Well here it is - the 720S
Discussion
woppum said:
stoatage17 said:
isaldiri, there is one thing about Mclaren Automotive, they learn from there mistakes! If they do a lap time, they will get it right, and will only do it if they think it is worth it! I am sure the 720S will be faster than the P1, less weight, and does not have a battery that is very likely to run out part way round and then just become a dead weight.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
big statement that! my first 720 arrives very soon, will be taking it to silverstone with my P1 as soon as i can in my Jr hands. I dont see how it can be faster than the P1 to be honest. You really have to experience the P1 on track in full attack mode to understandIt will be interesting to see what happens.
Around a 'normal' track the P1 will destroy most things, 720S included I reckon. It's down to the aero mainly, i think.
Spoken to a few journo mates who have driven it at the launch.
Can't say too much, but it does a Spinal Tap on the LT. Turns everything up to 11.
But also supremely comfortable, practical and easy to drive when you want it to. Savagely fast when you're in the mood.
This is a game changer by all accounts.
Can't say too much, but it does a Spinal Tap on the LT. Turns everything up to 11.
But also supremely comfortable, practical and easy to drive when you want it to. Savagely fast when you're in the mood.
This is a game changer by all accounts.
flemke said:
RamboLambo said:
Even if its better than a 675LT or P1 the journo's are unlikely to say that.
They want exciting stories and drifting cars sideways, cracks and bangs on exhausts in a race style car always sound more thrilling than a very accomplished regular car.
Practicalities and daily driveability are left to the owners/buyers who unfortunately sometimes buy into the hype of the overpriced specials which maybe give you 10% more but cost you a lot more
Usually, yes, but I think Matt Prior of Autocar strikes a good balance between on-track shenanigans and real world usability.They want exciting stories and drifting cars sideways, cracks and bangs on exhausts in a race style car always sound more thrilling than a very accomplished regular car.
Practicalities and daily driveability are left to the owners/buyers who unfortunately sometimes buy into the hype of the overpriced specials which maybe give you 10% more but cost you a lot more
MarkNC said:
Yipper said:
For balance -- the P1 handling is a disaster at the first sign of rain. The car has been known to spin out on a straight wet road at speeds as low as ~80mph.
That's not been my experience. I've driven my P1 in the rain plenty of times without incident. In fact that's the reason I ordered it with two sets of wheels - one with Corsa tires that are OK in the rain and one with Trofeo R tires that aren't very good in rain and/or cold. I use the Corsas as my regular street tires and mount the Trofeos on for most track days. I have tracked in the Corsas as well. I've been on wet tracks with the car and it was fine. The trick to driving in the rain, in any high-powered performance car, is to not be an idiot and don't try to break the laws of physics. The new Pirelli P-Zeros that come on the 720S feel amazing and, according to McLaren, are faster than the old Corsas and Trofeos yet deliver pretty good wet weather performance because they have the regular tread instead of the more track oriented Corsas and even more extreme Trofeos. I drove the 720S in the rain and it felt good on those new tires.
BTW the only time I ever spun the P1 was on a bone dry track with the Trofeos tires warmed up plenty. I overcooked a corner then overcorrected. It was embarrassing but the track (Circuit of the Americas) was so wide where I spun I didn't even leave the pavement. Phew!
Highly disappointing that the 720S uses the same nose lift as the old super series.
Speaking to a journo earlier it just takes an age like the old system. Given how quick Porsche's system is on the GT3 and the Ford GT's lift takes half a second it really is a bit slack.
And before anyone starts bleating on about how it's a supercar and not important, I've done many many miles in 650Ss and the lift really is ridiculously slow. Not sure how long it is, but if you're in traffic and have to stop to raise it, it feels like an age. Plus these cars are meant to be every day usable so being unable to go over a speed bump is a big issue for many.
That was no issue on the 1st gen SS as it was their first attempt, but for the second gen they really should have done something better.
Speaking to a journo earlier it just takes an age like the old system. Given how quick Porsche's system is on the GT3 and the Ford GT's lift takes half a second it really is a bit slack.
And before anyone starts bleating on about how it's a supercar and not important, I've done many many miles in 650Ss and the lift really is ridiculously slow. Not sure how long it is, but if you're in traffic and have to stop to raise it, it feels like an age. Plus these cars are meant to be every day usable so being unable to go over a speed bump is a big issue for many.
That was no issue on the 1st gen SS as it was their first attempt, but for the second gen they really should have done something better.
I've always liked the nose since I saw it in the carbon.
Really happy to see that Rob Melville (who led the 720S design) has now been made Design Director. Had a long chat with him over dinner and drinks in Geneva and his passion and excitement for the future of McLaren is seriously infectious.
Really happy to see that Rob Melville (who led the 720S design) has now been made Design Director. Had a long chat with him over dinner and drinks in Geneva and his passion and excitement for the future of McLaren is seriously infectious.
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