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justin220 said:
Absolutely love that after viewing it a good few times.
Wasn't sure on initial looking, but those last pictures look great.
Performance is unreal!
I'm literally the polar opposite. The more I look at it the more awful it gets. There's just so many things to dislike about the exterior, overall and in detail. It's retro-futurism justified by aerodynamicists not actual homogenous design. The brutalism of the Senna looks better and better each time I look at this (and I don't much care for that design either).Wasn't sure on initial looking, but those last pictures look great.
Performance is unreal!
The thing I don’t really get is that the entire focus of the car is to be their fastest, so the aero is all about the top speed and has driven the whole design. But relatively speaking it’s not that fast.
So it’s all about being a ‘Hyper GT’ then? Okay great, you can seat three, but where’s the luggage space? There was loads on the F1.
Confused project.
So it’s all about being a ‘Hyper GT’ then? Okay great, you can seat three, but where’s the luggage space? There was loads on the F1.
Confused project.
I guess when he got the renderings he really wasn't happy, anyway he did a good job of redesigning the scenery, now it all looks fine 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg
flemke said:
TheKC said:
Looks a lot better in this picture! But they need to get rid of that awful alloy cover!
Wheel cover is carbon-fibre with a whitish metallic paint on it. As a sculptural object, it is actually one of the nicest parts of the car (although that is a relative statement.)
Beefmeister said:
The thing I don’t really get is that the entire focus of the car is to be their fastest, so the aero is all about the top speed and has driven the whole design. But relatively speaking it’s not that fast.
So it’s all about being a ‘Hyper GT’ then? Okay great, you can seat three, but where’s the luggage space? There was loads on the F1.
Confused project.
..and how is this a car for everyday/town driving when it's that low, that wide and that looooooooong? Even with cameras, it's not exactly going to be the easiest thing to park or manoeuvre. I just keep thinking of the video of the Veyron backing into the La Ferrari in London.So it’s all about being a ‘Hyper GT’ then? Okay great, you can seat three, but where’s the luggage space? There was loads on the F1.
Confused project.
Beefmeister said:
20s on Photoshop has fixed the front wheel. But I'm still not sure about it...
Personally I think the wheel covers are key part of the design.It's designed with an objective in mind, and they don't give a f
k how it looks. Many of the best designs are like this - requiring the user to change their preconceptions.The Surveyor said:
For me, it looks to much like a Group C Le Mans car, and not enough like the super-fast luxury GT I expected. I see this looking great with loads of stickers and stripes blatting around a track rather than pulling up outside a film premier.
By God I hope it's fast.....
I was just thinking exactly the same, especially from the side profile. By God I hope it's fast.....
EddieSteadyGo said:
Personally I think the wheel covers are key part of the design.
It's designed with an objective in mind, and they don't give a fk how it looks. Many of the best designs are like this - requiring the user to change their preconceptions.
DB7 was launched with wheel disks that looked like a solid alloys but were essentially posh hubcaps. Many owners hated them and took them off leaving the centre hub and wheels nuts exposed which promptly rusted. Aston Martin produced a smaller hubcap to cover just the wheel nuts (to stop complaints and warranty claims) and this became the "new" wheel for the Dunhill edition and beyond. The wheel had always been a spoked design but was intended to be mostly hidden. Customer perception was largely that it looked terrible and the company was forced to abandon it. Far from chaning preconceptions, there was a rapid backtrack despite this being core to the design.It's designed with an objective in mind, and they don't give a f
k how it looks. Many of the best designs are like this - requiring the user to change their preconceptions.Now, that was pure aesthetics and not for airflow but functionality will absolutely not stop customers removing it or, as they have with P1 and will with Sennas, taking off the OE wheels and fitting others they see as more appropriate, airflow be damned.
I'll be honest, however clever it is in Woking engineers' minds, to me the wheel cover looks like an Audi A5 space-saver - all it lacks is the 50kph max sticker and yellow rim.
Macboy said:
DB7 was launched with wheel disks that looked like a solid alloys but were essentially posh hubcaps. Many owners hated them and took them off leaving the centre hub and wheels nuts exposed which promptly rusted. Aston Martin produced a smaller hubcap to cover just the wheel nuts (to stop complaints and warranty claims) and this became the "new" wheel for the Dunhill edition and beyond. The wheel had always been a spoked design but was intended to be mostly hidden. Customer perception was largely that it looked terrible and the company was forced to abandon it. Far from chaning preconceptions, there was a rapid backtrack despite this being core to the design.
Now, that was pure aesthetics and not for airflow but functionality will absolutely not stop customers removing it or, as they have with P1 and will with Sennas, taking off the OE wheels and fitting others they see as more appropriate, airflow be damned.
I'll be honest, however clever it is in Woking engineers' minds, to me the wheel cover looks like an Audi A5 space-saver - all it lacks is the 50kph max sticker and yellow rim.
As you say, the objective for the DB7 wheels was aesthetics, so to my thinking that isn't really applicable. Now, that was pure aesthetics and not for airflow but functionality will absolutely not stop customers removing it or, as they have with P1 and will with Sennas, taking off the OE wheels and fitting others they see as more appropriate, airflow be damned.
I'll be honest, however clever it is in Woking engineers' minds, to me the wheel cover looks like an Audi A5 space-saver - all it lacks is the 50kph max sticker and yellow rim.
I wonder if there would be some benefit from fitting a similar design on the rear wheels.
FWIW, I think Mclaren are pursing the right engineering strategy. Explore each performance niche, trying to excel, taking the design where the performance objectives dictates.
EddieSteadyGo said:
As you say, the objective for the DB7 wheels was aesthetics, so to my thinking that isn't really applicable.
I wonder if there would be some benefit from fitting a similar design on the rear wheels.
FWIW, I think Mclaren are pursing the right engineering strategy. Explore each performance niche, trying to excel, taking the design where the performance objectives dictates.
What I'm saying is, regardless of function or aesthetics you're not going to change the way people look at the car and how they view the disks (regardless of coaxing/"education" from Mclaren. Your point was people need to change their viewpoint and accept that different wheels front to back is the new normal (for this car). My point is to owners, ugly is ugly. If they don't like the look (and many won't) they will take the disks off or change the wheels. Simple. I wonder if there would be some benefit from fitting a similar design on the rear wheels.
FWIW, I think Mclaren are pursing the right engineering strategy. Explore each performance niche, trying to excel, taking the design where the performance objectives dictates.
Macboy said:
What I'm saying is, regardless of function or aesthetics you're not going to change the way people look at the car and how they view the disks (regardless of coaxing/"education" from Mclaren. Your point was people need to change their viewpoint and accept that different wheels front to back is the new normal (for this car). My point is to owners, ugly is ugly. If they don't like the look (and many won't) they will take the disks off or change the wheels. Simple.
I get your point together with your assertions. Will be interesting to see 
Beefmeister said:
The thing I don’t really get is that the entire focus of the car is to be their fastest, so the aero is all about the top speed and has driven the whole design. But relatively speaking it’s not that fast.
How is it "not that fast" , 250mph and 0-300kph in 12.8s, what are you comparing it to 
TB993tt said:
How is it "not that fast" , 250mph and 0-300kph in 12.8s, what are you comparing it to
Chiron, Koenigsegg to name but two. They both achieve a higher top speed with normal mirrors and body shapes. My point being they can do this with normal design by adding huge amounts of horsepower into the mix. With the aero this thing has I’m surprised it will only do 250. As I said, relatively speaking.
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