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Thom said:
Some of the decision takers over there have a serious lack of taste, or they may just be having a laugh. Perhaps a bit of both actually.
Don't overlook the third explanation: that a substantial portion of the marketplace have incredibly bad taste, and McLaren are being commercial in offering something to them.flemke said:
Don't overlook the third explanation: that a substantial portion of the marketplace have incredibly bad taste, and McLaren are being commercial in offering something to them.
Yes, the market is always the good excuse.Two weeks down the line they will spit out some meaningless 3 seater orange SUV and some folks (not you) will come up with "well it's just what the market wants".
Did Bruce McLaren care about what the market wanted when he set out to design and build his own race cars?
Did Ettore Bugatti care about what the market wanted when he continually accumulated massive debts to build his cars and lay the foundations for his legend?
Did Ferrucio Lamborgini care about what the market wanted when he poured much of his hard earned cash from building tractors into building financially unsuccessful supercars?
The "market" leads to nothing but the b
dising of respectable names into meaningless brands producing objects of social status that gradually lose relationship with what the founders set out when they took massive risks to actually create something that back then broke actual boundaries. The market never takes risks - people do.In the case of the McLaren Senna, we have a blatant case of adding insult to injury. Give me a Bristol Fighter anyday over this ridiculous plasticky/carbon-ish patchwork only a tasteless billionaire teenager would dream of.
Edited by Thom on Tuesday 13th March 22:34
Thom said:
flemke said:
Don't overlook the third explanation: that a substantial portion of the marketplace have incredibly bad taste, and McLaren are being commercial in offering something to them.
Yes, the market is always the good excuse.Two weeks down the line they will spit out some meaningless 3 seater orange SUV and some folks (not you) will come up with "well it's just what the market wants".
Did Bruce McLaren care about what the market wanted when he set out to design and build his own race cars?
Did Ettore Bugatti care about what the market wanted when he continually accumulated massive debts to build his cars and lay the foundations for his legend?
Did Ferrucio Lamborgini care about what the market wanted when he poured much of his hard earned cash from building tractors into building financially unsuccessful supercars?
The "market" leads to nothing but the b
dising of respectable names into meaningless brands producing objects of social status that gradually lose relationship with what the founders set out when they took massive risks to actually create something that back then broke actual boundaries. The market never takes risks - people do.In the case of the McLaren Senna, we have a blatant case of adding insult to injury. Give me a Bristol Fighter anyday over this ridiculous plasticky/carbon-ish patchwork only a tasteless billionaire teenager would dream of.
You give examples of what one might call "romantic" efforts of passionate individuals to create wonderful cars. To be sure the world is a better place for them, but that is not the only way to do it. Today, with the myriad regulatory constraints, it is incomparably harder than it used to be for one person or a small, underfunded team to build so personal a car as the M6GT or Miura.
Thom said:
Yes, the market is always the good excuse.
Two weeks down the line they will spit out some meaningless 3 seater orange SUV and some folks (not you) will come up with "well it's just what the market wants".
Did Bruce McLaren care about what the market wanted when he set out to design and build his own race cars?
Did Ettore Bugatti care about what the market wanted when he continually accumulated massive debts to build his cars and lay the foundations for his legend?
Did Ferrucio Lamborgini care about what the market wanted when he poured much of his hard earned cash from building tractors into building financially unsuccessful supercars?
The "market" leads to nothing but the bdising of respectable names into meaningless brands producing objects of social status that gradually lose relationship with what the founders set out when they took massive risks to actually create something that back then broke actual boundaries. The market never takes risks - people do.
In the case of the McLaren Senna, we have a blatant case of adding insult to injury. Give me a Bristol Fighter anyday over this ridiculous plasticky/carbon-ish patchwork only a tasteless billionaire teenager would dream of.
Bugatti is probably the only one that follows the original ethos then as the Veyron cost an insane amount in development etc and lost moneyTwo weeks down the line they will spit out some meaningless 3 seater orange SUV and some folks (not you) will come up with "well it's just what the market wants".
Did Bruce McLaren care about what the market wanted when he set out to design and build his own race cars?
Did Ettore Bugatti care about what the market wanted when he continually accumulated massive debts to build his cars and lay the foundations for his legend?
Did Ferrucio Lamborgini care about what the market wanted when he poured much of his hard earned cash from building tractors into building financially unsuccessful supercars?
The "market" leads to nothing but the b
dising of respectable names into meaningless brands producing objects of social status that gradually lose relationship with what the founders set out when they took massive risks to actually create something that back then broke actual boundaries. The market never takes risks - people do.In the case of the McLaren Senna, we have a blatant case of adding insult to injury. Give me a Bristol Fighter anyday over this ridiculous plasticky/carbon-ish patchwork only a tasteless billionaire teenager would dream of.
Edited by Thom on Tuesday 13th March 22:34
Thom said:
flemke said:
Don't overlook the third explanation: that a substantial portion of the marketplace have incredibly bad taste, and McLaren are being commercial in offering something to them.
Yes, the market is always the good excuse.Two weeks down the line they will spit out some meaningless 3 seater orange SUV and some folks (not you) will come up with "well it's just what the market wants".
Did Bruce McLaren care about what the market wanted when he set out to design and build his own race cars?
Did Ettore Bugatti care about what the market wanted when he continually accumulated massive debts to build his cars and lay the foundations for his legend?
Did Ferrucio Lamborgini care about what the market wanted when he poured much of his hard earned cash from building tractors into building financially unsuccessful supercars?
The "market" leads to nothing but the b
dising of respectable names into meaningless brands producing objects of social status that gradually lose relationship with what the founders set out when they took massive risks to actually create something that back then broke actual boundaries. The market never takes risks - people do.In the case of the McLaren Senna, we have a blatant case of adding insult to injury. Give me a Bristol Fighter anyday over this ridiculous plasticky/carbon-ish patchwork only a tasteless billionaire teenager would dream of.
Quickmoose said:
Thom said:
flemke said:
Don't overlook the third explanation: that a substantial portion of the marketplace have incredibly bad taste, and McLaren are being commercial in offering something to them.
Yes, the market is always the good excuse.Two weeks down the line they will spit out some meaningless 3 seater orange SUV and some folks (not you) will come up with "well it's just what the market wants".
Did Bruce McLaren care about what the market wanted when he set out to design and build his own race cars?
Did Ettore Bugatti care about what the market wanted when he continually accumulated massive debts to build his cars and lay the foundations for his legend?
Did Ferrucio Lamborgini care about what the market wanted when he poured much of his hard earned cash from building tractors into building financially unsuccessful supercars?
The "market" leads to nothing but the b
dising of respectable names into meaningless brands producing objects of social status that gradually lose relationship with what the founders set out when they took massive risks to actually create something that back then broke actual boundaries. The market never takes risks - people do.In the case of the McLaren Senna, we have a blatant case of adding insult to injury. Give me a Bristol Fighter anyday over this ridiculous plasticky/carbon-ish patchwork only a tasteless billionaire teenager would dream of.
Oh and to reference Lamborghini as being a manufacture who never produced meaningless objects of social status, that has to be due a parrot...
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