Well here it is - the 720S
Discussion
Mr JWW, Supercars Of London and SeenThroughGlass (yep, those YouTubers) are all off to Italy next week to drive the 720S, according to their latest vlogs. No doubt Schmee150 will get a guernsey as well.
I suggest then, we'll see a plethora of video reviews from motoring journalists (EVO, AutoCar etc) on YT next week-ish.
I suggest then, we'll see a plethora of video reviews from motoring journalists (EVO, AutoCar etc) on YT next week-ish.
koorby said:
Mr JWW, Supercars Of London and SeenThroughGlass (yep, those YouTubers) are all off to Italy next week to drive the 720S, according to their latest vlogs. No doubt Schmee150 will get a guernsey as well.
I suggest then, we'll see a plethora of video reviews from motoring journalists (EVO, AutoCar etc) on YT next week-ish.
Suspect that there will be an embargo until McLaren decide when it's time for the big reveal.I suggest then, we'll see a plethora of video reviews from motoring journalists (EVO, AutoCar etc) on YT next week-ish.
sone said:
I find it surprising that anyone who gets an early car will sell so soon. I would have thought that when it comes to LT's they may not get an early car, or any car! The cars that may be being offered are launch 720S that no one wants due to wrong colour/spec, ie no gorilla glass, sports exhaust, lifting etc.On the subject of road tests late May seems a bit late, and didn't somebody post a few days back that Evo had announced a road test in a 720S in the next edition, ie early to mid May?
WCZ said:
it's the best time to sell for a car that's unlikely to go crazy in terms of appreciation, playing on those who are impatient with lots of demand and hardly any supply
True WCZ, but you missed my point, crazy to me because you might be put at the back of the queue for future models. If you are only buying the one ,and not bothered about future cars, then I agree.Guyr said:
HIS LM said:
You are of course assuming McLaren bother to track the flippers
They won't. It's not a limited edition car and they're just happy to sell them.stoatage17 said:
flemke said:
Guyr said:
HIS LM said:
You are of course assuming McLaren bother to track the flippers
They won't. It's not a limited edition car and they're just happy to sell them.I have never understood why manufacturers don't simply use an auction process to shift the cars until supply/demand causes the price to drop to the originally intended price.
That way the manufacturer gets the benefit of initial mismatch in supply/demand rather than someone who let's his dealer sleep with his wife etc.
It will stop all the "corruption" with respect to being mysteriously moved down the list.
Just let the market decide who gets the first few cars. If they want to reward loyalty with LT versions they can still do it.
That way the manufacturer gets the benefit of initial mismatch in supply/demand rather than someone who let's his dealer sleep with his wife etc.
It will stop all the "corruption" with respect to being mysteriously moved down the list.
Just let the market decide who gets the first few cars. If they want to reward loyalty with LT versions they can still do it.
WDISMYL said:
I have never understood why manufacturers don't simply use an auction process to shift the cars until supply/demand causes the price to drop to the originally intended price.
That way the manufacturer gets the benefit of initial mismatch in supply/demand rather than someone who let's his dealer sleep with his wife etc.
It will stop all the "corruption" with respect to being mysteriously moved down the list.
Just let the market decide who gets the first few cars. If they want to reward loyalty with LT versions they can still do it.
Are you seriously saying that those with the deepest pockets should get the first dibs on these new cars?? What a daft idea. And what does that do to the value of those cars once production catches up with demand?That way the manufacturer gets the benefit of initial mismatch in supply/demand rather than someone who let's his dealer sleep with his wife etc.
It will stop all the "corruption" with respect to being mysteriously moved down the list.
Just let the market decide who gets the first few cars. If they want to reward loyalty with LT versions they can still do it.
Yes.
Why not?
The market will very quickly establish a fair price and stop the premium over list nonsense that allows "favourites" to continually hold cars for a "free" ride for too long.
If this became the norm you would find that flippers would disappear from the market because they would no longer be able to make a risk free profit and more genuine buyers will get their cars quicker at the price they want to pay.
Besides if you don't think "People with loads of dosh" don't get their cars before you on average you are rather naïve. This way at least they would have to pay for the privilege which would benefit the manufacturer.
I think you would be surprised how effective it would be.
Edit: And why are you worried about "the value" once production catches up? That's the whole point. You would have to factor that it in when you bid in the auction. At least you would be the owner of the depreciation if you are first in the queue rather than the next guy. Think about it some more. In the long run its a much fairer way.
Why not?
The market will very quickly establish a fair price and stop the premium over list nonsense that allows "favourites" to continually hold cars for a "free" ride for too long.
If this became the norm you would find that flippers would disappear from the market because they would no longer be able to make a risk free profit and more genuine buyers will get their cars quicker at the price they want to pay.
Besides if you don't think "People with loads of dosh" don't get their cars before you on average you are rather naïve. This way at least they would have to pay for the privilege which would benefit the manufacturer.
I think you would be surprised how effective it would be.
Edit: And why are you worried about "the value" once production catches up? That's the whole point. You would have to factor that it in when you bid in the auction. At least you would be the owner of the depreciation if you are first in the queue rather than the next guy. Think about it some more. In the long run its a much fairer way.
Edited by WDISMYL on Friday 21st April 17:38
Currently if you get into a cycle of being front of the queue then you get to own these cars for little or no depreciation for the first year at least. Rinse and repeat.
Ironically the bulk of genuine buyers either have to wait for 2 years plus or buy into the depreciation curve. How is that fair?
Ironically the bulk of genuine buyers either have to wait for 2 years plus or buy into the depreciation curve. How is that fair?
So you are saying that the manufactures should be able to make higher profits at the expense of genuine buyers just because they can. And why should one buyer with more money get a car over another buyer who can also afford the car at list price but not afford it at a premium. How is this going to help the perception of the manufacturer in the buyer’s eyes?
This is a guaranteed way to destroy a client relationship. Thankfully manufacturers have more sense
This is a guaranteed way to destroy a client relationship. Thankfully manufacturers have more sense
WDISMYL said:
Currently if you get into a cycle of being front of the queue then you get to own these cars for little or no depreciation for the first year at least. Rinse and repeat.
Ironically the bulk of genuine buyers either have to wait for 2 years plus or buy into the depreciation curve. How is that fair?
Thank makes no sense. Any buyer can put their name down early for a car that is comingIronically the bulk of genuine buyers either have to wait for 2 years plus or buy into the depreciation curve. How is that fair?
You clearly don't understand how a market works.
And yes the manufacturer should absolutely be maximising their profits. That is good for everyone in the long run. It funds better R@D, increases the likelihood of staying business, better wages etc etc.
At the moment they are giving money away by not selling at the optimum price in the first period of sales. And creating dislocations across their customer base.
The market would settle down quickly, for most people not a lot would change - mainly the front end.
And yes the manufacturer should absolutely be maximising their profits. That is good for everyone in the long run. It funds better R@D, increases the likelihood of staying business, better wages etc etc.
At the moment they are giving money away by not selling at the optimum price in the first period of sales. And creating dislocations across their customer base.
The market would settle down quickly, for most people not a lot would change - mainly the front end.
Streetrod said:
Thank makes no sense. Any buyer can put their name down early for a car that is coming
Yes but with an auction the depreciation will get shared more equitably.Besides what do you think happens to your name when you put it down? Currently it is open to the discretion of the dealer.
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