Michelin Cup 2’s or Pirelli P Zero Corsas
Discussion
Having reviewed the state of my rear tyres I now need to consider replacing and would appreciate input from any McLaren owners experience
My 570s came standard with Pirelli P Zeros and they are no doubt an excellent tyre but I have run my Lotus’s on Cup 2’s which are fantastic in the dry .
Do I stick with The Pirelli’s particularly as fronts are and still with plenty of tread on them or switch to Michelin which also happen to be a good £100 less per tyre
My 570s came standard with Pirelli P Zeros and they are no doubt an excellent tyre but I have run my Lotus’s on Cup 2’s which are fantastic in the dry .
Do I stick with The Pirelli’s particularly as fronts are and still with plenty of tread on them or switch to Michelin which also happen to be a good £100 less per tyre
TB993tt said:
You want Michelin PS4S.
They are so much better than the P Zeros it is unreal, massively more traction and just feel stickier in all situations.
They worked so well on my 570 that when I got a nail in the rear PZero of my 720 and was presented with a Mclaren quote of £640 for one tyre I man mathed a set of PS4Ss and the difference is incredible 50% more traction and grip and amazingly better in the wet and damp.
They are so much better than the P Zeros it is unreal, massively more traction and just feel stickier in all situations.
They worked so well on my 570 that when I got a nail in the rear PZero of my 720 and was presented with a Mclaren quote of £640 for one tyre I man mathed a set of PS4Ss and the difference is incredible 50% more traction and grip and amazingly better in the wet and damp.
Interesting views ,
The Cup 2’s and the P4s are similarly priced while the Corsas are way more .
TB993tt said:
You want Michelin PS4S.
They are so much better than the P Zeros it is unreal, massively more traction and just feel stickier in all situations.
They worked so well on my 570 that when I got a nail in the rear PZero of my 720 and was presented with a Mclaren quote of £640 for one tyre I man mathed a set of PS4Ss and the difference is incredible 50% more traction and grip and amazingly better in the wet and damp.
TB did you Need to fit spacers to stop the Michelin tyre rubbing on the inner wing? I’m sure I read that somewhere, maybe it was the cup 2’sThey are so much better than the P Zeros it is unreal, massively more traction and just feel stickier in all situations.
They worked so well on my 570 that when I got a nail in the rear PZero of my 720 and was presented with a Mclaren quote of £640 for one tyre I man mathed a set of PS4Ss and the difference is incredible 50% more traction and grip and amazingly better in the wet and damp.
P4S is a great tyre but not anywhere near as sticky as a Cup 2 in dry conditions. Cups however do not like cold weather., P4S a better all weather option.
Both are better than the Pirellis, fitted to Macs because of commercial tie ups I suspect rather than any intrinsic performance avantages. Michelins last longer as well.
Both are better than the Pirellis, fitted to Macs because of commercial tie ups I suspect rather than any intrinsic performance avantages. Michelins last longer as well.
993AL said:
TB did you Need to fit spacers to stop the Michelin tyre rubbing on the inner wing? I’m sure I read that somewhere, maybe it was the cup 2’s
Spacers are required with Cup2s on the P11 cars to reduce the likelihood of damage on the rear wheel arch liners. Can't say for certain about the P13 cars.[quote=TB993tt]
No rubbing on the 570 or 720 in factory stock sizes.
MOD500 has them on his new 675LT and I'm pretty sure no rubbing issues there either.
I'll say it again the 4S are MASSIVELY better than the stock PZeros a veritable grip fest and especially good in crap UK weather.
Good to know that there is a choice of tyres but can’t fathom out why the 4s is a better tyre than P Zeros. The P Zeros are almost twice the price !!
Any thoughts
No rubbing on the 570 or 720 in factory stock sizes.
MOD500 has them on his new 675LT and I'm pretty sure no rubbing issues there either.
I'll say it again the 4S are MASSIVELY better than the stock PZeros a veritable grip fest and especially good in crap UK weather.
Good to know that there is a choice of tyres but can’t fathom out why the 4s is a better tyre than P Zeros. The P Zeros are almost twice the price !!
Any thoughts
Just had confirmation from McLaren that the only tyres that they endorse for UK Market are currently :
Pirelli P Zero Corsas for more track focussed driving and standard P Zero for a compromise
However would appear that Michelin Cup 2 are fully ok particularly for a more track focus
Seems for the money that the Cup 2’s are favourite
Pirelli P Zero Corsas for more track focussed driving and standard P Zero for a compromise
However would appear that Michelin Cup 2 are fully ok particularly for a more track focus
Seems for the money that the Cup 2’s are favourite
Dblue said:
P4S is a great tyre but not anywhere near as sticky as a Cup 2 in dry conditions. Cups however do not like cold weather., P4S a better all weather option.
Both are better than the Pirellis, fitted to Macs because of commercial tie ups I suspect rather than any intrinsic performance avantages. Michelins last longer as well.
It's funny isn't it, the company is obsessed with performance and detail but will put inferior tyres on. I wonder how much it is worth to them it's not like they sell that many cars in the sceme of things compared to the big manufacturers.Both are better than the Pirellis, fitted to Macs because of commercial tie ups I suspect rather than any intrinsic performance avantages. Michelins last longer as well.
FWIW I have changed all my cars to PS4S since PS4S came out, and they are sensational.
If you are only going to take your car out in dry weather and you do track days the Cups have some point but even then, you book a trackday, if it's wet the Cups are not great & will be easily outperformed by PS4S. And on the way there & back, or anywhere else, if it rains, the Cups are not designed for that and in the unlikely event of having to do an emergency stop on a motorway you might wish you weren't on track tyres.
Surely the car has enough grip to enjoy the handling on all year tyres?
I agree with Jake. Had Cup 2’s on my GT3 and never really liked them. I like to use my cars in all conditions and the Cup 2’s are great in the warm/dry, but range from not great to truly poop inducing in the cold/wet. I suppose for a fair weather/track only car they’d be great - otherwise I’d personally avoid them.
I have every sports car on Cup2s. They have imo sufficient wet weather performance outside of serious standing water (in which case very wide rear tyres on any tyre will be an issue) and generally feel much better on the road/track than the softer sidewalled supersports/PS4S so it's a no brainer for me.
Rocketreid said:
Just had confirmation from McLaren that the only tyres that they endorse for UK Market are currently :
Pirelli P Zero Corsas for more track focussed driving and standard P Zero for a compromise
However would appear that Michelin Cup 2 are fully ok particularly for a more track focus
Seems for the money that the Cup 2’s are favourite
That would make sense, even on the Michelin website they don't list the PS4s as being suitable for McLarens. They do list the Pilot Sport Cup 2, and on the Super Series McLaren cars the Pilot Super Sport tyre, not the PS4s. It's not surprising that McLaren won't endorse a tyre when the tyre manufacturer won't either.Pirelli P Zero Corsas for more track focussed driving and standard P Zero for a compromise
However would appear that Michelin Cup 2 are fully ok particularly for a more track focus
Seems for the money that the Cup 2’s are favourite
With the 600LT being supplied on P Zero Trofeo R tyres, would that not be a closer alternative to the Cup2 for outright track performance, with the P Zero Corsa being for fast road / occasional track, and the standard P Zero for general mooching about?
Also with Pirelli launching a new version of the Corsa and standard P Zero, does anybody have any comparisons between the new and old versions?
My 570s will be due some new boots soon and I'm weighing up the benefits of switching to the new Corsa from the original standard P Zero the car came with
The Surveyor said:
Also with Pirelli launching a new version of the Corsa and standard P Zero, does anybody have any comparisons between the new and old versions?
My 570s will be due some new boots soon and I'm weighing up the benefits of switching to the new Corsa from the original standard P Zero the car came with
The new Pirellis were already launched. the 570 and 720 came on the new tread pattern for both the Corsa and Pzero which are quite different from the ones on the 650/12c. Well unless Pirelli are coming up with yet another set of new Corsas/Pzeros but I doubt that.My 570s will be due some new boots soon and I'm weighing up the benefits of switching to the new Corsa from the original standard P Zero the car came with
isaldiri said:
The Surveyor said:
Also with Pirelli launching a new version of the Corsa and standard P Zero, does anybody have any comparisons between the new and old versions?
My 570s will be due some new boots soon and I'm weighing up the benefits of switching to the new Corsa from the original standard P Zero the car came with
The new Pirellis were already launched. the 570 and 720 came on the new tread pattern for both the Corsa and Pzero which are quite different from the ones on the 650/12c. Well unless Pirelli are coming up with yet another set of new Corsas/Pzeros but I doubt that.My 570s will be due some new boots soon and I'm weighing up the benefits of switching to the new Corsa from the original standard P Zero the car came with
P Zero
'New' P Zero
They also list a 'New' P Zero Corsa. I must admit though that the tread pattern on the 'new' tyre looks the same as my old ones... now quite confused
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