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TP321 said:
The bottom line is that the main dealer feels that he has to entice the market with a super low price, much lower than anyone else. Which can only mean one thing, that there isn’t much market left for this model. I told you a year ago that this would be no different to the 12c and 650 when it came to residuals or sales discounts.....but some just didn’t listen....
Forgetting the price & manufacturer for just a minute, what exactly do you think of the cars?From 12c to 720s?
TP321 said:
The bottom line is that the main dealer feels that he has to entice the market with a super low price, much lower than anyone else. Which can only mean one thing, that there isn’t much market left for this model. I told you a year ago that this would be no different to the 12c and 650 when it came to residuals or sales discounts.....but some just didn’t listen....
No one listens to you as no one cares what you have to say, have you not figured that out yet....Only an idiot (relative to this forum) would see that price and not add 20% for VAT
Only an idiot of the highest order would then make a dedicated post about it, to further prove their level of idiocy!
Edited by rs200evo on Wednesday 14th March 08:58
t and purchased the cars to drive rather than hoping it would appreciate as an asset.Had 2 650's before the 675 LT, at the price you can currently get one they are performance bargain's annnd no one thinks your a knob in a mclaren 100% positive from the public unlike all the ferrari's/lambo's I prev had 
And yeah TP321 has obv never even enquired about a supercar if he didn't know what Vat Q was
And yeah TP321 has obv never even enquired about a supercar if he didn't know what Vat Q was
ferdi p said:
Forgetting the price & manufacturer for just a minute, what exactly do you think of the cars?
From 12c to 720s?
The cars are good, but the turbo engine robs them of the noise and engagement of a N/A engine. They are fast but you have to drive them at 9/10 plus to really get the buzz.From 12c to 720s?
Warranty is too short at 3 years, and lack of independents means that they will be an expensive proposition as the car gets older. One reason why the 12C is suffering. £5k warranty is too high for a car worth £90k.
McLaren needs to sort this out - parts for the older cars need to be cheaper and the nonsense with the non-fixable gearbox needs addressing...
TP321 said:
The cars are good, but the turbo engine robs them of the noise and engagement of a N/A engine. They are fast but you have to drive them at 9/10 plus to really get the buzz.
Warranty is too short at 3 years, and lack of independents means that they will be an expensive proposition as the car gets older. One reason why the 12C is suffering. £5k warranty is too high for a car worth £90k.
McLaren needs to sort this out - parts for the older cars need to be cheaper and the nonsense with the non-fixable gearbox needs addressing...
I think that's a fair assessment.Warranty is too short at 3 years, and lack of independents means that they will be an expensive proposition as the car gets older. One reason why the 12C is suffering. £5k warranty is too high for a car worth £90k.
McLaren needs to sort this out - parts for the older cars need to be cheaper and the nonsense with the non-fixable gearbox needs addressing...
There are now independent service and warranty options coming through. Thorney Motorsport for example offer a warranty service much cheaper than the factory warranty, and will also 'fix' the non-fixable gearbox at a fraction of the cost of a replacement. Things are improving albeit slowly.
Supercars come with their own frailties, having to drive them hard to overcome their impractical size and to get near the performance levels which justify their price is just part of the game. The higher up the ladder, the more compromised they get, something like a Aventador with it's comic-looks and appalling range will normally leave you hunting for every petrol station in Knightsbridge, but there will be one day when the roads are quite, quick and sweeping that they make sense, same with McLarens. The days when money is less important than the joy of ownership.
TP321 said:
The cars are good, but the turbo engine robs them of the noise and engagement of a N/A engine. They are fast but you have to drive them at 9/10 plus to really get the buzz.
Warranty is too short at 3 years, and lack of independents means that they will be an expensive proposition as the car gets older. One reason why the 12C is suffering. £5k warranty is too high for a car worth £90k.
McLaren needs to sort this out - parts for the older cars need to be cheaper and the nonsense with the non-fixable gearbox needs addressing...
At last, a fair & reasonable opinion!!Warranty is too short at 3 years, and lack of independents means that they will be an expensive proposition as the car gets older. One reason why the 12C is suffering. £5k warranty is too high for a car worth £90k.
McLaren needs to sort this out - parts for the older cars need to be cheaper and the nonsense with the non-fixable gearbox needs addressing...
I personally don't get the 'noise' issue, I genuinely like the noise of my 650, the 458 only sounded better when chasing the red line (which ain't often unfortunately!)
However to my mind, my 650 does everything else better; ride/speed/comfort/handling.
I do think your 100% right when it comes to warranty costs & lack of independents. McLaren need to address this issue if they want a buoyant 2nd hand market.
I suppose we are all different, I don't mind losing money on cars & I just cant bring myself to buy a car based on what it may be worth in time to come. I'll buy a Panerai over a Rolex & 90% of the time the Rolex would have held its money better, but I just don't like any!!
Vat qualifying cars can be advertised either including or excluding the vat, you would have to ask the seller, it’s a grey area!
This car is vat qualifying but clearly includes the vat element in the advertised price
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
This car is vat qualifying but clearly includes the vat element in the advertised price
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Juno said:
Vat qualifying cars can be advertised either including or excluding the vat, you would have to ask the seller, it’s a grey area!
This car is vat qualifying but clearly includes the vat element in the advertised price
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Agreed but when I see a car advertised at 20% less than everything else & see the words 'vat qualifying' then I just put 2&2 together...This car is vat qualifying but clearly includes the vat element in the advertised price
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
ferdi p said:
Juno said:
Vat qualifying cars can be advertised either including or excluding the vat, you would have to ask the seller, it’s a grey area!
This car is vat qualifying but clearly includes the vat element in the advertised price
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Agreed but when I see a car advertised at 20% less than everything else & see the words 'vat qualifying' then I just put 2&2 together...This car is vat qualifying but clearly includes the vat element in the advertised price
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
This ones seems cheap and when I was poking around at the possibility whilst waiting on another manufacturer the sellers we’re very keen to deal and we’re talking discounts
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Price includes vat it appears:
I wonder what it might sell for ?
I’m just editing this as having gone back a couple of pages this looks like the car that might have been £205k + vat, if so gone from £246k inc vat to £212k ?
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 08:51
Charlie360 said:
But isn't it a complete base spec - hence pretty much list price and therefore a little undesirable? I guess you could get it wrapped, add a different exhaust and change the wheels? but no lift etc.
That's why its so cheap. Who spends £200k on a car with no creature comforts and especially Lift ? WTF For 10% more you can get a reasonable spec nearly new car which given all the reviews is still a bargain if you like the looksRamboLambo said:
Wilmslowboy said:
This is exactly where the trade bids are coming in on my car (today) ......so slightly older, higher mile car next year will be close to £140k
Yeah but trade bids are at least £20k behind going into winter and in spring there is a rebound. You wont actually buy a car retail at £140k next year unless its low spec and high miles. 12C prices which are strong will prop up 650S.The depreciation curve has flattened now so it depends on the whole market place
http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a352/cars-for-s...
Retail one owner nice spec sub £140k
A super car bargain really !
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 10:07
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 10:10
Juno said:
RamboLambo said:
Wilmslowboy said:
This is exactly where the trade bids are coming in on my car (today) ......so slightly older, higher mile car next year will be close to £140k
Yeah but trade bids are at least £20k behind going into winter and in spring there is a rebound. You wont actually buy a car retail at £140k next year unless its low spec and high miles. 12C prices which are strong will prop up 650S.The depreciation curve has flattened now so it depends on the whole market place
http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a352/cars-for-s...
Retail one owner nice spec sub £140k
A super car bargain really !
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 10:07
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 10:10
garyhun said:
Juno said:
RamboLambo said:
Wilmslowboy said:
This is exactly where the trade bids are coming in on my car (today) ......so slightly older, higher mile car next year will be close to £140k
Yeah but trade bids are at least £20k behind going into winter and in spring there is a rebound. You wont actually buy a car retail at £140k next year unless its low spec and high miles. 12C prices which are strong will prop up 650S.The depreciation curve has flattened now so it depends on the whole market place
http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a352/cars-for-s...
Retail one owner nice spec sub £140k
A super car bargain really !
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 10:07
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 10:10
br d said:
garyhun said:
Juno said:
RamboLambo said:
Wilmslowboy said:
This is exactly where the trade bids are coming in on my car (today) ......so slightly older, higher mile car next year will be close to £140k
Yeah but trade bids are at least £20k behind going into winter and in spring there is a rebound. You wont actually buy a car retail at £140k next year unless its low spec and high miles. 12C prices which are strong will prop up 650S.The depreciation curve has flattened now so it depends on the whole market place
http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a352/cars-for-s...
Retail one owner nice spec sub £140k
A super car bargain really !
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 10:07
Edited by Juno on Monday 19th March 10:10
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