't wait. I hope they do a lap of the Nurbergring, if only to shut my eldest son up!!(Lamborghini Performante fan)isaldiri said:
Mclaren would be very well advised to leave any 'ring times strictly alone and not get involved. Their past history with the 'yes we did it' on the P1 was mortifying.
isaldiri, there is one thing about Mclaren Automotive, they learn from there mistakes! If they do a lap time, they will get it right, and will only do it if they think it is worth it! I am sure the 720S will be faster than the P1, less weight, and does not have a battery that is very likely to run out part way round and then just become a dead weight.It will be interesting to see what happens.
stoatage17 said:
isaldiri, there is one thing about Mclaren Automotive, they learn from there mistakes! If they do a lap time, they will get it right, and will only do it if they think it is worth it! I am sure the 720S will be faster than the P1, less weight, and does not have a battery that is very likely to run out part way round and then just become a dead weight.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
big statement that! my first 720 arrives very soon, will be taking it to silverstone with my P1 as soon as i can in my Jr hands. I dont see how it can be faster than the P1 to be honest. You really have to experience the P1 on track in full attack mode to understandIt will be interesting to see what happens.
woppum said:
stoatage17 said:
isaldiri, there is one thing about Mclaren Automotive, they learn from there mistakes! If they do a lap time, they will get it right, and will only do it if they think it is worth it! I am sure the 720S will be faster than the P1, less weight, and does not have a battery that is very likely to run out part way round and then just become a dead weight.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
big statement that! my first 720 arrives very soon, will be taking it to silverstone with my P1 as soon as i can in my Jr hands. I dont see how it can be faster than the P1 to be honest. You really have to experience the P1 on track in full attack mode to understandIt will be interesting to see what happens.
Around a 'normal' track the P1 will destroy most things, 720S included I reckon. It's down to the aero mainly, i think.
Beefmeister said:
It would undoubtedly be quicker around the 'Ring as I think stoatage17 was referring to, as the P1 can't make it round the whole lap on one battery charge.
Around a 'normal' track the P1 will destroy most things, 720S included I reckon. It's down to the aero mainly, i think.
The 918 (which i also own) does loose power on track. the P1 does not really rely nearly as much on batteries and because it has less power regen is quicker and more stable. Just from my experience interested in hearing from other owners. My educated guess is that the P1 suffers at the ring because race mode is just too low to make it round. its so low i would think it has to drive round in aero mode where it looses the majority of its down force and high speed stability. Attempting a record at the ring (not a race track) would be attempted suicide.... Around a 'normal' track the P1 will destroy most things, 720S included I reckon. It's down to the aero mainly, i think.
woppum said:
Beefmeister said:
It would undoubtedly be quicker around the 'Ring as I think stoatage17 was referring to, as the P1 can't make it round the whole lap on one battery charge.
Around a 'normal' track the P1 will destroy most things, 720S included I reckon. It's down to the aero mainly, i think.
The 918 (which i also own) does loose power on track. the P1 does not really rely nearly as much on batteries and because it has less power regen is quicker and more stable. Just from my experience interested in hearing from other owners. My educated guess is that the P1 suffers at the ring because race mode is just too low to make it round. its so low i would think it has to drive round in aero mode where it looses the majority of its down force and high speed stability. Attempting a record at the ring (not a race track) would be attempted suicide.... Around a 'normal' track the P1 will destroy most things, 720S included I reckon. It's down to the aero mainly, i think.
Please let us know! I am absolutely sure that the 720S is going to be plenty fast enough for me, and the LT version, that I hope to get probably insane!! The reference to the attempted suicide round the Ring,, was that in regard to the 720s or P1?
stoatage17 said:
When do you get yours Woppen? It will be very interesting to hear your views on the relative performance of the 720S v the P1 around a track, I would be surprised if there is that much in it, but yes , you are no doubt right that on most tracks the P1 would have the edge.
Please let us know! I am absolutely sure that the 720S is going to be plenty fast enough for me, and the LT version, that I hope to get probably insane!! The reference to the attempted suicide round the Ring,, was that in regard to the 720s or P1?
I think the computer says my first 720 will be 2 weeks! we are all not sure if that is correct. Im on hols from early may so if its ready when i get back i will be an extremely happy man!Please let us know! I am absolutely sure that the 720S is going to be plenty fast enough for me, and the LT version, that I hope to get probably insane!! The reference to the attempted suicide round the Ring,, was that in regard to the 720s or P1?
The point is the P1 doesnt quite have no lag but it has instant rush, its like the hand of God is pushing you along while the turbos and engine do not need to work hard to quickly spool in to play properly. the rush is insane. I have driven 650 hard which is not that shy of a 675 i hear and it is just nothing like the rush. I expect the 720 to be faster than the 675 but far cloer in power to it than the P1... but we shall certainly see.
Also you must note how hardcore the P1 is, especially in track mode. Spoke to a friend with as P1 and HS a couple of weeks ago and even the HS is much more usable in terms of ride. the P1 really is white knuckle stuff. It will be king of this for a while i think....
Beefmeister said:
It would undoubtedly be quicker around the 'Ring as I think stoatage17 was referring to, as the P1 can't make it round the whole lap on one battery charge.
Around a 'normal' track the P1 will destroy most things, 720S included I reckon. It's down to the aero mainly, i think.
I can't imagine the 720S could be faster than the P1 on any track, even the Nurburgring. Now I'm not a proper race driver by any means, I've never driven the Nurburgring, and I did not track the 720S when I had it. Around a 'normal' track the P1 will destroy most things, 720S included I reckon. It's down to the aero mainly, i think.
I drive my P1 around our local 3.3 mile track as hard as my guts will allow in 20-30 minute sessions and the battery level seems to stay pretty much at stasis. I drove a friend's around Spa for a 20 minute session and, same thing, no battery issues whatsoever. The owner of that car, who does race but is not a pro, says he's never depleted it either and he is way faster than I am. Now maybe a real race driver could deplete the battery during a very fast lap at the Ring but I just can't see how.
Edited by MarkNC on Wednesday 19th April 21:26
woppum said:
The point is the P1 doesnt quite have no lag but it has instant rush, its like the hand of God is pushing you along while the turbos and engine do not need to work hard to quickly spool in to play properly. the rush is insane. I have driven 650 hard which is not that shy of a 675 i hear and it is just nothing like the rush. I expect the 720 to be faster than the 675 but far cloer in power to it than the P1... but we shall certainly see.
Also you must note how hardcore the P1 is, especially in track mode. Spoke to a friend with as P1 and HS a couple of weeks ago and even the HS is much more usable in terms of ride. the P1 really is white knuckle stuff. It will be king of this for a while i think....
I agree! Neither 675LT, MSO HS or 720S give you anything like the rush of the P1, it's still in a whole other league from those also-amazing cars. Also you must note how hardcore the P1 is, especially in track mode. Spoke to a friend with as P1 and HS a couple of weeks ago and even the HS is much more usable in terms of ride. the P1 really is white knuckle stuff. It will be king of this for a while i think....
Edited by MarkNC on Monday 24th April 00:24
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