Current real world running costs? 12C
Discussion
ferdi p said:
Genuine question;
With the car under warranty & a service costing £1500 max, are you saying that the consumables will come to 3.5k pa?
Even doing 10k miles a year I just can't see brakes, tyres & other bits coming to 3.5k a year, surely not every year!?
I reckon the only cost over owning an equivalent Ferrari/Lambo would be the higher warranty cost. All other running costs would be v similar.
10k mostly track miles - easily With the car under warranty & a service costing £1500 max, are you saying that the consumables will come to 3.5k pa?
Even doing 10k miles a year I just can't see brakes, tyres & other bits coming to 3.5k a year, surely not every year!?
I reckon the only cost over owning an equivalent Ferrari/Lambo would be the higher warranty cost. All other running costs would be v similar.
Jules360 said:
Sarnie said:
£10k a year loooooool!!
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
How does one know what the "right" car is ? Yes you can have it inspected, but that does't mean something won't go wrong further down the line. Just because yours hasn't gone wrong, it doesn't mean others haven't and calling such a statement drivel is, well, drivel.I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
breadvan said:
Jules360 said:
Sarnie said:
£10k a year loooooool!!
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
How does one know what the "right" car is ? Yes you can have it inspected, but that does't mean something won't go wrong further down the line. Just because yours hasn't gone wrong, it doesn't mean others haven't and calling such a statement drivel is, well, drivel.I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
Jules360 said:
breadvan said:
Jules360 said:
Sarnie said:
£10k a year loooooool!!
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
How does one know what the "right" car is ? Yes you can have it inspected, but that does't mean something won't go wrong further down the line. Just because yours hasn't gone wrong, it doesn't mean others haven't and calling such a statement drivel is, well, drivel.I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
ferdi p said:
Jules360 said:
breadvan said:
Jules360 said:
Sarnie said:
£10k a year loooooool!!
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
How does one know what the "right" car is ? Yes you can have it inspected, but that does't mean something won't go wrong further down the line. Just because yours hasn't gone wrong, it doesn't mean others haven't and calling such a statement drivel is, well, drivel.I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
Forums are funny places. Thy are supposed to be a place of interest and knowledge but to me they just confirm most enthusiast ingnorance.
I used to go to car clubs and meets because I wanted to talk about cars but the tribalism and ignorance users to depress me.
A lot of people think McLarens are unreliable and Porsche’s are bulletproof.
964 & 993’s sufferer oil leaks, 996,997 and 991 Gt3 has well documented engine failures. The hype keeps prices high but not for me. I bought a NSX which didn’t see a spanner and my DB9 was probably the most reliable “supercar” I’ve owned.
My 12c has been superb and I’m struggling to think what to buy next???? A 600LT will be £200k+ with options if I could get one but it won’t have the ride quality of the 12c. Real world problems.
I used to go to car clubs and meets because I wanted to talk about cars but the tribalism and ignorance users to depress me.
A lot of people think McLarens are unreliable and Porsche’s are bulletproof.
964 & 993’s sufferer oil leaks, 996,997 and 991 Gt3 has well documented engine failures. The hype keeps prices high but not for me. I bought a NSX which didn’t see a spanner and my DB9 was probably the most reliable “supercar” I’ve owned.
My 12c has been superb and I’m struggling to think what to buy next???? A 600LT will be £200k+ with options if I could get one but it won’t have the ride quality of the 12c. Real world problems.
tsj said:
Owned a 12C Spider for just over 1 year, total cost £1,600 for servicing. Everything else has been perfect.
Gearbox issues are expensive as McLaren simply replace the entire unit when in fact usual issue is a seal leak. This can be fixed by independents for a lot, lot less money.
Good news! They cost 10kpa to run supposedly, which means you've got £18,400 for servicing & consumables left for this year! Gearbox issues are expensive as McLaren simply replace the entire unit when in fact usual issue is a seal leak. This can be fixed by independents for a lot, lot less money.
I owned my 12C for 30 months and 14,000 miles. I would not buy one without the warranty. Quite simply all the car cost me was the warranty and servicing. £5k per year for warranty and £1k for servicing. £6k a year to run a supercar. Quite frankly if you are not prepared to pay that then a supercar isn't for you. Buy a new Boxster with a warranty and lose £20k when you drive it out of the showroom instead.
The warranty will help you sleep at night, little things will go wrong and if you don't have a warranty the little things will cost you. It makes no sense to buy a car of this caliber and complexity without a warranty as there are so few specialists at the moment. This should change soon. Nothing major went wrong with mine but i did have numerous little niggles which totaled around £14k pa in warranty work. For instance you can spend £8k on A/C work as dash and engine parts have to come out.
To put it into perspective my out of warranty F355 has cost me £9k in 18 months, The 996 had a £6k bill in one go, my M635Csi had more money spent on it than I want to remember and even my MX5 costs over £2k pa to keep tip top. You can't run a complex supercar on the cheap, you just cant. Come to terms with the £5k and enjoy your car to its max potential and sleep well at night.
My 12C cost me nothing over the £5k pa. The servicing was in line with other similar cars. The insurance was LESS than my RS4 at under £600pa. It consistently returned over 30mpg on a run, I full set of MC PZeros cost me £880 fitted.
A Ferrari power warranty is around £3,500pa in a 458. However a 458 is not in the same league IMHO, it feels a lot slower and less capable. However it will cost you £60k more to purchase. So pay £60k more and save £1,500pa to drive a slower car. Up to you.
at £80-£90k these cars are an absolute steal, the facebook group. meetings, events and friendships are amazing, better than any other make of car. You should barely lose any money in depreciation from here on so what are you waiting for!
The warranty will help you sleep at night, little things will go wrong and if you don't have a warranty the little things will cost you. It makes no sense to buy a car of this caliber and complexity without a warranty as there are so few specialists at the moment. This should change soon. Nothing major went wrong with mine but i did have numerous little niggles which totaled around £14k pa in warranty work. For instance you can spend £8k on A/C work as dash and engine parts have to come out.
To put it into perspective my out of warranty F355 has cost me £9k in 18 months, The 996 had a £6k bill in one go, my M635Csi had more money spent on it than I want to remember and even my MX5 costs over £2k pa to keep tip top. You can't run a complex supercar on the cheap, you just cant. Come to terms with the £5k and enjoy your car to its max potential and sleep well at night.
My 12C cost me nothing over the £5k pa. The servicing was in line with other similar cars. The insurance was LESS than my RS4 at under £600pa. It consistently returned over 30mpg on a run, I full set of MC PZeros cost me £880 fitted.
A Ferrari power warranty is around £3,500pa in a 458. However a 458 is not in the same league IMHO, it feels a lot slower and less capable. However it will cost you £60k more to purchase. So pay £60k more and save £1,500pa to drive a slower car. Up to you.
at £80-£90k these cars are an absolute steal, the facebook group. meetings, events and friendships are amazing, better than any other make of car. You should barely lose any money in depreciation from here on so what are you waiting for!
cowboyengineer said:
£3.5k a year for servicing, £5k a year for warranty, and £1.5k a year for consumables isn't too far fetched.
Obviously if you don't have the warranty then that half. which is what I recommended for him to do.
My 650’s last major service was 900 quid. That was it. If you need them,then you can get brake pads on eBay and oil from costco.Obviously if you don't have the warranty then that half. which is what I recommended for him to do.
This gearbox thing keeps coming up. For absolutely clarity - it barely goes wrong. Whoever above said they’d witnessed four, I would advise never to out in a thunderstorm as you’ll get battered by lightning every time you step out.
The gearbox can leak at one of the seals. McLaren’s approach is to replace the whole thing (free on warranty, 20k if not). However, Thorney can fix it for a wee fraction of that should you be in the tiny minority to suffer from it.
The warranty is not expensive - it’s about the same as a Ferrari warranty.
If you’re interested in a Mac, I’d highly recommend one. I had my 12c for a year and my 650 for 3 and counting. I get the itch to change every couple of months, but I look at the market and realise there’s bugger all else to choose from unless I spend an extra 150k. As such I’ve resolved to holding onto my 650 and adding to the stable (so far a 355 manual and looking at a v12 Aston).
As Bispal says above, if you can get your head around forking out for the warranty then that is ALL you will pay for. Unlike ferrari warranties, it’s properly belt and braces and covers you for stuff that a Fez power warranty simply will not (dodgy manifolds, track rod ends anyone?). If you don’t want to spend on a Mac warranty, then get the Thorney one. Yes, there is a 10k over claim limit but most claims are nowhere near that (remember, gearbox can be fixed rather than replaced).
The gearbox can leak at one of the seals. McLaren’s approach is to replace the whole thing (free on warranty, 20k if not). However, Thorney can fix it for a wee fraction of that should you be in the tiny minority to suffer from it.
The warranty is not expensive - it’s about the same as a Ferrari warranty.
If you’re interested in a Mac, I’d highly recommend one. I had my 12c for a year and my 650 for 3 and counting. I get the itch to change every couple of months, but I look at the market and realise there’s bugger all else to choose from unless I spend an extra 150k. As such I’ve resolved to holding onto my 650 and adding to the stable (so far a 355 manual and looking at a v12 Aston).
As Bispal says above, if you can get your head around forking out for the warranty then that is ALL you will pay for. Unlike ferrari warranties, it’s properly belt and braces and covers you for stuff that a Fez power warranty simply will not (dodgy manifolds, track rod ends anyone?). If you don’t want to spend on a Mac warranty, then get the Thorney one. Yes, there is a 10k over claim limit but most claims are nowhere near that (remember, gearbox can be fixed rather than replaced).
The gearbox replacement vs. fix argument is interesting.
To put it in perspective, our everyday family car until recently was a Porsche Cayenne diesel, 2014 vintage. Those cars had a reputation for an engine/gearbox oil seal leak which Porsche would fix under warranty by completely removing the front subframe, suspension, engine, gearbox, etc, with a cost somewhere in the region of £10k (on a car with a list price of £50k, or £30k used). Porsche specialists are adept at fixing the same issue with everything still in situ, for a cost of a couple of hundred pounds. I never experienced this myself, but it was a consideration come warranty renewal time.
Now I get that the Graziano gearbox in the 12C is a bit different to a run-of-the-mill VAG diesel powertrain :-) However my expectation would be that as the current McLaren range gets older, specialists will get more familiar with how to fix some of these otherwise expensive problems in a more cost effective way. The thing that still scares me is how much of the parts catalogue and engineering knowledge is locked within the McLaren dealer network and unavailable to independents. Hopefully at some point McLaren will recognise that a thriving 3rd party specialist scene will be an asset to their brand rather than a competitive threat. If they don't, then I'd start to wonder what skeletons are in the closet that they are worried might escape.
I'm still wavering between a sub-£100k 12C or a £130k 570S or GT. The "day 1" post above isn't helping :-D
To put it in perspective, our everyday family car until recently was a Porsche Cayenne diesel, 2014 vintage. Those cars had a reputation for an engine/gearbox oil seal leak which Porsche would fix under warranty by completely removing the front subframe, suspension, engine, gearbox, etc, with a cost somewhere in the region of £10k (on a car with a list price of £50k, or £30k used). Porsche specialists are adept at fixing the same issue with everything still in situ, for a cost of a couple of hundred pounds. I never experienced this myself, but it was a consideration come warranty renewal time.
Now I get that the Graziano gearbox in the 12C is a bit different to a run-of-the-mill VAG diesel powertrain :-) However my expectation would be that as the current McLaren range gets older, specialists will get more familiar with how to fix some of these otherwise expensive problems in a more cost effective way. The thing that still scares me is how much of the parts catalogue and engineering knowledge is locked within the McLaren dealer network and unavailable to independents. Hopefully at some point McLaren will recognise that a thriving 3rd party specialist scene will be an asset to their brand rather than a competitive threat. If they don't, then I'd start to wonder what skeletons are in the closet that they are worried might escape.
I'm still wavering between a sub-£100k 12C or a £130k 570S or GT. The "day 1" post above isn't helping :-D
isaldiri said:
I said I personally know of 4 cars with replaced gearboxes. I haven't been hit by lightning (yet).
Everyone must love being your friend then.Talk about a jinx.
I would hate to think how many failed manifolds you personally know as well. Must be hundreds in comparison.
Can't beat good old internet scaremongering and exaggeration.
Bet you tell your grand kids you were an ace footballer as well
RamboLambo said:
isaldiri said:
I said I personally know of 4 cars with replaced gearboxes. I haven't been hit by lightning (yet).
Everyone must love being your friend then.Talk about a jinx.
I would hate to think how many failed manifolds you personally know as well. Must be hundreds in comparison.
Can't beat good old internet scaremongering and exaggeration.
Bet you tell your grand kids you were an ace footballer as well
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