The Grand Tour 650S/720S Lap Times

[RamboLambo]

TP321 said:

Well I am glad that you have finally agreed that McLaren residuals lag well behind those of Ferrari and Lamborghini..;);)

So if you want to spend your money on the one that will lose the most, be most difficult to sell, travel the furthest to service, be the most expensive to fix due to lack of specialists, and absolutely must buy their expensive warranty every year, .....be my guest, buy the McLaren. At least you can say that you examined the facts and made the rational, correct decision....

Did someone mention fool?

Small price to pay for the EXCLUSIVITY and superior product of the McLaren brand. Not all of us have to count the pennies and just want the best at any cost.

Whose the cheapskate fool now ?

[Hurri360]

rs200evo said:

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-mclaren-720s-f...

4s faster than a 650s, and even on standard road tyres it was faster than a performante on its special rubber.....

Wow impressive comments and results
Thanks for that. Will look forward to the track test on you tube.

[isaldiri]

HighwayStar said:

You guys, you dish it out but rarely respond to genuine questions.

So again... Should he buy a Lamborghini or Ferrari he doesn't want instead of a McLaren? If so why?

To be fair to TP321, he clearly means that yes someone should buy a lambo or Ferrari as they have better residuals as that's all he is seemingly concerned about.

[HighwayStar]

isaldiri said:

HighwayStar said:

You guys, you dish it out but rarely respond to genuine questions.

So again... Should he buy a Lamborghini or Ferrari he doesn't want instead of a McLaren? If so why?

To be fair to TP321, he clearly means that yes someone should buy a lambo or Ferrari as they have better residuals as that's all he is seemingly concerned about.

Yes... but why concern himself with what other people spend their money on. The stuff him and Yipper peddle with every post. It's nothing that people in the market for these cars don't know. As they say, nowt queer as folk.

[tyrrell]

Unfortunately he only has one record, but least it’s consistent bitterness playing all the time.

[Streetrod]

I am sure TP321 and Yipper must have suffered some kind of traumatic experience at the hands of a McLaren owner or employee at some point, maybe they had their evil way with their mother or something. As I can’t get my head around their rabid dislike of the brand.

When questioned directly they have never given any reason for this single minded hatred and when shown a McLaren coming out on top of any tests they are strangely silent. They are a very odd and strange pair

[Yipper]

The Surveyor said:

Yipper said:

........

They are falling further and further behind Lambo and Porsche. Behind the scenes, Macca and Fezza will be panicking.

And yet, despite Lamborghini being a manufacture for 55 years, McLaren as the new boys on the block sold just about as many cars as Lamborghini in 2017 and are on track to sell more performance cars than them in 2018.

As a performance car manufacturer who's raison d’être is to sell cars, they are hardly 'falling further and further behind Lamborghini and Porsche', and as such, I'm really not convinced they'll be panicking in Woking on the back of your 'facts' and some dodgy lap times on an TV entertainment show.

You should be more worried about the prospects for Lamborghini, propped up by a re-badged Audi SUV and with the inevitability of the next Huracan / R8 using an Audi turbo engine. They're doomed I tell thee.....

McLaren's growth has crashed to a halt in 2017. Could even decline in 2018.

2016 = 3286 cars sold worldwide / +99% YoY growth.
2017 = 3340 cars sold worldwide / +2% YoY growth.

Slowing sales + bad laptimes = panic.

[HighwayStar]

Streetrod said:

I am sure TP321 and Yipper must have suffered some kind of traumatic experience at the hands of a McLaren owner or employee at some point, maybe they had their evil way with their mother or something. As I can’t get my head around their rabid dislike of the brand.

When questioned directly they have never given any reason for this single minded hatred and when shown a McLaren coming out on top of any tests they are strangely silent. They are a very odd and strange pair

Oh but they have..
Yipper: Very poor Ring times and apparently un-driveable in the wet.
TP321: They depreciate more than other cars

There are plenty of cars that don't interest me for one reason or another and things I don't like.I don't feel the need to go jump on forum threads and vent at every opportunity... as you say, a very odd and stranger pair.

[The Surveyor]

Yipper said:

McLaren's growth has crashed to a halt in 2017. Could even decline in 2018.

2016 = 3286 cars sold worldwide / +99% YoY growth.
2017 = 3340 cars sold worldwide / +2% YoY growth.

Slowing sales + bad laptimes = panic.

'Crashed to a halt', 'even decline', 'slowing sales', what a sad little world you live in... meanwhile as posted on the very website you choose to vent your spleen:-

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/mc...

That doesn't sound like 'panic' to me!

[cc8s]

Yipper said:

Could even decline in 2018.

I guess with that sort of 'evidence' we could suggest the same for Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche. I am terribly worried for them now.

[cc8s]

RamboLambo said:

cc8s said:

Why do these threads always draw the same three people? All of whom as biased beyond the point of transparency.

I love it when Rambo buys a new car and starts trashing his old ones; it is a welcome, semi-interesting interlude between interminable proselytizing for whatever his current stead happens to be.

Find me a quote trashing the 650S ?????
I have no bias or loyalty to a particular brand and openly stated I personally don't like the 720S even though I like McLaren brand in general.
Whilst Ferrari is the safest investment I'm disappointed by their current range.
If Huracan performante is the last normally aspirated engine values will follow 458 speciale and why a certain Tony on YouTube won't swap a performante for a speciale despite being a Ferrari fanboy and lambo hater
I can't think of a past car I have ever trashed !

I do beg your pardon - I perhaps have spoken prematurely

[RamboLambo]

cc8s said:

I do beg your pardon - I perhaps have spoken prematurely

Apology accepted and corrected to say Prematurely = Incorrectly

430 Scuderia SOLD Brilliant car with best gearbox I've ever driven despite being single clutch
Lamborghini Gallardo Performante Lp570-4 b SOLD brilliant FUN car despite clunky gearbox. Great engine, looks and sound
McLaren 570S SOLD Incredible supercar performance for sportscar money

[Ferruccio]

Yipper said:

McLaren's growth has crashed to a halt in 2017. Could even decline in 2018.

2016 = 3286 cars sold worldwide / +99% YoY growth.
2017 = 3340 cars sold worldwide / +2% YoY growth.

Slowing sales + bad laptimes = panic.

Regarding an earlier comment, Lamborghini sold 3815 cars in 2017.
With the Urus that number is likely to be quite a lot > McLaren’s in 2018.
For whatever that’s worth.
When Lamborghini was really ahead of the pack, they were lucky to sell 100 cars a year.

[Targarama]

Ferruccio said:

Yipper said:

McLaren's growth has crashed to a halt in 2017. Could even decline in 2018.

2016 = 3286 cars sold worldwide / +99% YoY growth.
2017 = 3340 cars sold worldwide / +2% YoY growth.

Slowing sales + bad laptimes = panic.

Regarding an earlier comment, Lamborghini sold 3815 cars in 2017.
With the Urus that number is likely to be quite a lot > McLaren’s in 2018.
For whatever that’s worth.
When Lamborghini was really ahead of the pack, they were lucky to sell 100 cars a year.

Tired of all the negative people on here. Why are you here? Go any drive your Ferraris or Lamborghinis, its fine. Or are they toy models?

The Mclaren factory has a capacity of around 5,000 cars. They are currently running 2 shifts and producing 2/3 of that figure. During my factory visit it was very apparent the place was running at capacity (for the shifts running). I think we were told that they need to make some changes before they can bring on a third shift (i.e. 24 hour production), and Woking Council were not the most helpful. One change needed for sure is fixing the parking, the car parks are overflowing - they have to have a hour or so gap between shifts while one shift leave the carpark so there is room for the next shift to park! So I don't see any issue with the production figures, they are maxed out with what they can do at the moment.

[Targarama]

Streetrod said:

I am sure TP321 and Yipper must have suffered some kind of traumatic experience at the hands of a McLaren owner or employee at some point, maybe they had their evil way with their mother or something. As I can’t get my head around their rabid dislike of the brand.

When questioned directly they have never given any reason for this single minded hatred and when shown a McLaren coming out on top of any tests they are strangely silent. They are a very odd and strange pair

I never take much notice of someone who can't even list their own cars in their PH profile. Internet warriors.

[LIVENT]

Lap times are fun to look at. Ultimately they don't much.

I did a track day with my brother recently. I was driving a Ferrari 360 and he was in Lamborghini Galliado lp560. I easily kept up with him. My car was much slower and when we swapped I was gone. I am by no means a great driver but I've done a few racing lessons and a lot of track days. This was his first.

If you want to go faster, learn how to drive fast. All the cars mentioned are so close in performance that the driver is ultimately going to be the deciding factor. So buy what suits you best.

I can never understand the worry about depreciation. If it's that much of an issue buy a house not a supercar.

[utgjon]

So, to summarise this thread... we're all playing Top Trumps with different sets of cards.

[The Surveyor]

utgjon said:

So, to summarise this thread... we're all playing Top Trumps with different sets of cards.

yep, pretty much so. The important thing being that we enjoy our own game

[BoxerF50]

My son drove our 650S Spider and 720S yesterday back to back. He put together what he called a Bad Driver POV. Its posted up on karenable.com now.

[Wilmslowboy]

BoxerF50 said:

My son drove our 650S Spider and 720S yesterday back to back. He put together what he called a Bad Driver POV. Its posted up on karenable.com now.

Good read - thanks

I wonder how much of the visibility difference is down to Spyder versus Coupe comparison.

My Spyder has some large buttresses that can block the rear views, that’s are not found on the coupe.