Fed up with the negativity
Discussion
TB993tt said:
This post is awesome there are now people out there who because of their age and lack of experience have come to expect that the current ~5 year hype (fueled by unprecedented low interest rates and growing economy) which has produced lots of new cars attracting premiums is a norm. Throw in a £250K supercar which breaks this current trend but in fact depreciates as all cars did pre hype and all his toys are out of the pram and he nearly blew his mortgage deposit 
The world has truly gone mad and I am an old
Wasn't after a premium. Wouldn't have bought a full production, non limited MCLAREN of all things if so. Just expected a lot better than absolutely woeful residuals and appalling reliability/build quality, my lad.The world has truly gone mad and I am an old
TGETV said:
Wading in.
I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
So you're telling me, you've never experienced an issue with the supercars you've bought previously? I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
Oh, and whilst you mentioned depreciation, I hope you didn't pay too much of a premium for your Aventador SV... else you may lose another 'Mortgage Deposit' on that one as they don't seem to be shifting
Oh and again on the subject of Lamborghini, the Performante's are hardly holding their money... oooooooooops. Funnily enough, no car is really holding its money nowadays... we are past the days of 'Supercars' holding their values.. the only real stuff that is holding its money are the hyper cars of todays market. Maybe if you save up a few more mortgage deposits you could add a Senna to your garage...…………….. LOL.
But seriously, we should be buying cars to enjoy to enjoy them for what they are, rather than being conscious of how much it will cost us. As I have said previously, I guess I have been fortunate - I love my McLaren. Everyone is quick enough to shout about the problems, yet they never talk about the good things.
Edited by mcl570 on Wednesday 26th September 12:09
You put your cash in, it was a bad experience you lost more money than you expected and therefore definitely it’s your right to make a fuss.
But you could have made a better fuss, couldn’t you? A more responsible one given your profile? It was very much a “snigger,snigger” reaction . “Pssst, Mclaren are st but I’m not going to tell you why”. As far as I can search , and I tried I could never find a list of actual problems you suffered, a detailed explanation of reliability issues nor the attempts of Mclaren to help you.
Given your profile I just think you also could have handled it better.
But you could have made a better fuss, couldn’t you? A more responsible one given your profile? It was very much a “snigger,snigger” reaction . “Pssst, Mclaren are s
t but I’m not going to tell you why”. As far as I can search , and I tried I could never find a list of actual problems you suffered, a detailed explanation of reliability issues nor the attempts of Mclaren to help you. Given your profile I just think you also could have handled it better.
mcl570 said:
TGETV said:
Wading in.
I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
So you're telling me, you've never experienced an issue with the supercars you've bought previously? I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
Oh, and whilst you mentioned depreciation, I hope you didn't pay too much of a premium for your Aventador SV... else you may lose another 'Mortgage Deposit' on that one as they don't seem to be shifting
Oh and again on the subject of Lamborghini, the Performante's are hardly holding their money... oooooooooops. Funnily enough, no car is really holding its money nowadays... we are past the days of 'Supercars' holding their values.. the only real stuff that is holding its money are the hyper cars of todays market. Maybe if you save up a few more mortgage deposits you could add a Senna to your garage...…………….. LOL.
But seriously, we should be buying cars to enjoy to enjoy them for what they are, rather than being conscious of how much it will cost us. As I have said previously, I guess I have been fortunate - I love my McLaren. Everyone is quick enough to shout about the problems, yet they never talk about the good things.
Edited by mcl570 on Wednesday 26th September 12:09
I think one thing we can all take away from this is, cars depreciate so just enjoy them.
mcl570 said:
So you're telling me, you've never experienced an issue with the supercars you've bought previously?
Oh, and whilst you mentioned depreciation,
Distorting what someone says, and then saying that that’s rubbish, is an easy game to play. Oh, and whilst you mentioned depreciation,
Edited by mcl570 on Wednesday 26th September 12:09
TGETV said:
Wading in.
I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
I'm not sure why you have been given such a hard time. Unlike many, you bought and ran one, and everyone is entitled to an opinion. I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
It's actually refreshing to hear honest reviews rather than the usual 'this car is brilliant' because they've invited me to Spain for a press launch.
Personally, I love the 720S. Sounds like you had a bad one, but initial impressions are always hard to forget.
TGETV said:
Wading in.
I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
"WADING IN" - this is what you do, without really thinking about what you're saying. Your style is flippant, childish and uninformed. You wade in because you're in media with no media training and no clue about what you're doing. You lose credibility. Nobody trusts you. You think jibes and sarcasm make you like Jeremy Clarkson when in fact you come across as whiney and naive. I'm not even going to bother telling you why you've got this one wrong because you probably wouldn't understand. I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
TB993tt said:
This post is awesome there are now people out there who because of their age and lack of experience have come to expect that the current ~5 year hype (fueled by unprecedented low interest rates and growing economy) which has produced lots of new cars attracting premiums is a norm. Throw in a £250K supercar which breaks this current trend but in fact depreciates as all cars did pre hype and all his toys are out of the pram and he nearly blew his mortgage deposit
The world has truly gone mad and I am an old
Not really though is it? It's a valid enough question about how the cars compare to their nearest competitors. If every other new car in the sector (exaggeration obviously) is attracting a premium but not Mclaren then there's a problem with Mclaren and not that they are the norm when everyone else is not. The world has truly gone mad and I am an old
slarti650 said:
"WADING IN" - this is what you do, without really thinking about what you're saying. Your style is flippant, childish and uninformed. You wade in because you're in media with no media training and no clue about what you're doing. You lose credibility. Nobody trusts you. You think jibes and sarcasm make you like Jeremy Clarkson when in fact you come across as whiney and naive. I'm not even going to bother telling you why you've got this one wrong because you probably wouldn't understand.
No need to get personal lad. Play nicely pls. There's a good lad.isaldiri said:
Not really though is it? It's a valid enough question about how the cars compare to their nearest competitors. If every other new car in the sector (exaggeration obviously) is attracting a premium but not Mclaren then there's a problem with Mclaren and not that they are the norm when everyone else is not.
Please elaborate on which new cars (not limited cars) are fetching a premium? I'll wait... mcl570 said:
isaldiri said:
Not really though is it? It's a valid enough question about how the cars compare to their nearest competitors. If every other new car in the sector (exaggeration obviously) is attracting a premium but not Mclaren then there's a problem with Mclaren and not that they are the norm when everyone else is not.
Please elaborate on which new cars (not limited cars) are fetching a premium? I'll wait... Do McLarens generally, currently depreciate quicker and/or more than comparable cars from other brands?
mcl570 said:
Please elaborate on which new cars (not limited cars) are fetching a premium? I'll wait...
Last I checked the 488 spider was. The pista most assuredly will as well. The huracan performante maintained list a heck of a lot longer. Look, my point is that compared to the close competitors, McLaren road cars depreciate worse. Far worse in many cases. Do you disagree with that? mcl570 said:
Please elaborate on which new cars (not limited cars) are fetching a premium? I'll wait...
Currently? 812's, even G63's, facelift Range Rover SVR's... AMG GTR's did. 488's did. Even know someone that paid over for a bog standard Huracan Spyder.
If the demand outstrips supply at any given time, even for a brief period, bob's your uncle - premium. Many cars have and do.
Off topic though really, as I was not talking about premium on my 720S, my gripe was a near instant £30-40k turd.
mcl570 said:
isaldiri said:
Not really though is it? It's a valid enough question about how the cars compare to their nearest competitors. If every other new car in the sector (exaggeration obviously) is attracting a premium but not Mclaren then there's a problem with Mclaren and not that they are the norm when everyone else is not.
Please elaborate on which new cars (not limited cars) are fetching a premium? I'll wait... I love my McLaren. Each of these photos was taken just after giving it a good thrashing up a mountain pass or similar. Friggin' awesome, monsters Alpine roads! I do not give a damn about the negative posts.
Here are some photos of it broken down in various places the past few days. The first photo was taken by a lovely biker lady whose hubby had 'enjoyed' his sports bike up the pass to keep up with me.
The tunnel in the background was several miles long. Yes, I got some video and made some noise
Italian Alps (Dolomites)
Grosslockner Pass
This hotel carpark is accessed via a lift. A bit scarey with a wide car on your own
My car is probably worth little now, but I don't care. Lets face it, if you can afford a car like this, then sure as hell enjoy it! You can make more money, you can't always make more memories.
Do it.
Here are some photos of it broken down in various places the past few days. The first photo was taken by a lovely biker lady whose hubby had 'enjoyed' his sports bike up the pass to keep up with me.
The tunnel in the background was several miles long. Yes, I got some video and made some noise
Italian Alps (Dolomites)
Grosslockner Pass
This hotel carpark is accessed via a lift. A bit scarey with a wide car on your own
My car is probably worth little now, but I don't care. Lets face it, if you can afford a car like this, then sure as hell enjoy it! You can make more money, you can't always make more memories.
Do it.
TGETV said:
Currently? 812's, even G63's, facelift Range Rover SVR's...
AMG GTR's did. 488's did. Even know someone that paid over for a bog standard Huracan Spyder.
If the demand outstrips supply at any given time, even for a brief period, bob's your uncle - premium. Many cars have and do.
Off topic though really, as I was not talking about premium on my 720S, my gripe was a near instant £30-40k turd.
I am not familiar with you or your ilk but your opinion, a little like Clarksons. is of no consequence in my next car purchaseAMG GTR's did. 488's did. Even know someone that paid over for a bog standard Huracan Spyder.
If the demand outstrips supply at any given time, even for a brief period, bob's your uncle - premium. Many cars have and do.
Off topic though really, as I was not talking about premium on my 720S, my gripe was a near instant £30-40k turd.
decision - my conundrum is shall I go 570S or 600LT
- btw cash not mortgage busting Far too many know the cost but few appreciate the value
Edited by Matty3 on Wednesday 26th September 21:57
slarti650 said:
"WADING IN" - this is what you do, without really thinking about what you're saying. Your style is flippant, childish and uninformed. You wade in because you're in media with no media training and no clue about what you're doing. You lose credibility. Nobody trusts you. You think jibes and sarcasm make you like Jeremy Clarkson when in fact you come across as whiney and naive. I'm not even going to bother telling you why you've got this one wrong because you probably wouldn't understand.
It won’t register as people can be selective on who they listen to - fanboys surely make more sense TGE don’t forget it’s a small world and the people you asked to help you sell the car are within the community
TB993tt said:
TGETV said:
Wading in.
I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
This post is awesome there are now people out there who because of their age and lack of experience have come to expect that the current ~5 year hype (fueled by unprecedented low interest rates and growing economy) which has produced lots of new cars attracting premiums is a norm. Throw in a £250K supercar which breaks this current trend but in fact depreciates as all cars did pre hype and all his toys are out of the pram and he nearly blew his mortgage deposit I was the only 'Youtuber' to actually keep their order in, despite others around me telling to cancel - I wanted to give the brand a go. I was excited and took every chance to back the brand and the car for the brief period I had it. I used to love the brand. Other social media people cancelled theirs then spun a yarn why, or brushed the cancellation under the carpet.
Then there were the many that were refunded on their cars because they were so bad. Yep, full refunds.
Also yes, I paid for my car. No discount either. And I lost money.
The thing was shoddy, and nobody wanted to touch it when I came to shift it on. To make things worse, I nearly blew a mortgage deposit in depreciation on it in a matter of weeks.
I am entitled to say it was rubbish. Fast, but rubbish. My only offence here is perhaps being honest, when most in the social media world brown-nose every brand, to milk fancy trips out of them. I am black listed by McLaren now apparently, so no more press trips for me for the next 15 models they release in the next year. They also have 97389743 other vloggers they invite anyway. (see 600LT video deluge today LOL)
As with all cars, some good and bad eggs exist in each batch. I had a bad experience, but my personal view is that this is actually quite typical for the brand, not a one off. I won't be buying any more of their cars, not that they are fussed I'm sure. I really don't care if any of you have had enough of me bad mouthing my experience. I spent £250k on a car and it fell well below what would have happened if I had spent it with Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari.
As an aside, feel free to ask @supercarsofben on Instagram what he experienced if you fancy an eye opener.
The world has truly gone mad and I am an old
Tad hypocritical no?
Especially after you biggest issue with the 720 was that you didn't manage to flip it for a profit
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