720S Should I or shouldn't I?
Discussion
garyhun said:
You are of course correct; I'm a convertible guy so I guess that's always going to be my preference. As I said, the 570 is monstrously quick too, I just found the ability of the 720 too much when you decide to push on. I got out of the Spider with a smile on my face and felt like I wanted to get straight back in, the 720 was adrenalin and I felt like I needed to sit in a quiet room for a while 
- maybe that weakness is me, not the car!
Ah got you, interesting that. well the sun's out in the se for a bit it seems so i better try and finally get a drive in one sometime! - maybe that weakness is me, not the car!TP321 said:
dazmanultra said:
As a McLaren owner the 720S just doesn't excite me or induce me to want to change or upgrade in any way, personally. I think it's a fantastic car and mind-bendingly quick but I wonder in a way if we are approaching peak BHP or performance; where cars are so quick they cannot realistically be enjoyed without taking it to a track.
Good point. Performance is now not as important as overall performance of all super cars has reached a level that only F1 drivers can exploit - too fast for the skill of the average owner. Hence aesthetics and other factors such as brand strength will play a more prominent role in people's choice.You always get used to more speed. 300bhp used to feel lightning quick, but is now fairly pedestrian. In a few years, when electric and hybrids take over, 1000bhp will be the new norm and today's 700bhp will feel slow again. Chassis, suspension and brakes always improve to make speed easier to handle.
dazmanultra said:
That's a good point, to an extent it's about the tech but the 12C was technologically advanced and ridiculously quick when it launched - but every practically every review mentioned the feel and noise of the 458 in comparison. It's like McLaren haven't learnt anything.
What's to learn though? Bit pointless building a Ferrari like thing, Ferrari do that already ;-)isaldiri said:
MDL111 said:
I don't get that - why is it surprising that a non-limited (or even limited) production car loses money - even 40k is "only" what, like 15 percent of new price? Seems entirely reasonable to me.
Because if lead times were really a year, the dealers should in theory be happy to offer very strong buyback prices....Streetrod said:
But to address your comment, please feel free to pop into your local dealer and request a build slot, currently, they are quoting over a year. If that is a reflection of a "lack of demand" then I think McLaren have little to worry about.
They tell you what you want to hear...of course they have a years waiting list otherwise no on would order new - simple marketing, but only Ferrari can actually pull it off.The delay at present is to get over the manufacturing problems that they have encountered. But then they will be flying out of the factory once this is sorted, and mysteriously, your main dealer will be selling his demo on a daily basis whilst you wait for yours. In a years time, all orders will have been exhausted and the big discounting shall begin.
If demand was real and not some smokescreen for the stupid and the fanboys, dealers would be wanting all preowned 720s back for resale.
TP321 said:
Streetrod said:
But to address your comment, please feel free to pop into your local dealer and request a build slot, currently, they are quoting over a year. If that is a reflection of a "lack of demand" then I think McLaren have little to worry about.
They tell you what you want to hear...of course they have a years waiting list otherwise no on would order new - simple marketing, but only Ferrari can actually pull it off.The delay at present is to get over the manufacturing problems that they have encountered. But then they will be flying out of the factory once this is sorted, and mysteriously, your main dealer will be selling his demo on a daily basis whilst you wait for yours. In a years time, all orders will have been exhausted and the big discounting shall begin.
If demand was real and not some smokescreen for the stupid and the fanboys, dealers would be wanting all preowned 720s back for resale.
And as I pointed out in an earlier post you absolutely fail to take any notice of the how healthy the financial position of McLaren currently is. If all was doom and gloom as say then the books would be nowhere near as healthy, but you continue to ignore that fact as it does not fit with your agenda
The current price dynamics make perfect sense for a new entrant in this space competing against brands with decades of history. It shouldn't be taken as a reflection of the quality of the cars. That's a mistake people appear to be making.
Given the depreciation that affected previous models there will obviously be a larger risk premium given to the second hand buyer , because reliability unknowns for a new entry and historical price falls will need to be priced in. But time will eventually reduce this relative discount that Ferrari and Lamborghini currently enjoy over Mclaren. The brand will develop - customers will become more confident in reliability, quality of servicing, customer care and a more thought out release schedule of next generation models.
Don't forget that the vast majority of all supercars are financed and therefore their market price is dependent on a high GFV. It makes sense for finance companies to be more cautious with these values with Mclaren at the moment which in turn will lower the price buyers can commit to.
I believe Mclaren attempted to mitigate flipping by restricting the initial orders to specific launch spec. It may have back fired but I can see what they attempted to do - "if you want to be at the front of the queue - fine - but you have to buy from a limited pool of choices - otherwise get in line and wait with everyone else".
If the price drop with 720s is more severe than some of our resident trolls are hoping for it will be more indicative of the wider market, not Mclaren specific. I know which car I would buy at £200k vs what the competition offers at that price level - the 720s without hesitation.
Given the depreciation that affected previous models there will obviously be a larger risk premium given to the second hand buyer , because reliability unknowns for a new entry and historical price falls will need to be priced in. But time will eventually reduce this relative discount that Ferrari and Lamborghini currently enjoy over Mclaren. The brand will develop - customers will become more confident in reliability, quality of servicing, customer care and a more thought out release schedule of next generation models.
Don't forget that the vast majority of all supercars are financed and therefore their market price is dependent on a high GFV. It makes sense for finance companies to be more cautious with these values with Mclaren at the moment which in turn will lower the price buyers can commit to.
I believe Mclaren attempted to mitigate flipping by restricting the initial orders to specific launch spec. It may have back fired but I can see what they attempted to do - "if you want to be at the front of the queue - fine - but you have to buy from a limited pool of choices - otherwise get in line and wait with everyone else".
If the price drop with 720s is more severe than some of our resident trolls are hoping for it will be more indicative of the wider market, not Mclaren specific. I know which car I would buy at £200k vs what the competition offers at that price level - the 720s without hesitation.
Streetrod said:
What you fail to take into account is that if I am about to drop £250k+ on a new toy the last thing I would personally be interested in is a low spec launch addition car. Most I think are not into having the latest toy at all costs. I want to spend time speccing the car as I want it, that's a large part of the experience so I would be willing to wait.
And as I pointed out in an earlier post you absolutely fail to take any notice of the how healthy the financial position of McLaren currently is. If all was doom and gloom as say then the books would be nowhere near as healthy, but you continue to ignore that fact as it does not fit with your agenda
there's not really much to the spec imo aside from colour and whether to get the racing seats / upgraded sound systemAnd as I pointed out in an earlier post you absolutely fail to take any notice of the how healthy the financial position of McLaren currently is. If all was doom and gloom as say then the books would be nowhere near as healthy, but you continue to ignore that fact as it does not fit with your agenda
garyhun said:
isaldiri said:
garyhun said:
Before I drive the 720 yesterday I had an hour in a 570 Spider. Even the Spider was monstrously quick but it was also a real treat simply cruising, especially with the roof down on a lovely twisty road where it flowed through the corners so precisely at sensible speeds.
And the 720 wasn't able to do the same, albeit perhaps at a bit less sensible speeds? - maybe that weakness is me, not the car!jcremonini said:
Was this the McLaren Birmingham event ? If so then I was there too and agree with you completely. The 570 was hugely enjoyable and , considering it's price point, arguably the better value car (I hit 154 on that dual carriageway section with minimal effort) . The 720 was just utterly brutal - so much so that I found the first time I accelerated hard in it I had to slow down purely because I was finding it mentally hard to consolidate with the speed I was doing in such a short time. I also preferred the ride of the 570 - on the sport setting it felt much firmer than the 720 and that's just what I like.
Yes that was the event, I was there on Wednesday.I have a nasty feeling I got hit with the speed camera in the 720 overtaking a learner - luckily I may have been doing 55 in a 50 but the take up of speed is so quick that I'm not sure!
I got a big number down the dual carriageway too in the 570 - the instructor told me off for shifting up too kindly earlier so I gave it everything! Amazing car and I really want one now
WCZ said:
Streetrod said:
What you fail to take into account is that if I am about to drop £250k+ on a new toy the last thing I would personally be interested in is a low spec launch addition car. Most I think are not into having the latest toy at all costs. I want to spend time speccing the car as I want it, that's a large part of the experience so I would be willing to wait.
And as I pointed out in an earlier post you absolutely fail to take any notice of the how healthy the financial position of McLaren currently is. If all was doom and gloom as say then the books would be nowhere near as healthy, but you continue to ignore that fact as it does not fit with your agenda
there's not really much to the spec imo aside from colour and whether to get the racing seats / upgraded sound systemAnd as I pointed out in an earlier post you absolutely fail to take any notice of the how healthy the financial position of McLaren currently is. If all was doom and gloom as say then the books would be nowhere near as healthy, but you continue to ignore that fact as it does not fit with your agenda
Streetrod said:
Have you looked at the configurator, you can spec a great deal more than you have mentioned, and that does not include what can be done with MSO if you feel so inclined and have deep pockets.
yes, i'm very much aware but the majority of those options are extremely overpriced carbon which saves hardly any weight on a car that is already biblically fast and doesn't benefit at all from them. speccing the car is very simple imo
WCZ said:
yes, i'm very much aware but the majority of those options are extremely overpriced carbon which saves hardly any weight on a car that is already biblically fast and doesn't benefit at all from them.
speccing the car is very simple imo
Colour, interior, wheels. Easy.speccing the car is very simple imo
I'm sure McLaren might get a bigger uptake of the exterior carbon if the dark palladium colour parts wasn't standard. It looks identical to the carbon from ~5ft away.
An interesting,honest and informative video from a couple of guys who spend most of their time on the Nurburgring. Here they compare the 720s to the 675LT. One of the drivers has clocked several thousand miles on the ring with the 675LT, so it's safe to say he knows what he is talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRCE3AcAIK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRCE3AcAIK0
Price drop on the ex-TGE 720S. Now down to £263k.
http://www.gvelondon.com/pre-owned/mclaren/720s-lu...
http://www.gvelondon.com/pre-owned/mclaren/720s-lu...
DarthtaterM16 said:
Price drop on the ex-TGE 720S. Now down to £263k.
http://www.gvelondon.com/pre-owned/mclaren/720s-lu...
I don't see why some are excusing the lack of interest in this car, as being down to poor spec. http://www.gvelondon.com/pre-owned/mclaren/720s-lu...
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