720s Below 200K Already

720s Below 200K Already

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Never you mind

1,417 posts

57 months

Wednesday 9th January
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_Leg_ said:
Yup, agree with your thoughts there.

I do use the Exige on the road, even did a Euro tour in it with the Lotus club in 2017, but I bought it specifically as a track car. IMO if you're going to do regular track days you want to be able to go at it hammer and tong and to do that a specific car is needed which can be easily insured on track and consumables and repairs are reasonable so you don't have to hold back. The only limitation should be your own ability/comfort zone in my mind as the fun of track days is learning and improving. Worrying about the car just ruins it.

Back to McLaren, after turning down a 600LT I seem to be still in McLaren's good books (even though I've never owned one) as I've just been invited to a factory tour. Is it worth going?
Yes, if only to see the receptionists, who all look alike, it's quite eerie.



_Leg_

2,405 posts

156 months

Wednesday 9th January
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Never you mind said:
_Leg_ said:
Yup, agree with your thoughts there.

I do use the Exige on the road, even did a Euro tour in it with the Lotus club in 2017, but I bought it specifically as a track car. IMO if you're going to do regular track days you want to be able to go at it hammer and tong and to do that a specific car is needed which can be easily insured on track and consumables and repairs are reasonable so you don't have to hold back. The only limitation should be your own ability/comfort zone in my mind as the fun of track days is learning and improving. Worrying about the car just ruins it.

Back to McLaren, after turning down a 600LT I seem to be still in McLaren's good books (even though I've never owned one) as I've just been invited to a factory tour. Is it worth going?
Yes, if only to see the receptionists, who all look alike, it's quite eerie.
Thanks. Ha, I bet. Symmetrical receptionists, typical McLaren.

I do keep trying to like a McLaren, but it never quite takes. Mind you, I keep trying to like the current generation of Ferrari and Lamborghinis with the same problem. Ho hum, I've seen a replica D type I quite fancy though.....

MrVert

3,108 posts

184 months

Wednesday 9th January
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_Leg_ said:
Goes like the clappers, corners like a Yorkshireman chasing a fiver on a gusty day.
hehe quote of the month thumbup

WCZ

7,017 posts

139 months

Wednesday 9th January
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Taffy66 said:
A couple of weeks ago in rather typical impulsive fashion i bought my first Ferrari unseen..! It was with some trepidation i awaited delivery last Saturday morning..My fears were however totally unfounded as i'm totally smitten with my new 458 Italia.
The 458 is the pinnacle of supercars IMO in terms of character, glorious noise and involvement..The latest supercars have lost character, noise and involvement in their quest for ever faster Ring times..They have twin turbo pace which can never be savoured on any public highways safely which makes them very frustrating cars to own IMO.
I love driving my 458 and can see myself keeping it forever as i believe all new twin turbo supercars have just become too single minded to be able to enjoy fully.

Edited by Taffy66 on Wednesday 9th January 09:00
only, I (as have many others) haven't bought a 'supercar' since. nothing really appeals that isn't a crazy price (I wanted a 599 gto for awhile though)

isaldiri

4,845 posts

113 months

Wednesday 9th January
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_Leg_ said:
Back to McLaren, after turning down a 600LT I seem to be still in McLaren's good books (even though I've never owned one) as I've just been invited to a factory tour. Is it worth going?
Absolutely yes if you haven't been before. It's a remarkable place (the production facility less so to be fair) and you get to see a lot of the historic cars. No one interested in cars for example would turn down a tour of Fiorano/Ferrari factory - same for Mclaren imo.

PompeyReece

583 posts

34 months

Wednesday 9th January
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_Leg_ said:
Back to McLaren, after turning down a 600LT I seem to be still in McLaren's good books (even though I've never owned one) as I've just been invited to a factory tour. Is it worth going?
Yes, it's worth going however when I went we were only allowed to view the production line from a balcony as opposed to walking around it.

However it's quite an amazing place - more like a lab than a car factory. If you get the chance to change a Formula 1 car wheel, do it and you'll realise how good the pro's are.

_Leg_

2,405 posts

156 months

Wednesday 9th January
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Thanks for the replies. I've been round the Ferrari plant/Fiorano so it would probably be a good comparison (two very different approaches I expect).

Maybe they can finally turn me onto the cars! The 600LT nearly did it, in black so I cant see the front end design as much, but not quite. ;-)

Edited by _Leg_ on Wednesday 9th January 14:02

willy wombat

370 posts

93 months

Wednesday 9th January
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The McLaren factory tour is worth doing just to see an F1 car with "Senna" on the side and the amazing trophy cabinet. I can confirm it's very different from the Maranello experience.

flemke

22,144 posts

182 months

Wednesday 9th January
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PompeyReece said:
_Leg_ said:
Back to McLaren, after turning down a 600LT I seem to be still in McLaren's good books (even though I've never owned one) as I've just been invited to a factory tour. Is it worth going?
Yes, it's worth going however when I went we were only allowed to view the production line from a balcony as opposed to walking around it.

However it's quite an amazing place - more like a lab than a car factory. If you get the chance to change a Formula 1 car wheel, do it and you'll realise how good the pro's are.
AFAIK, they stopped letting visitors (even clients whose cars are being built) go directly onto the shop floor as of a couple of years ago. It doesn't much matter; MTC is by far the better place to see (unless you can get into MSO).

Juno

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3,654 posts

194 months

Wednesday 9th January
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ralphrj said:
Wilmslowboy said:
The 49% UK growth number is widely quoted, probably a press release direct from McLaren.
It was.

McLaren Press Release said:
McLaren’s UK domestic market remained strong, achieving a 49.2 per cent year-on-year growth.
Wilmslowboy said:
This doesn't correspond with cars registered and on the road (according to the SMMT data)

Suggesting an increase of sales (in the UK) of 10% (56 units more than 2017)

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrati...
Correct. SMMT data is for the number of cars registered as new with DVLA.

Wilmslowboy said:
Perhaps the Mclaren press release includes orders/ deposits??


Maybe. I can think of a couple of other possibilities:

1. Registration figures will include cars McLaren (or their dealers) register themselves. Perhaps they registered lots of cars as demonstrators last year compared to this year?

2. Another option is that McLaren are selling cars through their UK dealers to people that aren't registering them in the UK with DVLA (export market).
You are right at point number 1,the total number will include all cars registered whether they are sold or not.Generally manufacturers will go to dealers who are short of their yearly target in December or the quarters end and offer them the opportunity to hit the target number set for the period by buying and registering a pack of cars. This is normally spiced up with an extra chunk of cash to make the exercise worthwhile for the dealer.The manufacturer will quite often be very persuasive with such approaches!!! Car retailing is a bit like being part of a dictatorship.

Edited by Juno on Wednesday 9th January 23:36

Juno

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3,654 posts

194 months

Wednesday 9th January
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flemke said:
12pack said:
flemke said:
. Is there really that much of a difference between a 997 and a 991 and a 992, or a 650 and a 720? Yet the car manufacturers do everything they can to induce us to get on that hamster wheel and buy the newest one, own it for two years then sell it at a £75k loss and buy another, which one would own for another two years. Rinse, repeat....
Therefore, if you want to have a different (I would say better, but obviously that is subjective) experience, the answer is not to start running on the manufacturers' new car hamster wheel, but instead to consider older things with less (but still more than enough) performance and definitely more character.
Fully agree with you there.

My only point was that I did see a rather large difference in performance, even on the road, with a lighter car using a smaller turbo motor (and not just compared to the Aston). That performance is character in itself.
Lighter weight is always better. For the last 30 years, with few exceptions, each new generation of car has been wider and heavier than its predecessor, and that has been part of the systematic problem with the newer models. wink
Talking of hamster wheels and 75k losses this one looks rather cheap!

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

How long before these are a 150K ?

This year would be my guess!

As an example if you search for 570 and request delivery mileage in the search there appears to be 18 pre registered cars registered with delivery mileage but not sold

The Joker in the pack appears to be this 17 MY registered IN 2018 570s Spyder. So your new delivery miles bought in 2019 570s is actually a 2017 MY year car.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

It counts in the 2018 SMMT sales figures as a sold car but is yet to find an owner along with another 17 570's.It would appear that the smoke and mirrors sales game is at work here!



Edited by Juno on Thursday 10th January 00:09

mickv

69 posts

36 months

Thursday 10th January
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Juno said:
Talking of hamster wheels and 75k losses this one looks rather cheap!

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Peel off that carbon effect PPF on side panels and mirror casings and it'd be worth £10k more......

mcl570

65 posts

23 months

Friday 11th January
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Juno said:
flemke said:
12pack said:
flemke said:
. Is there really that much of a difference between a 997 and a 991 and a 992, or a 650 and a 720? Yet the car manufacturers do everything they can to induce us to get on that hamster wheel and buy the newest one, own it for two years then sell it at a £75k loss and buy another, which one would own for another two years. Rinse, repeat....
Therefore, if you want to have a different (I would say better, but obviously that is subjective) experience, the answer is not to start running on the manufacturers' new car hamster wheel, but instead to consider older things with less (but still more than enough) performance and definitely more character.
Fully agree with you there.

My only point was that I did see a rather large difference in performance, even on the road, with a lighter car using a smaller turbo motor (and not just compared to the Aston). That performance is character in itself.
Lighter weight is always better. For the last 30 years, with few exceptions, each new generation of car has been wider and heavier than its predecessor, and that has been part of the systematic problem with the newer models. wink
Talking of hamster wheels and 75k losses this one looks rather cheap!

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

How long before these are a 150K ?

This year would be my guess!

As an example if you search for 570 and request delivery mileage in the search there appears to be 18 pre registered cars registered with delivery mileage but not sold

The Joker in the pack appears to be this 17 MY registered IN 2018 570s Spyder. So your new delivery miles bought in 2019 570s is actually a 2017 MY year car.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

It counts in the 2018 SMMT sales figures as a sold car but is yet to find an owner along with another 17 570's.It would appear that the smoke and mirrors sales game is at work here!



Edited by Juno on Thursday 10th January 00:09
May I ask - how can you tell this is a MY 17 Car? From my understanding, the MSO Titanium Exhaust only became available in 2018?

Gameface

9,689 posts

22 months

Friday 11th January
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The very first line of the description perhaps?

cayman-black

8,080 posts

161 months

Friday 11th January
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looks great all in black, 100k?

Juno

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3,654 posts

194 months

Friday 11th January
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Gameface said:
The very first line of the description perhaps?
Thank you Gameface that saved me the trouble thumbup

Sarnie

6,172 posts

154 months

Saturday 12th January
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cayman-black said:
looks great all in black, 100k?
£100k laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

MOD500

2,654 posts

195 months

Saturday 12th January
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mcl570 said:
May I ask - how can you tell this is a MY 17 Car? From my understanding, the MSO Titanium Exhaust only became available in 2018?
Mso became available to order on new car and for used car through Mc after-sales from around Aug 17 readsonar

Edited by MOD500 on Saturday 12th January 10:52

GT4RS

1,836 posts

142 months

Saturday 12th January
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Juno said:
flemke said:
12pack said:
flemke said:
. Is there really that much of a difference between a 997 and a 991 and a 992, or a 650 and a 720? Yet the car manufacturers do everything they can to induce us to get on that hamster wheel and buy the newest one, own it for two years then sell it at a £75k loss and buy another, which one would own for another two years. Rinse, repeat....
Therefore, if you want to have a different (I would say better, but obviously that is subjective) experience, the answer is not to start running on the manufacturers' new car hamster wheel, but instead to consider older things with less (but still more than enough) performance and definitely more character.
Fully agree with you there.

My only point was that I did see a rather large difference in performance, even on the road, with a lighter car using a smaller turbo motor (and not just compared to the Aston). That performance is character in itself.
Lighter weight is always better. For the last 30 years, with few exceptions, each new generation of car has been wider and heavier than its predecessor, and that has been part of the systematic problem with the newer models. wink
Talking of hamster wheels and 75k losses this one looks rather cheap!

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

How long before these are a 150K ?

This year would be my guess!

As an example if you search for 570 and request delivery mileage in the search there appears to be 18 pre registered cars registered with delivery mileage but not sold

The Joker in the pack appears to be this 17 MY registered IN 2018 570s Spyder. So your new delivery miles bought in 2019 570s is actually a 2017 MY year car.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

It counts in the 2018 SMMT sales figures as a sold car but is yet to find an owner along with another 17 570's.It would appear that the smoke and mirrors sales game is at work here!



Edited by Juno on Thursday 10th January 00:09
They want £165k for it, it’s not cheap IMO

Second you drive it out it will be worth 40k less 🤣

hyphen

10,623 posts

35 months

Saturday 12th January
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Sarnie said:
cayman-black said:
looks great all in black, 100k?
£100k laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh
+1 £95k on a good day.