Harris doesn’t rate senna
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flemke said:
On the same tyres? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsPfnbk0DtQwas on slicks but the gt2 was quicker on the straights so would have negated some of the time. I'm personally skeptical that slicks would have been able to make up the ~5 seconds a lap difference between them with this in mind
CB44 said:
I am reliably informed that Harris requested a change of date on the Senna launch at Estoril because he couldn't make it, got stroppy when they didn't change it. He then had 3 laps in a customer Senna (not arranged by McLaren) at Silverstone this summer, not enough to even warm the tyres properly.
Now he spits out this s
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He is too busy crashing Porsches to write anything worth reading at the moment.
This is an interesting inside track on the situationNow he spits out this s
t. He is too busy crashing Porsches to write anything worth reading at the moment.
WCZ said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsPfnbk0DtQ
was on slicks but the gt2 was quicker on the straights so would have negated some of the time. I'm personally skeptical that slicks would have been able to make up the ~5 seconds a lap difference between them with this in mind
I suggest you look up the data traces of the 2 cars on rennlist. Slicks (plus lighter weight) give the Cup a huge cornering advantage. The gt2rs might have had higher peak speeds on straights where the circuit is rather favourable to a high powered car but even so with lower corner exit speeds, all that extra power took a hell of a long time to have the 2rs hit higher speeds than the Cup. The time gained in corners on slicks far outweighs the gain due to power differential.was on slicks but the gt2 was quicker on the straights so would have negated some of the time. I'm personally skeptical that slicks would have been able to make up the ~5 seconds a lap difference between them with this in mind
Car journalist in speaking his own mind shock.
Forum users over the last few days have been frothing at the mouth when popular car journalist and TV presenter, Monkey Harris, formed an opinion of his own.
The online car club members have been rocked to their very core that Mr Chimp had the moral turpitude to not regurgitate the fawning expressions that PR men so love to hear about their own products, in regard to a hideous and generally pointless car that you can't buy without being registered legally blind and at a massive premium over what it should cost.
Speculators in the Suzuki X-90 are reported to have welcomed the news that an ugly, pointless 2 seat car is selling well.
Forum users over the last few days have been frothing at the mouth when popular car journalist and TV presenter, Monkey Harris, formed an opinion of his own.
The online car club members have been rocked to their very core that Mr Chimp had the moral turpitude to not regurgitate the fawning expressions that PR men so love to hear about their own products, in regard to a hideous and generally pointless car that you can't buy without being registered legally blind and at a massive premium over what it should cost.
Speculators in the Suzuki X-90 are reported to have welcomed the news that an ugly, pointless 2 seat car is selling well.
isaldiri said:
I suggest you look up the data traces of the 2 cars on rennlist. Slicks (plus lighter weight) give the Cup a huge cornering advantage. The gt2rs might have had higher peak speeds on straights where the circuit is rather favourable to a high powered car but even so with lower corner exit speeds, all that extra power took a hell of a long time to have the 2rs hit higher speeds than the Cup. The time gained in corners on slicks far outweighs the gain due to power differential.
what do you estimate the difference would be with a gt2rs on slicks vs a cup car?IMI A said:
Seems like Porsche following suit with 935 which I don't believe even has a proper dry sump race derived engine which is odd for a track only car? Think 935 engine is just an upgraded dfi unit from 911 turbo s. All sold out though! Incredible!!
DFI are being used on cup cars for a while now. And of course it has a dry sump. But regardless, go see an in depth on it, makes the mezger look silly. They could had make it much better tho. Even the street gt2 rs is FAR from the turbo, even the reinforcements on chassis are different, the solutions are totally different, chassis is straight from the cup with different cut points (ride height), even the cooler fins are different, hundreds if not thousands of very small details that are not much different but solve problems people don't even had had with the turbos.
WCZ said:
I'm personally skeptical that slicks would have been able to make up the ~5 seconds a lap difference between them with this in mind
If you think slicks won't give you even 5 seconds a lap, it's a conversation not worthy to have. The new cup r alone give almost that difference to cup 2, slicks are just adding single to double digits depending on softness, especially on an high power car. Don1 said:
Car journalist in speaking his own mind shock.
Forum users over the last few days have been frothing at the mouth when popular car journalist and TV presenter, Monkey Harris, formed an opinion of his own.
The online car club members have been rocked to their very core that Mr Chimp had the moral turpitude to not regurgitate the fawning expressions that PR men so love to hear about their own products, in regard to a hideous and generally pointless car that you can't buy without being registered legally blind and at a massive premium over what it should cost.
Speculators in the Suzuki X-90 are reported to have welcomed the news that an ugly, pointless 2 seat car is selling well.
lol!Forum users over the last few days have been frothing at the mouth when popular car journalist and TV presenter, Monkey Harris, formed an opinion of his own.
The online car club members have been rocked to their very core that Mr Chimp had the moral turpitude to not regurgitate the fawning expressions that PR men so love to hear about their own products, in regard to a hideous and generally pointless car that you can't buy without being registered legally blind and at a massive premium over what it should cost.
Speculators in the Suzuki X-90 are reported to have welcomed the news that an ugly, pointless 2 seat car is selling well.
Alex West will have done plenty to warm the tyres up before handing his keys over to Harris, so I'm not convinced the rubber was to blame as some have discussed.
He drove it back to back with the Garage 59 Blanc Pain 650S car, which explains his perspective at the time
Frankly would it really be surprising if the Senna is deliberately balanced for under steer? Not really.
Harris likes to do skids. Senna goes fast without skidding. Makes sense.
Harris has finally got around to releasing the video of his Senna versus 650S GT3 test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-kK2cWDcWU
It would be interesting to see what the Senna could do on a set of slicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-kK2cWDcWU
It would be interesting to see what the Senna could do on a set of slicks.
thegreenhell said:
Harris has finally got around to releasing the video of his Senna versus 650S GT3 test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-kK2cWDcWU
It would be interesting to see what the Senna could do on a set of slicks.
Furthermore, a racing car comes from the factory with default suspension settings, which the team will then tweak and refine until the package is working perfectly for the requirements of a specific circuit. The Senna road car would have been on its factory default settings designed for Joe Everyman to drive on the public roads in the rain on cold tyres. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-kK2cWDcWU
It would be interesting to see what the Senna could do on a set of slicks.
thegreenhell said:
Harris has finally got around to releasing the video of his Senna versus 650S GT3 test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-kK2cWDcWU
It would be interesting to see what the Senna could do on a set of slicks.
It would equally be interesting to see how much faster the new 720S GT3 could go, then how much faster it could go again with the restricters removed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-kK2cWDcWU
It would be interesting to see what the Senna could do on a set of slicks.
I'd predict a slick shod Senna, or even a Senna GTR would get obliterated.
Olivera said:
It would equally be interesting to see how much faster the new 720S GT3 could go
That would entirely depend on the BoP adjustment applied on either car. Absolute performance in GT3 is a bit of a red herring as there's always some kind of BoP factor applied on the different cars.Harris doesn't seem to have an agenda and every McLaren he has tested he has loved and flies the flag for McLaren.
He has given his initial impression in print and backed it up with a test to answer claims.
It may not be fair that its up against the race car with slicks but that's the statement that was made...not that 'its as quick as the race car on road tyres'...why would it ever wear road tyres?
It is a very challenging car to look at and i wonder if the 720 LT version will make it look like a very expensive purchase to current owners...because that is going to be mighty, mighty quick....most likely quicker than the Senna.
He has given his initial impression in print and backed it up with a test to answer claims.
It may not be fair that its up against the race car with slicks but that's the statement that was made...not that 'its as quick as the race car on road tyres'...why would it ever wear road tyres?
It is a very challenging car to look at and i wonder if the 720 LT version will make it look like a very expensive purchase to current owners...because that is going to be mighty, mighty quick....most likely quicker than the Senna.
Firstly the GT3 650s was produced in low quantities (~16) so couldn't easily be bought and it's still £450,000 so not exactly cheap.
Harris seems to love the GT2 RS which vs a 911 cup car measures up like this:
+215bhp more than the 911 cup
+£70,000 more expensive
+6 seconds slower a lap round road america
if you want to talk value for money vs lap times then an RXC Turbo @ £100k will give similar lap times to the Senna (which is much faster than the gt2 round circuits)
presuming the GTR on slicks will be able to beat the gt3 650s.
Harris seems to love the GT2 RS which vs a 911 cup car measures up like this:
+215bhp more than the 911 cup
+£70,000 more expensive
+6 seconds slower a lap round road america
if you want to talk value for money vs lap times then an RXC Turbo @ £100k will give similar lap times to the Senna (which is much faster than the gt2 round circuits)
presuming the GTR on slicks will be able to beat the gt3 650s.
It wasn't just a comparison that Harris thought up from nowhere, though. McLaren themselves said it would be as fast as a GT3 car, or something along those lines. It's a bit like when Ron said the P1 would be the fastest road car around any track, bar none, and was promptly proven slower than the 918 around most tracks.
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