Fed up with the negativity

[Pioneer]

Even a 'fed up with the negativity' thread seems to put me off the brand. Excessive depreciation, okay that sucks but not a deal breaker. Dealer support and product issues seem woeful though ... everywhere I look. Shame. The competitors have had issues but I can't ever remember this much negativity, on such a large scale. Hope it changes but they have a massive job to do with public opinion

[Number91]

mikey k said:

Yet the pair of still quite happily take hospitality and long term loan cars from them.
Tad hypocritical no?
Especially after you biggest issue with the 720 was that you didn't manage to flip it for a profit

Totally agree ... this TGE dude simply doesn’t know what side he’s batting for , obviously watches too much East Enders ....
a normal issue of depreciation rubs him and he flips !! ( see what I did there

[mikey k]

Pioneer said:

Even a 'fed up with the negativity' thread seems to put me off the brand. Excessive depreciation, okay that sucks but not a deal breaker. Dealer support and product issues seem woeful though ... everywhere I look. Shame. The competitors have had issues but I can't ever remember this much negativity, on such a large scale. Hope it changes but they have a massive job to do with public opinion

But they aren't in the real world, out side the bubble of disgruntled interwebbers
I had a st load more trouble with both my Aston's and several M series BMWs. Neither of my McLarens have ever let me down in over 25k miles of driving them.

[The Surveyor]

Pioneer said:

Even a 'fed up with the negativity' thread seems to put me off the brand. Excessive depreciation, okay that sucks but not a deal breaker. Dealer support and product issues seem woeful though ... everywhere I look. Shame. The competitors have had issues but I can't ever remember this much negativity, on such a large scale. Hope it changes but they have a massive job to do with public opinion

Nobody likes the new specy ginger kid in school, especially when he turns out to be better at everything...….

[mcl570]

The Surveyor said:

Nobody likes the new specy ginger kid in school, especially when he turns out to be better at everything...….

[justin220]

Pioneer said:

Even a 'fed up with the negativity' thread seems to put me off the brand. Excessive depreciation, okay that sucks but not a deal breaker. Dealer support and product issues seem woeful though ... everywhere I look. Shame. The competitors have had issues but I can't ever remember this much negativity, on such a large scale. Hope it changes but they have a massive job to do with public opinion

I think the whole point in this thread is though, is to say that all the negative posts aren't really a true reflection on ownership.

People really only tend to post when something goes wrong. Very rarely to people post to say how great something is

[Wlr]

justin220 said:

I think the whole point in this thread is though, is to say that all the negative posts aren't really a true reflection on ownership.

People really only tend to post when something goes wrong. Very rarely to people post to say how great something is

Absolutely correct.

[slarti650]

The dealers being overloaded is still true but there are good indie options now. The cars themselves are ridiculously well made and I've owned most brands over the years. Im on my second Mac and I WILL buy another. A few issues that all end up on PH are not a true reflection. All the owners are over on Facebook anyway so PH becomes an outlet for people with frustration

[TGETV]

mikey k said:

When
Yet the pair of still quite happily take hospitality and long term loan cars from them.
Tad hypocritical no?
Especially after you biggest issue with the 720 was that you didn't manage to flip it for a profit

I've never taken a loan car from McLaren. Ever.
My issue was not with not getting a profit from selling it.
AGAIN, the issue was it nearly stting £30-40k instantly, and the thing not even opening or starting, air brake failing, infotainment intermittent, trim falling off, and a variety of other lights and errors. For a £250k brand new car.

I am not an unreasonable guy. They make great cars and have achieved a huge amount. Just think the brand has lost its way a tad, & am allowed to think that as someone that has genuinely bought into the brand and given it a chance.
I could happily wk them off and get free trips, but I don't. Would rather be honest about my experience.

You may not like my Youtube drivel, fair if not, but had I not had a channel, you'd all take me a lot more seriously I suspect.

And as for that dick having a swipe that he buys his cars cash - well done to you. Makes you better than everyone instantly. Get it on your CV while you're at it.

[slarti650]

TGETV said:

And as for that dick having a swipe that he buys his cars cash - well done to you. Makes you better than everyone instantly. Get it on your CV while you're at it.

and there he goes again....

[Pioneer]

justin220 said:

I think the whole point in this thread is though, is to say that all the negative posts aren't really a true reflection on ownership.

People really only tend to post when something goes wrong. Very rarely to people post to say how great something is

Online negativity from owners who have had bad experiences I understand, but I'm talking about in general. Dealers, car friends, previous owners telling me to expect a load of trouble. The only 3 guys I know who have actually had one ALL said they wouldn't have another. Doesn't inspire much confidence. Then to top it off my kids and their friends (who are the next generation of buyers) associating McL with breaking down, bad quality and asking me why I'd even consider one over a F or L, that's a bad image to have with the younger gen. All they have to go on is the odd youtube vid, occasional posts, reviews etc but some have already formed this opinion. I really want one but just don't want the stress of ownership, would take the enjoyment out of it for me. I normally would just ignore a lot of the banter and take a leap of faith but my point is, there seems to be a LOT of negativity in general towards McL as a company and their cars, much more than I would have expected, even with the disgruntled owners voicing their opinions online. I'm a fan by the way (!) just not an owner yet.

[johnwilliams77]

Wow.....children

[slarti650]

Pioneer said:

Online negativity from owners who have had bad experiences I understand, but I'm talking about in general. Dealers, car friends, previous owners telling me to expect a load of trouble. The only 3 guys I know who have actually had one ALL said they wouldn't have another. Doesn't inspire much confidence. Then to top it off my kids and their friends (who are the next generation of buyers) associating McL with breaking down, bad quality and asking me why I'd even consider one over a F or L, that's a bad image to have with the younger gen. All they have to go on is the odd youtube vid, occasional posts, reviews etc but some have already formed this opinion. I really want one but just don't want the stress of ownership, would take the enjoyment out of it for me. I normally would just ignore a lot of the banter and take a leap of faith but my point is, there seems to be a LOT of negativity in general towards McL as a company and their cars, much more than I would have expected, even with the disgruntled owners voicing their opinions online. I'm a fan by the way (!) just not an owner yet.

Get a Ferrari or Lambo. You won't have to live on constant fear of things going wrong, they just will but you will have had lived in ignorant bliss until that point :-). My Macs have been MORE reliable than all my Ferraris.

[Martin-G]

TGETV said:

Back to work for me and off this st forum. Ciao

Unfortunately not a man (lad!) that stands by his words.... enough said.

[Never you mind]

TGETV said:

mikey k said:

When
Yet the pair of still quite happily take hospitality and long term loan cars from them.
Tad hypocritical no?
Especially after you biggest issue with the 720 was that you didn't manage to flip it for a profit

AGAIN, the issue was it nearly stting £30-40k instantly,

Yeah selective quoting but you can't be that naive that you think you would make money on it or at least get your money back? If you go into every car deal thinking like that then I am pretty sure you're going to be very disappointed.

There are of course exceptions to the rule but lets face it, you can't, like me, play with the big boys unless you are comfortable putting your self into hock in a big way. Are you? If so you must be mental in this current climate as the good ole days of a few years ago are, IMHO, way behind us.

Note, this isn't a dig lad but merely an honest and direct question.

[naboo]

mcl570 said:

Hi All,

I have been reading over the posts for the last month or so, and it is clear that some owners are experiencing problems with their cars ( I am also!)… but why do people feel the need to slate the brand? People are quick enough to post about their bad experiences, but they never post about their positive experiences?

Rant over

With you on that, I've had my McLaren for 2 years now, I love it BUT the time has come to move it on....




...and buy another McLaren! Can't say more than that really, it's been a great experience. :cool

[TGETV]

Never you mind said:

Yeah selective quoting but you can't be that naive that you think you would make money on it or at least get your money back? If you go into every car deal thinking like that then I am pretty sure you're going to be very disappointed.

There are of course exceptions to the rule but lets face it, you can't, like me, play with the big boys unless you are comfortable putting your self into hock in a big way. Are you? If so you must be mental in this current climate as the good ole days of a few years ago are, IMHO, way behind us.

Note, this isn't a dig lad but merely an honest and direct question.

Play with the big boys? No.

My point, again, labouring it further - an instant drop like that, on the 4/5th customer car on the road in the whole country, after all that buzz, I think is a symptom of a comparatively very weak brand, and not something I was personally willing to run with. I work too hard for my money to knowingly hold onto something that will crap cash. I don't have to. Plenty of other options. That figure would be £50-60k now and growing.

Think about the 5th customer Ferrari 488 or Lamborghini Huracan in the country, even 911 GTS/Turbo S - main dealers and independants would have bitten my hand off to grab an early car like that back off me and sell on again instantly - undoubtedly at list or more. Instead every McLaren dealer in the country didn't want it, if they even returned my calls. Independants were throwing reluctant low balls at me, those that even entertained the idea of buying it. There still weren't really any even on the road! It doesn't stack up well. Someone did buy it off me in the end, from the now not so friendly McLaren owners Facebook group. Yep - I sold it on Facebook. That chap, who was actually a pleasure to deal with, I suspect bought to flip on, so it ended up in GVE on SOR immediately, where it SAT, for 9-10 months and was reduced £30k odd in the process... I now see it around london, that new owner has got a bit of a bargain I think at my and the intermediate owners expense.

AGAIN - I don't go into these cars expecting to profit, or my cash to be safe. It's a gamble every time and worth it on the most part for the fun they bring. I was only surprised just how bad McLaren was on the depreciation and demand upon resale front. And how unreliable the car was while I had it. I even had full ppf and some customisation done to it as intended to keep it. But the rate at which it was falling in value & bits failing on it - I couldnt justify holding onto it.

Finally, a friend of mine Mark, bought his for 150k and could not shift it, even for 120k a year later. Amazing car for the cash the 650s, but they just don't seem to shift. Another friend lost £60k on a 570S in less than a year. You don't hear of that in any other of the 'main' supercars. if you have deep pockets AND don't mind burning money - crack on and buy a new Mac would be my advice. Or buy one a few years old when they become amazing value and trump anything else for the same money.

[mikey k]

I bought a 650 speced to my build, I did 20k miles in it in 2 years. Ironically I part ex exchanged it at GVE whilst your 720 was there. It cost me £50k, which I thoroughly enjoyed. They vast majority of car purchases will always lose money, it's the way of the world.
If you gamble flipping you should accept you may not make money. Niave to think other wise.
I'm looking forward to putting many miles on my 675 and enjoying the incredible machines McLaren craft.

[Matty3]

A rather more measured post TGEVE - you are obviously getting to grips on how to use the internet to your best advantage

I have lost money on every car I have ever bought - it's a sad fact of life - a BMW dealer once proffered that as soon as you drive a new car out of the showroom - wallop 20% value immediately gone - are supercars any different? - not in my experience - sadly! but I have never concerned myself with this as the thrill and joy of driving them is priceless and well worth the dip in their value - money well spent!!

Richard (Dick for short)

[topjay]

Cars lose money, people have lost sight of that and have lived in odd times over the last few years. Mclarens seem worst than most, but you can be lucky or unlucky, my huracan which was a very early one, by recent standards should have been a car due a premium but at £220 new it lost about £50k the first time i sat in it! They oversupplied the uk at the time and they have pretty much not lost any money since then.

Bentley again new, i don't even like to think about what it cost me. But you have to pay to play, if its worth it or you can afford it is another matter. Appreciate the positives its an expensive hobby no one needs one most people go in with their eyes open and if you don't thats really a bit silly.

When i was younger i bought a supercar I couldn't really afford, it was a horrible experience half of the time as the joy of it was taken by the fear of price drops or a big bill and even petrol. Mclaren owners make me laugh, you should try an old lamborghini if you think they have problems, lucky not to have bits coming off in your hands but now they are silly money. Perception is as much a self fulfilling prophecy as actual reliability. Enjoy your cars and stop reading the internet because as mentioned no one comes to write about they things that didn't break or go wrong.