Well here it is - the 720S

[Rosss]

Passed a 720 near work this afternoon. I only saw it briefly going the opposite direction but the car had serious presence, looks like a mix of 918 / NSX! It was only doing around 40mph but the noise was noteable. Those with one on order are going to be impressed I'm sure.

[CarsandLeeds]

ThatnameagainitsTGE said:

Haha I don't think I've been victimised for being a Youtube bellend. Delays across the board from what I've gathered.
Interested though in what others have been quoted

My 570s was pushed back by 6-8 weeks ... Apparently some new computer system for parts order management or something was installed in new year and basically didn't work. Not sure if knock on from that may be impacting 720s builds

[zippycar]

CarsandLeeds said:

ThatnameagainitsTGE said:

Haha I don't think I've been victimised for being a Youtube bellend. Delays across the board from what I've gathered.
Interested though in what others have been quoted

My 570s was pushed back by 6-8 weeks ... Apparently some new computer system for parts order management or something was installed in new year and basically didn't work. Not sure if knock on from that may be impacting 720s builds

Yep being told week 30 now for my LE which translates to end July early August and expect in reality it will be late August

[stoatage17]

zippycar said:

CarsandLeeds said:

ThatnameagainitsTGE said:

Haha I don't think I've been victimised for being a Youtube bellend. Delays across the board from what I've gathered.
Interested though in what others have been quoted

My 570s was pushed back by 6-8 weeks ... Apparently some new computer system for parts order management or something was installed in new year and basically didn't work. Not sure if knock on from that may be impacting 720s builds

Yep being told week 30 now for my LE which translates to end July early August and expect in reality it will be late August

Zippy, is the LE the 720S, or a 540/570? I was told last week that my 720S August build for Sept delivery was on target, and my spec was now locked in. I had 3 months of delays with my June 2016 delivery of my 570S, I got in October! My dealer did lend me their car for 6 weeks which was great. I would be interested to hear others experiences, and I will re-check my delivery. I was told that the next batch after mine would be possibly delayed a month. who knows. I wonder whether some of the very early cars (next few weeks) are beeing delayed to give earely ones to celebs. I do hope not, they should be treated no differently.
Good luck all with your deliveries, I am positive it will be worth the wait!

Edited by stoatage17 on Saturday 6th May 11:24

[Gandahar]

flemke said:

GarageQueen said:

EVO not keen

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review John Barker has written.

He has not one single word to say about the car's steering, brakes or driving position - after all, what do they matter? - and yet he finds time to elaborate criticism of the car's electronic drift control and engine note. Ever heard of priorities, John?

A reviewer might dislike the car - fair enough - but it should not be too much to expect a magazine with the reputation and historic standards of evo to publish a review of substance, not this vacuous crap.

Good post . But don't shoot the messenger Flemke. Here you misfired.

I actually cancelled my Evo subscription this week, which was rather sad as I have been buying it from issue one and I felt it had always carried the Fast Lane magazine banner into the modern age. Now it no longer keeps it's glory days along with it. Even Dan Prosser, the new boy, has left.

In the age of the internet for a magazine to work, whilst reading sat on the bog, you need lengthy long worded articles backed up with the figures.

John Barker is no mug either driving or writing wise, but he just didn't get enough words to express himself properly here. If they had given 10 pages over to John, Richard Meaden and David Vivian writing about it, that's 10 pages with no pictures and small font, then that would have been epic and distinguished itself from evo print and the internet. Wishful thinking though due to rose tinted glasses.

Edited by Gandahar on Sunday 7th May 17:35

[Gandahar]

Maldini35 said:

flemke said:

GarageQueen said:

EVO not keen

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review John Barker has written.

He has not one single word to say about the car's steering, brakes or driving position - after all, what do they matter? - and yet he finds time to elaborate criticism of the car's electronic drift control and engine note. Ever heard of priorities, John?

A reviewer might dislike the car - fair enough - but it should not be too much to expect a magazine with the reputation and historic standards of evo to publish a review of substance, not this vacuous crap.

My thoughts exactly.

Evo sent the wrong man.

Completely wrong, they sent the right man and gave him not enough copy space.

"there are certainly none of the chassis foibles that characterised the first MP4-12C and, to a lesser degree, the 650S – the sensation that there was occasionally diagonal pitching and that the car wasn’t quite as firmly tied down as it could be.

The feeling that ride comfort was gained at the expense of handling was less the case with the 650S and the 720S moves things to another level with exceptional ride comfort for a supercar and the roll- and pitch-free control you’d expect in the corners. "

Is not a couple of paragraphs you could complain about? Who would you send instead to give a better insight to the change since the 12C ?

[Quickmoose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcIgvYzSFm4

30 minutes in - the rise of social media and fall of printed media
47 minutes in Mclaren and social media

[zippycar]

stoatage17 said:

Zippy, is the LE the 720S, or a 540/570? I was told last week that my 720S August build for Sept delivery was on target, and my spec was now locked in. I had 3 months of delays with my June 2016 delivery of my 570S, I got in October! My dealer did lend me their car for 6 weeks which was great. I would be interested to hear others experiences, and I will re-check my delivery. I was told that the next batch after mine would be possibly delayed a month. who knows. I wonder whether some of the very early cars (next few weeks) are beeing delayed to give earely ones to celebs. I do hope not, they should be treated no differently.
Good luck all with your deliveries, I am positive it will be worth the wait!

Edited by stoatage17 on Saturday 6th May 11:24

Yep Stoatage Referring to the 720S.

Basically saying, whatever date you were expecting for your 720S delivery, add at least 8 weeks to it.

Even the week 30 deliveries for the LE's are not locked in stone!!

[flemke]

Gandahar said:

flemke said:

GarageQueen said:

EVO not keen

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review John Barker has written.

He has not one single word to say about the car's steering, brakes or driving position - after all, what do they matter? - and yet he finds time to elaborate criticism of the car's electronic drift control and engine note. Ever heard of priorities, John?

A reviewer might dislike the car - fair enough - but it should not be too much to expect a magazine with the reputation and historic standards of evo to publish a review of substance, not this vacuous crap.

Good post . But don't shoot the messenger Flemke. Here you misfired.

I actually cancelled my Evo subscription this week, which was rather sad as I have been buying it from issue one and I felt it had always carried the Fast Lane magazine banner into the modern age. Now it no longer keeps it's glory days along with it. Even Dan Prosser, the new boy, has left.

In the age of the internet for a magazine to work, whilst reading sat on the bog, you need lengthy long worded articles backed up with the figures.

John Barker is no mug either driving or writing wise, but he just didn't get enough words to express himself properly here. If they had given 10 pages over to John, Richard Meaden and David Vivian writing about it, that's 10 pages with no pictures and small font, then that would have been epic and distinguished itself from evo print and the internet. Wishful thinking though due to rose tinted glasses.

Okay, to be more precise:

flemke said:

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review John Barker has written.

and instead

flemke should have said:

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review evo has attributed to John Barker.

For thirty years John Barker has been a professional writer specialising in motoring. Although he may not have complete editorial control over what the magazine that he personally co-founded ends up publishing attached to his name, it would surprise me if he had no say in it.

Shall we leave it this way - the review itself is simplistic and immature. Either John Barker composed it poorly or he composed it well but his publisher ruined it.

[Maldini35]

Gandahar said:

Maldini35 said:

flemke said:

GarageQueen said:

EVO not keen

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review John Barker has written.

He has not one single word to say about the car's steering, brakes or driving position - after all, what do they matter? - and yet he finds time to elaborate criticism of the car's electronic drift control and engine note. Ever heard of priorities, John?

A reviewer might dislike the car - fair enough - but it should not be too much to expect a magazine with the reputation and historic standards of evo to publish a review of substance, not this vacuous crap.

My thoughts exactly.

Evo sent the wrong man.

Completely wrong, they sent the right man and gave him not enough copy space.

"there are certainly none of the chassis foibles that characterised the first MP4-12C and, to a lesser degree, the 650S – the sensation that there was occasionally diagonal pitching and that the car wasn’t quite as firmly tied down as it could be.

The feeling that ride comfort was gained at the expense of handling was less the case with the 650S and the 720S moves things to another level with exceptional ride comfort for a supercar and the roll- and pitch-free control you’d expect in the corners. "

Is not a couple of paragraphs you could complain about? Who would you send instead to give a better insight to the change since the 12C ?

We can only judge the man on what we read and that would indicate he was the wrong man - despite his history.
Perhaps he was the victim of poor editing - who knows - we can only judge him on his work so far and it came across as a little willful, There maybe even some long poppy syndrome - here's a company getting rave reviews for a bold new car - let's cut them down a peg or two? It's a very British habit.

Of course, he's allowed not to like it but to focus on the sideshow of the drift control (easy to ignore it - the car works fine without it) and an engine note not as glorious as an N/A V12 feels a little small-minded.

Perhaps his full review will balance things out ...and maybe that's the point, to get us all to buy EVO to find out.

[gunner]

Forgive me if this has been discussed already over the course of this thread,but what do people think the 720s will do to 675lt values generally?

[Beefmeister]

Given the reviews of the 720 I don't think LT values will be affected much. I think they'll soften as they're no longer the latest greatest Mac.

I reckon they'll head south of £300k but not much under.

[Sarnie]

gunner said:

Forgive me if this has been discussed already over the course of this thread,but what do people think the 720s will do to 675lt values generally?

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=242&t=1662785

[Beefmeister]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

[barchetta_boy]

The 675 has been softening for a while based on my obsessive scanning of the classifieds over several months. Always a LOT of cars being offered

[stoatage17]

zippycar said:

stoatage17 said:

Zippy, is the LE the 720S, or a 540/570? I was told last week that my 720S August build for Sept delivery was on target, and my spec was now locked in. I had 3 months of delays with my June 2016 delivery of my 570S, I got in October! My dealer did lend me their car for 6 weeks which was great. I would be interested to hear others experiences, and I will re-check my delivery. I was told that the next batch after mine would be possibly delayed a month. who knows. I wonder whether some of the very early cars (next few weeks) are beeing delayed to give earely ones to celebs. I do hope not, they should be treated no differently.
Good luck all with your deliveries, I am positive it will be worth the wait!

Hi Zippy, it seems so obvious now! Thanks for clearing that up. Sounds like it may be bad news on deliveries. Mine may not now arrive if the delays aren't caught up till October/November. I am going to speak to my dealer this afternoon. I will report back was his view on deliveries is!

Edited by stoatage17 on Saturday 6th May 11:24

Yep Stoatage Referring to the 720S.

Basically saying, whatever date you were expecting for your 720S delivery, add at least 8 weeks to it.

Even the week 30 deliveries for the LE's are not locked in stone!!

[stoatage17]

stoatage17 said:

I have been told that my September delivery is in fact a September build, my fault! And the expectation is a 3 week delay for all cars, not just the 720, due to teething troubles with the new SAP computer , at the moment,
So likely winter. I shall most probably delay registering it till Jan. Disappointing, but not the end of the world.

[Gandahar]

flemke said:

Gandahar said:

flemke said:

GarageQueen said:

EVO not keen

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review John Barker has written.

He has not one single word to say about the car's steering, brakes or driving position - after all, what do they matter? - and yet he finds time to elaborate criticism of the car's electronic drift control and engine note. Ever heard of priorities, John?

A reviewer might dislike the car - fair enough - but it should not be too much to expect a magazine with the reputation and historic standards of evo to publish a review of substance, not this vacuous crap.

Good post . But don't shoot the messenger Flemke. Here you misfired.

I actually cancelled my Evo subscription this week, which was rather sad as I have been buying it from issue one and I felt it had always carried the Fast Lane magazine banner into the modern age. Now it no longer keeps it's glory days along with it. Even Dan Prosser, the new boy, has left.

In the age of the internet for a magazine to work, whilst reading sat on the bog, you need lengthy long worded articles backed up with the figures.

John Barker is no mug either driving or writing wise, but he just didn't get enough words to express himself properly here. If they had given 10 pages over to John, Richard Meaden and David Vivian writing about it, that's 10 pages with no pictures and small font, then that would have been epic and distinguished itself from evo print and the internet. Wishful thinking though due to rose tinted glasses.

Okay, to be more precise:

flemke said:

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review John Barker has written.

and instead

flemke should have said:

No, and what an extraordinarily juvenile and superficial review evo has attributed to John Barker.

For thirty years John Barker has been a professional writer specialising in motoring. Although he may not have complete editorial control over what the magazine that he personally co-founded ends up publishing attached to his name, it would surprise me if he had no say in it.

Shall we leave it this way - the review itself is simplistic and immature. Either John Barker composed it poorly or he composed it well but his publisher ruined it.

Hello Flemke,

Having read the piece now in Evo, which got dropped through the door today, it is definitely that it got snipped a lot. He mentions driving position and also steering feel, a whole paragraph. I guess nowadays the cars are getting more complex and the need for a magazine publisher to have someone buy the mag even after reading the web article ends up making the web article a precis.

I didn't mean to be bolshy by the way on my reply, just thought you had hot the wrong person with your note of disappointment; I agree with what you said.

PS Still gives me a chuckle regarding your comment on the front lights, er, spaces, looking like they were done by Peter Wheeler's dog. The final link between Mclaren and TVR

[flemke]

Gandahar said:

Hello Flemke,

Having read the piece now in Evo, which got dropped through the door today, it is definitely that it got snipped a lot. He mentions driving position and also steering feel, a whole paragraph. I guess nowadays the cars are getting more complex and the need for a magazine publisher to have someone buy the mag even after reading the web article ends up making the web article a precis.

I didn't mean to be bolshy by the way on my reply, just thought you had hot the wrong person with your note of disappointment; I agree with what you said.

PS Still gives me a chuckle regarding your comment on the front lights, er, spaces, looking like they were done by Peter Wheeler's dog. The final link between Mclaren and TVR

Cheers.

[stoatage17]

It will be interesting to see how the 720s compares with the 488 in Autocar this week, and also how fast the 720s really is when they do all the acceleration tests (I assume they will). Its whether, assuming the 720S is a better car, they will dare to put Mclaren ahead of Ferrari after the Ferrari 456 and 488 have been considered the benchmark for nearly a decade.