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isaldiri said:
MDL111 said:
96kg weight saving is not bad (I suspect that is with the seats from the Senna, which to hazard a guess will be pricey...)
that's with all lightweight options selected as well as no audio/aircon (no cost options)isaldiri said:
MDL111 said:
suspected as much, wonder what the like for like weight loss vs a 570 is
the 675 was about 60-70kg iirc lighter than the 650 with similar spec. the 600 probably would be the roughly the same amount lighter than the 570 I'd guess.675 still the one I really want
MDL111 said:
From memory the 570s is relatively heavy compared to the 720/650 - would have thought they could maybe get more weight out for a track version
IIRC, the 570 is about 20-30 kg heavier than the 650. Or there or abouts anyway, it's not really much different. Do have a look at the 675 anyway, it's really a terrific car and if I'm not wrong is quite keenly priced in Europe where there hasn't been much of a market for them so I reckon you can get one at a pretty decent price.
isaldiri said:
MDL111 said:
96kg weight saving is not bad (I suspect that is with the seats from the Senna, which to hazard a guess will be pricey...)
that's with all lightweight options selected as well as no audio/aircon (no cost options)
Edited by Beefmeister on Friday 6th July 08:28
Beefmeister said:
isaldiri said:
MDL111 said:
96kg weight saving is not bad (I suspect that is with the seats from the Senna, which to hazard a guess will be pricey...)
that's with all lightweight options selected as well as no audio/aircon (no cost options)Edited by Beefmeister on Friday 6th July 08:28
isaldiri said:
MDL111 said:
From memory the 570s is relatively heavy compared to the 720/650 - would have thought they could maybe get more weight out for a track version
IIRC, the 570 is about 20-30 kg heavier than the 650. Or there or abouts anyway, it's not really much different. Do have a look at the 675 anyway, it's really a terrific car and if I'm not wrong is quite keenly priced in Europe where there hasn't been much of a market for them so I reckon you can get one at a pretty decent price.
McLaren engineer told me total max weight saving is closer to 90Kg than 100Kg and is with Senna Seats and no a/c.
I think 95% of people will want a/c (10Kg i'm told) and Senna seats are not to everyone's liking as they cost £££'s, are much more difficult to get in/out of and have no adjustability. They do look great and nice when you're in them, but for a road car I [personally] couldn't live with the compromises.
Real world weight saving therefore 60-70Kg
Tyres are a big improvement and will make more difference to reduction in lap time than weight/power gain. 2 sec' a lap on their own but can be fitted to a 570 if you want.
An even more special (MSO) 600LT being shown at Pebble Beach in just over 2x weeks....
I think 95% of people will want a/c (10Kg i'm told) and Senna seats are not to everyone's liking as they cost £££'s, are much more difficult to get in/out of and have no adjustability. They do look great and nice when you're in them, but for a road car I [personally] couldn't live with the compromises.
Real world weight saving therefore 60-70Kg
Tyres are a big improvement and will make more difference to reduction in lap time than weight/power gain. 2 sec' a lap on their own but can be fitted to a 570 if you want.
An even more special (MSO) 600LT being shown at Pebble Beach in just over 2x weeks....
CyCy said:
I do honestly think it would be a damn shame to spec a 600LT without the Senna seats, though. A very unique option. Have sat in them. Do like them, although they felt a bit high to me. Might've just been the setting, however. They are height adjustable iirc.
Senna seats are lovely and save weight but at a pricely sum of money. Nice gimmick to have along with the top mount exhausts but not critical IMHOIf the car is going to be used mainly on the track I can see the point but as a 90% road car they are very awkward to get in and out of.
For a road car I would order the normal racing bucket seats which are more comfortable and accessable
coyft said:
I found the Senna seats really comfortable.
Shame they don't come in two sizes though as they were a bit big for me.
I thought there were 2 size options for the P15 seats as well? Although afaik it's more a change in the thickness of the cushions/pads as the shell is the same size. It'll probably be possible to get a good upholstery shop (like say the exact same guys MSO use Shame they don't come in two sizes though as they were a bit big for me.
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