Which McLaren Dealer
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AS the person who made the video, I can not post the link to it. Strict PH policy. Even in the thread in general gassing about YouTubers and YouTube videos, I am not allowed to link to my own videos. It's silly but there you go. So I'm stuck with responding to comments about the video wherever they might appear.
With regards why my friend and his father even took the cars, an argument was had about the piece of paper on the day but I also informed them that it is not possible to sign away their consumer rights to it was kinda null and void anyway. Further, the 720S had no obvious defects on the day (beyond a minor PPF issue which we were told would sort itself). The 570S we waited about 24 hours to have fixed and some issues were fixed - but to be honest my friend was excited about getting a car, we were annoyed with the initial issues but hoped that once they were resolved it'd be dandy - of course we didn't expect the catalogue of errors that was to follow.
The knock sensor BS apparently is not BS - see comments elsewhere on here, it's apparently a real thing. I'm not an expert in the intricate workings of these cars. Also as said in the video, I was basically there to play taxi for a friend and just make sure there weren't any obvious issues with the 720 (originally it was just the one car being bought, the agreement to buy the 570 only happened later) and the original plan was to make a video of the reveal of the two cars. We expected they'd be handed over in the showroom, like every other car when you buy from a main dealer like this.
Yes my friend loves his 600LT, he loved his 570 too. This is why I made this video after four reviews of four McLarens, each of which I like to think I gave a very fair and positive write-up. However, the 600 already has issues and needs work - and the 720 is already going back for its second batch of remedial work too.
With regards why my friend and his father even took the cars, an argument was had about the piece of paper on the day but I also informed them that it is not possible to sign away their consumer rights to it was kinda null and void anyway. Further, the 720S had no obvious defects on the day (beyond a minor PPF issue which we were told would sort itself). The 570S we waited about 24 hours to have fixed and some issues were fixed - but to be honest my friend was excited about getting a car, we were annoyed with the initial issues but hoped that once they were resolved it'd be dandy - of course we didn't expect the catalogue of errors that was to follow.
The knock sensor BS apparently is not BS - see comments elsewhere on here, it's apparently a real thing. I'm not an expert in the intricate workings of these cars. Also as said in the video, I was basically there to play taxi for a friend and just make sure there weren't any obvious issues with the 720 (originally it was just the one car being bought, the agreement to buy the 570 only happened later) and the original plan was to make a video of the reveal of the two cars. We expected they'd be handed over in the showroom, like every other car when you buy from a main dealer like this.
Yes my friend loves his 600LT, he loved his 570 too. This is why I made this video after four reviews of four McLarens, each of which I like to think I gave a very fair and positive write-up. However, the 600 already has issues and needs work - and the 720 is already going back for its second batch of remedial work too.
jayemm89 said:
AS the person who made the video, I can not post the link to it. Strict PH policy. Even in the thread in general gassing about YouTubers and YouTube videos, I am not allowed to link to my own videos. It's silly but there you go. So I'm stuck with responding to comments about the video wherever they might appear.
With regards why my friend and his father even took the cars, an argument was had about the piece of paper on the day but I also informed them that it is not possible to sign away their consumer rights to it was kinda null and void anyway. Further, the 720S had no obvious defects on the day (beyond a minor PPF issue which we were told would sort itself). The 570S we waited about 24 hours to have fixed and some issues were fixed - but to be honest my friend was excited about getting a car, we were annoyed with the initial issues but hoped that once they were resolved it'd be dandy - of course we didn't expect the catalogue of errors that was to follow.
The knock sensor BS apparently is not BS - see comments elsewhere on here, it's apparently a real thing. I'm not an expert in the intricate workings of these cars. Also as said in the video, I was basically there to play taxi for a friend and just make sure there weren't any obvious issues with the 720 (originally it was just the one car being bought, the agreement to buy the 570 only happened later) and the original plan was to make a video of the reveal of the two cars. We expected they'd be handed over in the showroom, like every other car when you buy from a main dealer like this.
Yes my friend loves his 600LT, he loved his 570 too. This is why I made this video after four reviews of four McLarens, each of which I like to think I gave a very fair and positive write-up. However, the 600 already has issues and needs work - and the 720 is already going back for its second batch of remedial work too.
Are you associated with the new joiner who posted the multiple links? It’s rather odd that the first posts made by the new joiner are the videos, then you soon follow with commentary. Starting to smell a bit fishy.With regards why my friend and his father even took the cars, an argument was had about the piece of paper on the day but I also informed them that it is not possible to sign away their consumer rights to it was kinda null and void anyway. Further, the 720S had no obvious defects on the day (beyond a minor PPF issue which we were told would sort itself). The 570S we waited about 24 hours to have fixed and some issues were fixed - but to be honest my friend was excited about getting a car, we were annoyed with the initial issues but hoped that once they were resolved it'd be dandy - of course we didn't expect the catalogue of errors that was to follow.
The knock sensor BS apparently is not BS - see comments elsewhere on here, it's apparently a real thing. I'm not an expert in the intricate workings of these cars. Also as said in the video, I was basically there to play taxi for a friend and just make sure there weren't any obvious issues with the 720 (originally it was just the one car being bought, the agreement to buy the 570 only happened later) and the original plan was to make a video of the reveal of the two cars. We expected they'd be handed over in the showroom, like every other car when you buy from a main dealer like this.
Yes my friend loves his 600LT, he loved his 570 too. This is why I made this video after four reviews of four McLarens, each of which I like to think I gave a very fair and positive write-up. However, the 600 already has issues and needs work - and the 720 is already going back for its second batch of remedial work too.
The whole thing is weird. Who takes a "consultant" along to be there when they pick up their new car from a dealer? Why release 3-4 videos over the last week or so saying how great the cars are, building things up to then drop this video. Am not saying there weren't issues or whatever (unfortunately we all know there are some cars that have issues), but I find the whole way this particular episode has played out very bizarre - the video titles, the resurrecting of threads form over a year ago, the fact there are 3 separate threads on Pistonheads on this now... not sure why, but it just all seems very odd!
jayemm89 said:
AS the person who made the video, I can not post the link to it. Strict PH policy. Even in the thread in general gassing about YouTubers and YouTube videos, I am not allowed to link to my own videos. It's silly but there you go. So I'm stuck with responding to comments about the video wherever they might appear.
With regards why my friend and his father even took the cars, an argument was had about the piece of paper on the day but I also informed them that it is not possible to sign away their consumer rights to it was kinda null and void anyway. Further, the 720S had no obvious defects on the day (beyond a minor PPF issue which we were told would sort itself). The 570S we waited about 24 hours to have fixed and some issues were fixed - but to be honest my friend was excited about getting a car, we were annoyed with the initial issues but hoped that once they were resolved it'd be dandy - of course we didn't expect the catalogue of errors that was to follow.
The knock sensor BS apparently is not BS - see comments elsewhere on here, it's apparently a real thing. I'm not an expert in the intricate workings of these cars. Also as said in the video, I was basically there to play taxi for a friend and just make sure there weren't any obvious issues with the 720 (originally it was just the one car being bought, the agreement to buy the 570 only happened later) and the original plan was to make a video of the reveal of the two cars. We expected they'd be handed over in the showroom, like every other car when you buy from a main dealer like this.
Yes my friend loves his 600LT, he loved his 570 too. This is why I made this video after four reviews of four McLarens, each of which I like to think I gave a very fair and positive write-up. However, the 600 already has issues and needs work - and the 720 is already going back for its second batch of remedial work too.
Thanks for the reply.With regards why my friend and his father even took the cars, an argument was had about the piece of paper on the day but I also informed them that it is not possible to sign away their consumer rights to it was kinda null and void anyway. Further, the 720S had no obvious defects on the day (beyond a minor PPF issue which we were told would sort itself). The 570S we waited about 24 hours to have fixed and some issues were fixed - but to be honest my friend was excited about getting a car, we were annoyed with the initial issues but hoped that once they were resolved it'd be dandy - of course we didn't expect the catalogue of errors that was to follow.
The knock sensor BS apparently is not BS - see comments elsewhere on here, it's apparently a real thing. I'm not an expert in the intricate workings of these cars. Also as said in the video, I was basically there to play taxi for a friend and just make sure there weren't any obvious issues with the 720 (originally it was just the one car being bought, the agreement to buy the 570 only happened later) and the original plan was to make a video of the reveal of the two cars. We expected they'd be handed over in the showroom, like every other car when you buy from a main dealer like this.
Yes my friend loves his 600LT, he loved his 570 too. This is why I made this video after four reviews of four McLarens, each of which I like to think I gave a very fair and positive write-up. However, the 600 already has issues and needs work - and the 720 is already going back for its second batch of remedial work too.
I still stand by the 'wired up different' statement....looking at the scratches and other bits and pieces no way were they going to be rectified in a day and likewise with ppf on the 720...
I have collected a McLaren before and other new expensive vehicles, and regardless how excited i have been, there is no way i would accept and drive away unless it was right. If the dealer was complacent about visible issues on pdi, what non visible issues have also been overlooked in order to get it out of the door.
Regards to the knock sensor.
As my Mac now lives outdoor in the east coast of Scotland where it has been known to rain now and again, no such issues whatsoever and until your video, never even heard if it...indeed if you google it, only one page of it on McLaren Life where the near word for word spiel follows:
''due to the car being stood out in the rain and not moving for some time this fault had developed from that and the knock sensors have got wet and corroded and need replacing” and that was from a dealer trying to fob a customer off.
If a heap of owners pitch up here and confirm they have replaced knock sensors due to rain, fair enough, i will take it as a genuine issue.
Please understand that i am not 'dismissing' your video; it been very important to highlight McLaren Manchesters failings...just pointing out a few things that i would of done differently and some of the bs the dealer gave as 'fact'.
I've no idea who PMarioR is. Don't expect people to believe me on that one, but I can assure you I'd much rather just post in one topic than four.
As for why would I make four videos on the cars before releasing this, well....
Three of the videos were all shot two months ago, the 570 and 720 reviews shot about 10 days after the cars were collected. The 12C video not long after that. The 600LT was more recent. I kinda rushed that one because we were heading for bad weather (it rained in the video).
I had to make *some* kind of video because people would have noticed my friend suddenly owning an entirely different model of McLaren, and wanting to know what happened.
Plus, the last time I made a video on the McLaren ownership experience, I had a number of people commenting that I couldn't possibly know what I was talking about, because I didn't own one. Well, now four people I know own McLarens - and you've seen videos on three of them. I love the cars and have no intention of trying to bash *the product* just because I don't like the way the company's being run. I genuinely want McLaren to improve, much the same way that I want that of Lotus. I just see far too much of Lotus in McLaren, and Lotus have a pathological inability to fix the obvious problems they have, or to take criticism.
...and as regard the knock sensor, we were told this is a problem when cars stand still in the wet FOR SOME TIME. Ie. weeks upon end. The 570 was at the dealer for about six months before being sold, so could easily have sat for two or three months without moving. I suspect most McLaren owners use their cars every couple of weeks at least, or store them inside/under cover when not in use.
As for why would I make four videos on the cars before releasing this, well....
Three of the videos were all shot two months ago, the 570 and 720 reviews shot about 10 days after the cars were collected. The 12C video not long after that. The 600LT was more recent. I kinda rushed that one because we were heading for bad weather (it rained in the video).
I had to make *some* kind of video because people would have noticed my friend suddenly owning an entirely different model of McLaren, and wanting to know what happened.
Plus, the last time I made a video on the McLaren ownership experience, I had a number of people commenting that I couldn't possibly know what I was talking about, because I didn't own one. Well, now four people I know own McLarens - and you've seen videos on three of them. I love the cars and have no intention of trying to bash *the product* just because I don't like the way the company's being run. I genuinely want McLaren to improve, much the same way that I want that of Lotus. I just see far too much of Lotus in McLaren, and Lotus have a pathological inability to fix the obvious problems they have, or to take criticism.
...and as regard the knock sensor, we were told this is a problem when cars stand still in the wet FOR SOME TIME. Ie. weeks upon end. The 570 was at the dealer for about six months before being sold, so could easily have sat for two or three months without moving. I suspect most McLaren owners use their cars every couple of weeks at least, or store them inside/under cover when not in use.
Edited by jayemm89 on Saturday 21st December 22:20
Obafemi09 said:
The whole thing is weird. Who takes a "consultant" along to be there when they pick up their new car from a dealer?
I am a friend of theirs, and they needed a way to get to the dealer in the first place. I own a nice comfy 7 series and they wanted someone impartial to check the cars over to make sure there wasn't anything glaring before they left, as they knew they would be all excited about getting a new car. Not exactly unusual I think.We *didn't* leave with the 570 until the following day, having already given the dealer some time to rectify the issues apparent.
Am i correct in my assumption that these two Maccas had been partly financed by a Finance company..If that's the case then the finance company has a shared ownership in these cars and with such vested interest they could help. Either in simply rejecting the car within the statutory six month period or by some other means.
cgt2 said:
How much discount was there on the 600LT and did your friend feel it mitigated any of the previous experiences?
I won't disclose the specifics of the deal because I consider that private financial information. What we basically did was got McLaren to honour the same discount on the 600LT, as they were with the 570S. The discounts available on these cars is massive, and because the residuals of the 600 are higher, it didn't really work out that much different.The main reason he didn't go for the 600LT first time round was the fact it was still a bit more money, and he already has a Lotus Exige which technically fulfills the hardcore car thing.
As mentioned in the video though, McLaren did balls up the re-financing - the numbers quoted were for a totally different mileage to the 570 deal, even though we had gone over the point many times. It was resolved, but only after Woking intervened.
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