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TP321 said:
Why is it always the newbies McLaren owners who take offence?
At least you guys had ample warning and an opportunity to carry out your due diligence. You have made your purchase, so don't now complain of the reality of the brand and its residuals, which are unfortunately a bit rubbish to put it nicely
But it's a great car and you will enjoy driving it a lot.
Newbies ? You mean as opposed to the legions of F1 owners ?At least you guys had ample warning and an opportunity to carry out your due diligence. You have made your purchase, so don't now complain of the reality of the brand and its residuals, which are unfortunately a bit rubbish to put it nicely
But it's a great car and you will enjoy driving it a lot.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 August 10:02
Who do you see complaining ?
Why do you take such pleasure in being such a troll ?
I am sorry that you disagree, but McLaren do need a knocking in order to get their act together.
Everything at the moment is going to the dogs...the F1 is in freefall and bears no resemblance to the glory years. They will not win another race, and will just end up going the way of Williams.
They have entered the supercar market with basically one car which they constantly update and fiddle with, and overproduce it to the effect of causing residuals to plummet. The older cars are a walking time bomb with many components that cannot be fixed or serviced. They have also not been tested so its anyone's guess what will happen in the future.
The dealer network is not large enough, for the cars produced, the warranty is very expensive and a must have on an older car.
I simply cannot see what the ownership appeal is, when Ferrari and Lamborghini offer a far more appealing product, that has been thoroughly engineered, and can be easily and cost effectivley serviced. And one that will retain its value...
Everything at the moment is going to the dogs...the F1 is in freefall and bears no resemblance to the glory years. They will not win another race, and will just end up going the way of Williams.
They have entered the supercar market with basically one car which they constantly update and fiddle with, and overproduce it to the effect of causing residuals to plummet. The older cars are a walking time bomb with many components that cannot be fixed or serviced. They have also not been tested so its anyone's guess what will happen in the future.
The dealer network is not large enough, for the cars produced, the warranty is very expensive and a must have on an older car.
I simply cannot see what the ownership appeal is, when Ferrari and Lamborghini offer a far more appealing product, that has been thoroughly engineered, and can be easily and cost effectivley serviced. And one that will retain its value...
TP321 said:
I am sorry that you disagree, but McLaren do need a knocking in order to get their act together.
Everything at the moment is going to the dogs...the F1 is in freefall and bears no resemblance to the glory years. They will not win another race, and will just end up going the way of Williams.
They have entered the supercar market with basically one car which they constantly update and fiddle with, and overproduce it to the effect of causing residuals to plummet. The older cars are a walking time bomb with many components that cannot be fixed or serviced. They have also not been tested so its anyone's guess what will happen in the future.
The dealer network is not large enough, for the cars produced, the warranty is very expensive and a must have on an older car.
I simply cannot see what the ownership appeal is, when Ferrari and Lamborghini offer a far more appealing product, that has been thoroughly engineered, and can be easily and cost effectivley serviced. And one that will retain its value...
What am I disagreeing with ? Everything at the moment is going to the dogs...the F1 is in freefall and bears no resemblance to the glory years. They will not win another race, and will just end up going the way of Williams.
They have entered the supercar market with basically one car which they constantly update and fiddle with, and overproduce it to the effect of causing residuals to plummet. The older cars are a walking time bomb with many components that cannot be fixed or serviced. They have also not been tested so its anyone's guess what will happen in the future.
The dealer network is not large enough, for the cars produced, the warranty is very expensive and a must have on an older car.
I simply cannot see what the ownership appeal is, when Ferrari and Lamborghini offer a far more appealing product, that has been thoroughly engineered, and can be easily and cost effectivley serviced. And one that will retain its value...
What I don’t understand is why you take the time to dwell so much on an owners forum to continually post in such a negative fashion. I fail to understand what positive contribution you think it is making ?
Do you own a Ferrari or Lamborghini? Have you ever driven a McLaren ?
...and dont get me started on the practice of making a McLaren for every pocket...
"So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
"So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
TP321 said:
...and dont get me started on the practice of making a McLaren for every pocket...
"So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
It’s all coming out now."So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
Wtf is wrong with you ?
TP321 said:
Why is it always the newbies McLaren owners who take offence?
At least you guys had ample warning and an opportunity to carry out your due diligence. You have made your purchase, so don't now complain of the reality of the brand and its residuals, which are unfortunately a bit rubbish to put it nicely
But it's a great car and you will enjoy driving it a lot.
And yet people still buy them because, they have minds of their own rather than listening to you go on and on and on and on like a dripping tap. They depreciate, they’re not a Ferrari. At least you guys had ample warning and an opportunity to carry out your due diligence. You have made your purchase, so don't now complain of the reality of the brand and its residuals, which are unfortunately a bit rubbish to put it nicely
But it's a great car and you will enjoy driving it a lot.
Edited by TP321 on Thursday 23 August 10:02
Clearly there are problems but that’s not been the vast majority of the cars.
Question... Should everyone thinking of buy a Mclaren buy a Ferrari? Do tell...
TP321 said:
...and dont get me started on the practice of making a McLaren for every pocket...
"So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
^ This guy has real issues, best just not responding to him."So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
There seem to be a few individuals who are very bitter at McLaren's success some are so mired in other brands that they cannot bring themselves to appreciate what McLaren are doing to the established supercar order. Those of us who can break free from our historically favourite brands (which is not that difficult when they won't actually sell you the car you want
) and buy these cars very quickly realise that they are currently THE best sports/supercars available today, they are way ahead of the competition.I also suspect that many of these who exhibit the Troll behaviour have been used to the very low depreciation of their brand and in reality cannot afford to run an expensive supercar with "normal" depreciation which exacerbates their anger..... The RL character is just barking and would be amusing if he didn't keep revealing his lack of education with his continual use of "would of" which really annoys me probably because it makes me realise I'm getting old and intolerant.
TB993tt said:
TP321 said:
...and dont get me started on the practice of making a McLaren for every pocket...
"So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
^ This guy has real issues, best just not responding to him."So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
There seem to be a few individuals who are very bitter at McLaren's success some are so mired in other brands that they cannot bring themselves to appreciate what McLaren are doing to the established supercar order. Those of us who can break free from our historically favourite brands (which is not that difficult when they won't actually sell you the car you want
) and buy these cars very quickly realise that they are currently THE best sports/supercars available today, they are way ahead of the competition.I also suspect that many of these who exhibit the Troll behaviour have been used to the very low depreciation of their brand and in reality cannot afford to run an expensive supercar with "normal" depreciation which exacerbates their anger..... The RL character is just barking and would be amusing if he didn't keep revealing his lack of education with his continual use of "would of" which really annoys me probably because it makes me realise I'm getting old and intolerant.
Edited to add: As Gameface states, their status is very subjective. ONE OF the best probably more accurate.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 August 12:05
TB993tt said:
they are currently THE best sports/supercars available today, they are way ahead of the competition.
You're stating your opinion as fact there.TurboCabs (and others) experiences would suggest they are not the best. Reliability and dealer treatment is crucial to the ownership experience.
I've no axe to grind with McLaren at all, but they've left me underwhelmed when I've driven them. Fast but clinical.
If a 720S sounded like either of my (Larini equipped) current cars, I'd have one already. Sound is a primary factor in my purchasing decisions.
There's no right or wrong answer really at this level. They are all fantastic cars. It just comes down to personal choice. But whatever you choose, there's no need to bad mouth the marques you decided against.
Gameface said:
You're stating your opinion as fact there.
TurboCabs (and others) experiences would suggest they are not the best. Reliability and dealer treatment is crucial to the ownership experience.
I've no axe to grind with McLaren at all, but they've left me underwhelmed when I've driven them. Fast but clinical.
If a 720S sounded like either of my (Larini equipped) current cars, I'd have one already. Sound is a primary factor in my purchasing decisions.
There's no right or wrong answer really at this level. They are all fantastic cars. It just comes down to personal choice. But whatever you choose, there's no need to bad mouth the marques you decided against.
Buy one and stick a third party exhaust on it TurboCabs (and others) experiences would suggest they are not the best. Reliability and dealer treatment is crucial to the ownership experience.
I've no axe to grind with McLaren at all, but they've left me underwhelmed when I've driven them. Fast but clinical.
If a 720S sounded like either of my (Larini equipped) current cars, I'd have one already. Sound is a primary factor in my purchasing decisions.
There's no right or wrong answer really at this level. They are all fantastic cars. It just comes down to personal choice. But whatever you choose, there's no need to bad mouth the marques you decided against.
I always do that. As mentioned both my cars have Larini Clubsport exhausts.
I will admit they have probably ruined it sonically for just about every other car on the road. Very little gets close to their sound IMO.
Unfortunately McLarens especially do not compare. I've driven factory sports exhaust and MSO exhaust models and they still didn't do it for me.
Shame.
I will admit they have probably ruined it sonically for just about every other car on the road. Very little gets close to their sound IMO.
Unfortunately McLarens especially do not compare. I've driven factory sports exhaust and MSO exhaust models and they still didn't do it for me.
Shame.
TP321 said:
...and dont get me started on the practice of making a McLaren for every pocket...
"So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
I think the sport series is meant to compete with the 911 turbos(s) /R8s of this world. Personally I would pick the Porsche but at least there is now more choice than ever in this sector which is good thing. Buying a sport series doesn't make you look like a cheap skate. "So if Sir cannot afford £200k+ for a proper mid engined supercar, we can offer you one for £126k...for that we simply turn the turbo down a bit, remove the fancy suspension (that wasn't that well received anyway as it made the car feel floaty), and call it the 540!! Hey we will even throw in the scissor doors to make you feel special and not feel that you are the cheapsgate of the brand..."
I admit to only being a Mclaren lurker at the moment and for most of the reasons contained in the forum posts!
I don’t want to do my brains when enjoying my cars hence the reason I’ve not jumped on board with Mclaren yet! I’ve had Porsche’s, Ferrari’s, Lambos etc and none have ever hurt me too much as far as financials go. The one BIG difference with Mclaren is that I would have done my b
ks each and every time had I took the plunge.
IMO you need a solid used car base and network who are prepared to re sell and service them to sustain,residuals, confidence and therefore provide a stable brand which ultimately supports new car buyers rather than seeing them as cash cows.
I just can’t see too many people who will be repeatedly prepared to take £100k hits every couple of years in order to stay with Mclaren. Yes I would like to try one but I’m not a cash cow so will hold off until there is a sustainable platform offering reasonable cost of ownership.
I don’t want to do my brains when enjoying my cars hence the reason I’ve not jumped on board with Mclaren yet! I’ve had Porsche’s, Ferrari’s, Lambos etc and none have ever hurt me too much as far as financials go. The one BIG difference with Mclaren is that I would have done my b
ks each and every time had I took the plunge.IMO you need a solid used car base and network who are prepared to re sell and service them to sustain,residuals, confidence and therefore provide a stable brand which ultimately supports new car buyers rather than seeing them as cash cows.
I just can’t see too many people who will be repeatedly prepared to take £100k hits every couple of years in order to stay with Mclaren. Yes I would like to try one but I’m not a cash cow so will hold off until there is a sustainable platform offering reasonable cost of ownership.
TP321 said:
I am sorry that you disagree, but McLaren do need a knocking in order to get their act together.
Everything at the moment is going to the dogs...the F1 is in freefall and bears no resemblance to the glory years. They will not win another race, and will just end up going the way of Williams.
They have entered the supercar market with basically one car which they constantly update and fiddle with, and overproduce it to the effect of causing residuals to plummet. The older cars are a walking time bomb with many components that cannot be fixed or serviced. They have also not been tested so its anyone's guess what will happen in the future.
The dealer network is not large enough, for the cars produced, the warranty is very expensive and a must have on an older car.
I simply cannot see what the ownership appeal is, when Ferrari and Lamborghini offer a far more appealing product, that has been thoroughly engineered, and can be easily and cost effectivley serviced. And one that will retain its value...
I do t know the history of TP321 but everything said above is what is stopping me right now from dipping my toe into Mclaren,I would like to experience one but there are just too many uncertainty’s to take the plunge right now!Everything at the moment is going to the dogs...the F1 is in freefall and bears no resemblance to the glory years. They will not win another race, and will just end up going the way of Williams.
They have entered the supercar market with basically one car which they constantly update and fiddle with, and overproduce it to the effect of causing residuals to plummet. The older cars are a walking time bomb with many components that cannot be fixed or serviced. They have also not been tested so its anyone's guess what will happen in the future.
The dealer network is not large enough, for the cars produced, the warranty is very expensive and a must have on an older car.
I simply cannot see what the ownership appeal is, when Ferrari and Lamborghini offer a far more appealing product, that has been thoroughly engineered, and can be easily and cost effectivley serviced. And one that will retain its value...
I am sure that there are many like me out there.
Gameface said:
I always do that. As mentioned both my cars have Larini Clubsport exhausts.
I will admit they have probably ruined it sonically for just about every other car on the road. Very little gets close to their sound IMO.
Unfortunately McLarens especially do not compare. I've driven factory sports exhaust and MSO exhaust models and they still didn't do it for me.
Shame.
I will admit they have probably ruined it sonically for just about every other car on the road. Very little gets close to their sound IMO.
Unfortunately McLarens especially do not compare. I've driven factory sports exhaust and MSO exhaust models and they still didn't do it for me.
Shame.
- third party*
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 August 13:16
RamboLambo said:
I think they see me as an easy victim and don't like it when I give it back.
Nope. They just grow increasingly tired of seeing the same regurgitated viewpoint and posting style ad infinitum so voice their objection to it.RamboLambo said:
Notice how they all gang up like bullies in the playground.
Nope. A popularly held belief amongst many differing persons doesn't add up to bullying does it. You are more than happy to put yourself at the centre of attention, it's obviously something that you crave, so don't bother acting like the repressed if the attention you receive back isn't positive.RamboLambo said:
It's a real shame that they de rail every thread with their pathetic trolling
Jesus. Do you really suffer from such a lack of self awareness that you just can't see the hypocrisy?Gassing Station | McLaren | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff