Well here it is - the 720S
Discussion
stoatage17 said:
It will be interesting to see how the 720s compares with the 488 in Autocar this week, and also how fast the 720s really is when they do all the acceleration tests (I assume they will). Its whether, assuming the 720S is a better car, they will dare to put Mclaren ahead of Ferrari after the Ferrari 456 and 488 have been considered the benchmark for nearly a decade.
I would be surprised if they did not put it ahead of the Ferraris. My question is whether they will put it ahead of the 675LT or even the P1.Even if its better than a 675LT or P1 the journo's are unlikely to say that.
They want exciting stories and drifting cars sideways, cracks and bangs on exhausts in a race style car always sound more thrilling than a very accomplished regular car.
Practicalities and daily driveability are left to the owners/buyers who unfortunately sometimes buy into the hype of the overpriced specials which maybe give you 10% more but cost you a lot more
They want exciting stories and drifting cars sideways, cracks and bangs on exhausts in a race style car always sound more thrilling than a very accomplished regular car.
Practicalities and daily driveability are left to the owners/buyers who unfortunately sometimes buy into the hype of the overpriced specials which maybe give you 10% more but cost you a lot more
RamboLambo said:
Even if its better than a 675LT or P1 the journo's are unlikely to say that.
They want exciting stories and drifting cars sideways, cracks and bangs on exhausts in a race style car always sound more thrilling than a very accomplished regular car.
Practicalities and daily driveability are left to the owners/buyers who unfortunately sometimes buy into the hype of the overpriced specials which maybe give you 10% more but cost you a lot more
Usually, yes, but I think Matt Prior of Autocar strikes a good balance between on-track shenanigans and real world usability.They want exciting stories and drifting cars sideways, cracks and bangs on exhausts in a race style car always sound more thrilling than a very accomplished regular car.
Practicalities and daily driveability are left to the owners/buyers who unfortunately sometimes buy into the hype of the overpriced specials which maybe give you 10% more but cost you a lot more
flemke said:
RamboLambo said:
Even if its better than a 675LT or P1 the journo's are unlikely to say that.
They want exciting stories and drifting cars sideways, cracks and bangs on exhausts in a race style car always sound more thrilling than a very accomplished regular car.
Practicalities and daily driveability are left to the owners/buyers who unfortunately sometimes buy into the hype of the overpriced specials which maybe give you 10% more but cost you a lot more
Usually, yes, but I think Matt Prior of Autocar strikes a good balance between on-track shenanigans and real world usability.They want exciting stories and drifting cars sideways, cracks and bangs on exhausts in a race style car always sound more thrilling than a very accomplished regular car.
Practicalities and daily driveability are left to the owners/buyers who unfortunately sometimes buy into the hype of the overpriced specials which maybe give you 10% more but cost you a lot more
flemke said:
I would be surprised if they did not put it ahead of the Ferraris. My question is whether they will put it ahead of the 675LT or even the P1.
I could see the 720S possibly being faster around a track than the 675LT - the numbers indicate it could be. But I can't imagine it can actually keep up to the P1 despite the extra mass of the P1. It just doesn't have the massive acceleration boost that the P1 has once you're moving and McLaren claims it brakes almost as well as P1 but not as well which doesn't surprise me because the P1 brakes are just amazing. The P1 can really rocket out of corners like nothing else I've ever driven except maybe Porsche 918. When I had the 720S for a few days I drove it over to the offsite garage where I store whatever cars aren't in my home garage. The route to that garage can include some beautiful twisty country roads where you can get into some 'spirited' driving which I did. When I got to the garage I took the P1 out for drive to get a sense where the 720S stands in comparison. So, after driving the 720S in a 'spirited' way I did the same with the P1. The P1 still felt much faster. Now that doesn't mean it is faster because the P1 adds all kind of drama in terms of noise, vibration, thrust and very quick steering so it's possible it feels faster than it is. But it still felt considerably faster the same way it still feels faster after getting out of the 675LT or MSO HS. I've seen journalists claim the 675LT is almost as fast as the P1 around a track but my own testing at COTA proved that to be incorrect. What I did find is that the 675LT was more confidence-inspiring than the P1 (which can be scary at times) so I went faster in 675LT for a while. After using the LT to build up confidence around the track I was considerably faster again in the P1. I have no doubt McLaren will have a faster, less expensive, less/un-limited, car than the P1 in the next few years but I'd be very surprised if the 720S were actually there yet and my guy told me it wasn't when I drove them both. Regardless, it's still freaking fast and so incredibly rewarding to drive! Can't wait for mine to arrive this summer!
Edited by MarkNC on Tuesday 23 May 15:25
stoatage17 said:
It will be interesting to see how the 720s compares with the 488 in Autocar this week, and also how fast the 720s really is when they do all the acceleration tests (I assume they will). Its whether, assuming the 720S is a better car, they will dare to put Mclaren ahead of Ferrari after the Ferrari 456 and 488 have been considered the benchmark for nearly a decade.
I truly never fail to understand why people seem to care that much about what journalists think of a car. Is it that important for owners of a car to get validation from a journalist who in most of the reviews I've seen has done little than gorming witlessly at the camera trying to slide the car around in a manner guaranteed to go through tyres faster than you could physically burn the cash needed to buy them and has little to no relation to the way any owner would drive his car....isaldiri said:
I truly never fail to understand why people seem to care that much about what journalists think of a car. Is it that important for owners of a car to get validation from a journalist who in most of the reviews I've seen has done little than gorming witlessly at the camera trying to slide the car around in a manner guaranteed to go through tyres faster than you could physically burn the cash needed to buy them and has little to no relation to the way any owner would drive his car....
What you say is true isaldiri, but there are some great motoring journalists, and Autocar has a few, and I respect their views..However, they are also a bit set in their ways, and for a Mclaren to beat the 488, it will have to be amazing!
isaldiri said:
stoatage17 said:
It will be interesting to see how the 720s compares with the 488 in Autocar this week, and also how fast the 720s really is when they do all the acceleration tests (I assume they will). Its whether, assuming the 720S is a better car, they will dare to put Mclaren ahead of Ferrari after the Ferrari 456 and 488 have been considered the benchmark for nearly a decade.
I truly never fail to understand why people seem to care that much about what journalists think of a car. Is it that important for owners of a car to get validation from a journalist who in most of the reviews I've seen has done little than gorming witlessly at the camera trying to slide the car around in a manner guaranteed to go through tyres faster than you could physically burn the cash needed to buy them and has little to no relation to the way any owner would drive his car....For many, however, it's the best chance one will have prior to committing to buy a car, especially a new car, to get a sense of what the car is like. It can be difficult to get a test drive on a proper driving road, and it is usually impossible to get a test drive on a circuit.
flemke said:
No doubt validation is meaningful for some people.
For many, however, it's the best chance one will have prior to committing to buy a car, especially a new car, to get a sense of what the car is like. It can be difficult to get a test drive on a proper driving road, and it is usually impossible to get a test drive on a circuit.
This all assumes that the journalist reviews are actually accurate to the ownership experience and tell a potential owner something meaningful about a car they might be considering which tends to be tricky when the greater part of some reviews seems to be the reviewer making orgasmic noises at the camera while sliding the car around...... I've been sad enough to have read a lot of reviews/comparison tests from so called 'famous'/well regarded journalists and imo the gap between what reviews say (even allowing for some degree of new car hype which journalists are always infected by) and the actual experience of driving one of the reviewed cars is very large and imo increasingly getting bigger.For many, however, it's the best chance one will have prior to committing to buy a car, especially a new car, to get a sense of what the car is like. It can be difficult to get a test drive on a proper driving road, and it is usually impossible to get a test drive on a circuit.
isaldiri said:
This all assumes that the journalist reviews are actually accurate to the ownership experience and tell a potential owner something meaningful about a car they might be considering which tends to be tricky when the greater part of some reviews seems to be the reviewer making orgasmic noises at the camera while sliding the car around...... I've been sad enough to have read a lot of reviews/comparison tests from so called 'famous'/well regarded journalists and imo the gap between what reviews say (even allowing for some degree of new car hype which journalists are always infected by) and the actual experience of driving one of the reviewed cars is very large and imo increasingly getting bigger.
You seam to expecting a factual test report, rather than journalistic opinion. Very different things.Only you as a buyer will know if you like a car or not, and very rarely will that be based only on how it drives. Expecting a comparison test to give a definitive answer as to whether you will like it or not, especially between cars at this performance level is unrealistic IMHO.
Hi Folks
So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today
) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights
• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1
Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.
To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"
Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.
So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands
So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today
) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1
Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.
To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"
Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.
So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands
So Autocar gave the nod to the 720s, and the performance figures unbelievable, almost 5 seconds quicker to 150mph than the 488, 15and abit seconds as opposed to 20, and 0.8 of a second slower than the P1 to 190. almost a second faster round the handling track, and 11 seconds round the wet track than the P1. Absolutely astonishing. Even breaks quicker!
I am sure it does not have quite the adrenalin rush of the P1, but by gum it is mighty impressive. So proud to be British, and over the moon that mine will be here later this year.
I know these reports don't matter to some, but it adds to the sense of anticipation and excitement to read such a report. I can not believe that those who do not care would be happy if the reports were average. I certainly would not!
I am sure it does not have quite the adrenalin rush of the P1, but by gum it is mighty impressive. So proud to be British, and over the moon that mine will be here later this year.
I know these reports don't matter to some, but it adds to the sense of anticipation and excitement to read such a report. I can not believe that those who do not care would be happy if the reports were average. I certainly would not!
stoatage17 said:
So Autocar gave the nod to the 720s, and the performance figures unbelievable, almost 5 seconds quicker to 150mph than the 488, 15and abit seconds as opposed to 20, and 0.8 of a second slower than the P1 to 190. almost a second faster round the handling track, and 11 seconds round the wet track than the P1. Absolutely astonishing. Even breaks quicker!
I am sure it does not have quite the adrenalin rush of the P1, but by gum it is mighty impressive. So proud to be British, and over the moon that mine will be here later this year.
I know these reports don't matter to some, but it adds to the sense of anticipation and excitement to read such a report. I can not believe that those who do not care would be happy if the reports were average. I certainly would not!
Sorry all, I missed Streetrod's far better rendering of the facts and figures than mine!I am sure it does not have quite the adrenalin rush of the P1, but by gum it is mighty impressive. So proud to be British, and over the moon that mine will be here later this year.
I know these reports don't matter to some, but it adds to the sense of anticipation and excitement to read such a report. I can not believe that those who do not care would be happy if the reports were average. I certainly would not!
Streetrod said:
Hi Folks
So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights
• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1
Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.
To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"
Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.
So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands
Does the article compare it with the Huracan Performante? It will brake from 62-0mph in ~31 metres.So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today
) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1
Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.
To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"
Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.
So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands
Yipper said:
Streetrod said:
Hi Folks
So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights
• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1
Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.
To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"
Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.
So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands
Does the article compare it with the Huracan Performante? It will brake from 62-0mph in ~31 metres.So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today
) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1
Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.
To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"
Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.
So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands
MDL111 said:
Obviously the figures above must be off by c./exactly 10 meters - a P1 or pretty much any sportscar will not need 40m to brake from 100 kph
They are off. The article said the 720S would brake from 70 MPH to 0 in 39.9m and the P1 would brake from 70 MPH to 0 in 40.9mThe P1 still beat the 720S in all the acceleration figures shown. They basically showed a chart with every 0-60 speed in 10mph increments and the P1 owned all of them. But the 720S had a small advantage in that the temperature was warmer (22 deg C and Sunny for 720S vs. 18 deg C and Dry for the P1) which is probably why it beat the P1 even on that short track. Also I assume the P1 would have been on Corsa tires and 720S on the new compound P-Zeros which to me felt way better than the old compound Corsa tires - especially in the wet.
But even still the 720S beat the P1 around Autocar's circuit! I doubt it could repeat that feat at a longer track like Spa but clearly it's one hell of a fast car on track! Can't wait!
Yipper said:
Streetrod said:
Hi Folks
So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights
• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1
Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.
To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"
Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.
So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands
Does the article compare it with the Huracan Performante? It will brake from 62-0mph in ~31 metres.So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today
) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1
Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.
To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"
Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.
So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
And surely far less of a butt clenching liability to drive out in the open...... the £1.5m car that the P1 is, can't be much fun to have out and about or hiring around a track for the little 'what if' voice at the back of the mind ?
Nah! If you own a car like that you can't have that attitude. I've got over 7,500 miles on my P1 and I've taken it to the track a bunch as well. It's insured for considerably more than what I paid for it but still less than it would cost to replace. The thing about the P1 is that although it can overwhelm your senses a bit, when you've got your foot pressed down too hard, it's an absolutely lovely car to drive on road and track. The steering is super-precise, you can place it so perfectly around a corner, and it's extremely predictable provided you don't do something stupid. It's got so much torque on tap that you can also rotate it with your right foot. It takes a while to get used to all that and learn how to coax the best results out of it but with enough saddle time it can be one of the most rewarding cars ever made.You never get tired of driving it. MarkNC said:
MDL111 said:
Obviously the figures above must be off by c./exactly 10 meters - a P1 or pretty much any sportscar will not need 40m to brake from 100 kph
They are off. The article said the 720S would brake from 70 MPH to 0 in 39.9m and the P1 would brake from 70 MPH to 0 in 40.9mStreetrod said:
I have yet to see an independent test of the Performante, are you quoting factory figures? The 720s numbers are actually independent test numbers
It's an independent test of a factory car. Not exactly a fully independent test either....MarkNC said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
And surely far less of a butt clenching liability to drive out in the open...... the £1.5m car that the P1 is, can't be much fun to have out and about or hiring around a track for the little 'what if' voice at the back of the mind ?
Nah! If you own a car like that you can't have that attitude. I've got over 7,500 miles on my P1 and I've taken it to the track a bunch as well. It's insured for considerably more than what I paid for it but still less than it would cost to replace. The thing about the P1 is that although it can overwhelm your senses a bit, when you've got your foot pressed down too hard, it's an absolutely lovely car to drive on road and track. The steering is super-precise, you can place it so perfectly around a corner, and it's extremely predictable provided you don't do something stupid. It's got so much torque on tap that you can also rotate it with your right foot. It takes a while to get used to all that and learn how to coax the best results out of it but with enough saddle time it can be one of the most rewarding cars ever made.You never get tired of driving it. Gassing Station | McLaren | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff