Another Senna Fire
Discussion
davek_964 said:
Juno said:
...Unlike Porsche who put a 10 year warranty on GT3 engines to show faith in the product!!!...
Didn't do that with M96 engines though did they.......Yeah but problems with Porsche or Ferrari is character! That’s soul!
I think it’s because even the McLaren from 7-8yrs age will still trump the modern F cars and Porsche’s on a circuit, mclarens are just that fast and engaging! I out accelerated a 458 something rotten in a 12c on a circuit! Best day of my life tbh!
I think it’s because even the McLaren from 7-8yrs age will still trump the modern F cars and Porsche’s on a circuit, mclarens are just that fast and engaging! I out accelerated a 458 something rotten in a 12c on a circuit! Best day of my life tbh!
BlackR8 said:
serious question, why so much hate for McLaren on this forum????
I am not a McLaren owner but do aspire to get one, so tend to read through McLaren threads and it seems nearly every thread turns into constant barrage of criticism and negativity. As another poster said many cars have problems, I had a Porsche 911 once and I remember the fear of ending up with borescoring across multiple years of the 996 and 997 range yet whilst this was acknowledged there was and still is alot of love for these cars. When it comes to McLaren it feels like any trip-up is magnified 10 times compared to any other marque. Can't quite get my head around where this stems from and why McLaren have ended up being so hated on here.
No idea why there is so much negativity. We have owned 8 McLarens including a P1 and Senna and never had any major issues (details are all on our blog). Even the number of minor issues I could count on one hand. In comparison, our Porsche Cayenne had more issues in one year than all the McLarens combined in eight. I am not a McLaren owner but do aspire to get one, so tend to read through McLaren threads and it seems nearly every thread turns into constant barrage of criticism and negativity. As another poster said many cars have problems, I had a Porsche 911 once and I remember the fear of ending up with borescoring across multiple years of the 996 and 997 range yet whilst this was acknowledged there was and still is alot of love for these cars. When it comes to McLaren it feels like any trip-up is magnified 10 times compared to any other marque. Can't quite get my head around where this stems from and why McLaren have ended up being so hated on here.
BoxerF50 said:
BlackR8 said:
serious question, why so much hate for McLaren on this forum????
I am not a McLaren owner but do aspire to get one, so tend to read through McLaren threads and it seems nearly every thread turns into constant barrage of criticism and negativity. As another poster said many cars have problems, I had a Porsche 911 once and I remember the fear of ending up with borescoring across multiple years of the 996 and 997 range yet whilst this was acknowledged there was and still is alot of love for these cars. When it comes to McLaren it feels like any trip-up is magnified 10 times compared to any other marque. Can't quite get my head around where this stems from and why McLaren have ended up being so hated on here.
No idea why there is so much negativity. We have owned 8 McLarens including a P1 and Senna and never had any major issues (details are all on our blog). Even the number of minor issues I could count on one hand. In comparison, our Porsche Cayenne had more issues in one year than all the McLarens combined in eight. I am not a McLaren owner but do aspire to get one, so tend to read through McLaren threads and it seems nearly every thread turns into constant barrage of criticism and negativity. As another poster said many cars have problems, I had a Porsche 911 once and I remember the fear of ending up with borescoring across multiple years of the 996 and 997 range yet whilst this was acknowledged there was and still is alot of love for these cars. When it comes to McLaren it feels like any trip-up is magnified 10 times compared to any other marque. Can't quite get my head around where this stems from and why McLaren have ended up being so hated on here.
Out and about, i have not experienced any negativity at all...in fact its all been the total opposite; all very enthusiastic responses from people delighted to see something that looks like a spaceship...and goes like one also.
Its really on here that the usual suspects try to hijack every thread...i respect the posts from previous or current owners that have had issues, but like most, have absolute no interest with the non owners constantly trying to talk down a great British made supercar manufacturer that's in its nappies and finding its feet, with its main problem being that it can actually run faster than the other older kids, and is more advanced than them also.
I have views on the other manufactures mentioned, and at some point i have been long term owner of both Ferrari and Porsche, but feel no need to jump on their forums and be bitter and talk down the models....i think maybe i am enjoying the McLaren experience too much to waste energy...
BoxerF50 said:
No idea why there is so much negativity. We have owned 8 McLarens including a P1 and Senna and never had any major issues (details are all on our blog). Even the number of minor issues I could count on one hand. In comparison, our Porsche Cayenne had more issues in one year than all the McLarens combined in eight.
I think I can explain it and please don’t see any reference as being rude.Nowadays car buying has opened up to a far larger audience with more of your “average men types” buying them (women as well in some cases) Many cars that were once only the dreams of many are now achievable purchases through the various ownership routes.
IMO some of the people entering the market get caught up in the hype and hysteria of the moment and probably overstretch themselves (this is not just a Mclaren issue but most new entrants won’t be able to buy a new GT or Ferrari product whereas Mclaren hardly turn away buyers, hence there are probably more of these types in Mclarens)
I don’t think they are long term car nuts but more of a new breed car buyer who though having the latest shinny thing was a cool thing to do. I very much doubt most would have fully understood the car market fully with regards to, depreciation,service,warranty costs etc. That all works if you bought a car for the long haul as an owing enthusiast type ( 3 years etc). I’m sure they also believed every word the salesman told them! “you’ll be fine” trust me it’s a Mclaren
The issue comes once the initial love affair has passed and these owners want out. The exit route on Mclaren cars is clearly financially more painful than the completion. Add that to the delay in dealers being able to repair minor faults quickly during ownership and you have created the perfect storm of discontent
In summary there are more of this buyer type sitting Mclarens than other brands,hence the noise!
This doesn’t give the experienced and enthusiast car buyers the best buying signals or confidence to join in hence the reasons why many like me to date have not.
An owner in one of the previous threads explains that owing two cars cost him an absolute fortune and he wouldn’t do it again, I’ll also guess he didn’t really expect it either
The cars look great the ownership proposition not so great.
Looking at your car buying history you have obviously done very well for yourself and probably don’t have to stretch yourself to own these cars, congratulations on being in a position and enjoying the cars without the worries most of us experience! I think the majority of buyers are from the former club though,hence the views to date!
Edited by Juno on Thursday 4th July 19:37
12pack said:
355spiderguy said:
'We're gonna need a bigger boat'
You have netted the usual suspects and more with that one 12pack...outstanding...
"What me, jealous? No! I just, for no other reason, feel the need to denigrate a marque I don't / can't have".
I've never said a f
king word to either of you before.You think I can't have a McLaren?
ghost83 said:
Yeah but problems with Porsche or Ferrari is character! That’s soul!
I think it’s because even the McLaren from 7-8yrs age will still trump the modern F cars and Porsche’s on a circuit, mclarens are just that fast and engaging! I out accelerated a 458 something rotten in a 12c on a circuit! Best day of my life tbh!
I’d be pissed if it happened to my Porsche! Just as well the GT Is out of reach for me.I think it’s because even the McLaren from 7-8yrs age will still trump the modern F cars and Porsche’s on a circuit, mclarens are just that fast and engaging! I out accelerated a 458 something rotten in a 12c on a circuit! Best day of my life tbh!
I do like McLarens though.
ghost83 said:
Yeah but problems with Porsche or Ferrari is character! That’s soul!
I think it’s because even the McLaren from 7-8yrs age will still trump the modern F cars and Porsche’s on a circuit, mclarens are just that fast and engaging! I out accelerated a 458 something rotten in a 12c on a circuit! Best day of my life tbh!
You must have had a dull life I think it’s because even the McLaren from 7-8yrs age will still trump the modern F cars and Porsche’s on a circuit, mclarens are just that fast and engaging! I out accelerated a 458 something rotten in a 12c on a circuit! Best day of my life tbh!
RBT0 said:
My 600LT didnt catch fire on Saturday and considering bloody hot exhausts on the back and bloody hot weather on that day I call it an achievement!
Suggest you moron go away and put fuel on other topics...only true Senna customers may be in a position to answer your question.
Btw I read on the press McLaren is already on the case...
If not catching fire is an 'achievement' it already speaks volumes about how flammability is an issue. Suggest you moron go away and put fuel on other topics...only true Senna customers may be in a position to answer your question.
Btw I read on the press McLaren is already on the case...
If the story sticks and McLaren aren't seen to do everything they can about it then the whole brand will suffer.
To call the OP a moron and ask he fuel other topics (your phrase made me chuckle btw) maybe hints at your genuine fear...
12pack said:
Indeed.
"What me, jealous? No! I just, for no other reason, feel the need to denigrate a marque I don't / can't have".
One of the most arrogant and pathetic posts I've seen on PH."What me, jealous? No! I just, for no other reason, feel the need to denigrate a marque I don't / can't have".
Personally, I haven't denigrated the marque, I've simply said they don't do much for me.
So I'm jealous, correct?
And anyone who doesn't worship your car is only behaving like that because they "can't" have one?
I find the need for some people to frequently post on McLaren forums / stories that the brand and cars ‘do nothing for me’ very unusual.
I couldn’t care less about Corvettes - they don’t excite me and I have no interest. So I don’t visit the Corvette forum on here (or elsewhere).
I’d suggest that those claiming to not care about McLarens are proving quite the opposite by bothering to read and then post.
I couldn’t care less about Corvettes - they don’t excite me and I have no interest. So I don’t visit the Corvette forum on here (or elsewhere).
I’d suggest that those claiming to not care about McLarens are proving quite the opposite by bothering to read and then post.
The Surveyor said:
This whole thread has tuned into something both cringeworthy and toxic.
Haha tbh I love Mclaren's cars and everything they're doing at the moment. The only reason started this topic to see peoples opinions on how they seem to be handling the situation. It seems though the Mclaren Mafia have taken it to heart. DB77 said:
I find the need for some people to frequently post on McLaren forums / stories that the brand and cars ‘do nothing for me’ very unusual.
I couldn’t care less about Corvettes - they don’t excite me and I have no interest. So I don’t visit the Corvette forum on here (or elsewhere).
I’d suggest that those claiming to not care about McLarens are proving quite the opposite by bothering to read and then post.
Absolutely spot on.I couldn’t care less about Corvettes - they don’t excite me and I have no interest. So I don’t visit the Corvette forum on here (or elsewhere).
I’d suggest that those claiming to not care about McLarens are proving quite the opposite by bothering to read and then post.
I don't go and spread noise on brand forum I am not interest in.
So either some people love to create arguments for no reason - stupid! - or they have a hidden interest in Macca.
Now my british humour is not the best but my post - trip with my 600LT during heat wave - was clearly a joke to have a laugh on McLaren catching fire, trip was real though! Not surprised some of the people above described can take it as excuse for further arguments.
Edited by RBT0 on Friday 5th July 13:29
TomL121 said:
The Surveyor said:
This whole thread has tuned into something both cringeworthy and toxic.
Haha tbh I love Mclaren's cars and everything they're doing at the moment. The only reason started this topic to see peoples opinions on how they seem to be handling the situation. It seems though the Mclaren Mafia have taken it to heart. Ok. So back on topic.
Grand total ( as far as i am aware ) of 2 Sennas catching fire.
Not quite the large amount of 458, Gt3s or Zafiras that have burst into flames.
One that had been getting used hard on track over the race weekend, then it caught fire on a parade lap, extinguished and back to McLaren for an immediate investigation.
The other, a youtube blogger that requires views and subscribers to atract advertising revenues for income, bursts into flames 11 days after taking ownership, internet suspicions raised by his wife's comments during filming immediately after, next video then raises about wether the insurance payout shall be at cost or the premium price ($2-300,000.00 over?) Then an unsubstantiated and frankly very hard to conceive claim McLaren have rubbered him and have no interest at all in his Senna.
With everything, there is always 3 sides to the story...in this case, his, McLarens and the actual truth.
In my short time of McLaren ownership, i have had a few dealings with McLaren Glasgow whom have been 1st class, and the McLaren paintshop in East Kilbride whom were also magnificent. Both have bent over backwards to help out...i would in fact say they have went way beyond the call of duty to help out.
None of the above really counts to the posters who prefer to constantly jump onto every McLaren thread and talk about depreciation, faults, rust, how they will get one but only when the sort themselves out, or the latest one that Mclaren owners can only get into one as the finance is cheap or some other utter pish.
Its not the McLaren mafia, its just fed up McLaren owners on the McLaren forum looking to chat with like minded McLaren owners or fans...if you don't like McLarens, or they don't do anything for you, why do you think us McLaren owners need to know this?
Grand total ( as far as i am aware ) of 2 Sennas catching fire.
Not quite the large amount of 458, Gt3s or Zafiras that have burst into flames.
One that had been getting used hard on track over the race weekend, then it caught fire on a parade lap, extinguished and back to McLaren for an immediate investigation.
The other, a youtube blogger that requires views and subscribers to atract advertising revenues for income, bursts into flames 11 days after taking ownership, internet suspicions raised by his wife's comments during filming immediately after, next video then raises about wether the insurance payout shall be at cost or the premium price ($2-300,000.00 over?) Then an unsubstantiated and frankly very hard to conceive claim McLaren have rubbered him and have no interest at all in his Senna.
With everything, there is always 3 sides to the story...in this case, his, McLarens and the actual truth.
In my short time of McLaren ownership, i have had a few dealings with McLaren Glasgow whom have been 1st class, and the McLaren paintshop in East Kilbride whom were also magnificent. Both have bent over backwards to help out...i would in fact say they have went way beyond the call of duty to help out.
None of the above really counts to the posters who prefer to constantly jump onto every McLaren thread and talk about depreciation, faults, rust, how they will get one but only when the sort themselves out, or the latest one that Mclaren owners can only get into one as the finance is cheap or some other utter pish.
Its not the McLaren mafia, its just fed up McLaren owners on the McLaren forum looking to chat with like minded McLaren owners or fans...if you don't like McLarens, or they don't do anything for you, why do you think us McLaren owners need to know this?
355spiderguy said:
Ok. So back on topic.
Grand total ( as far as i am aware ) of 2 Sennas catching fire.
Not quite the large amount of 458, Gt3s or Zafiras that have burst into flames.
One that had been getting used hard on track over the race weekend, then it caught fire on a parade lap, extinguished and back to McLaren for an immediate investigation.
The other, a youtube blogger that requires views and subscribers to atract advertising revenues for income, bursts into flames 11 days after taking ownership, internet suspicions raised by his wife's comments during filming immediately after, next video then raises about wether the insurance payout shall be at cost or the premium price ($2-300,000.00 over?) Then an unsubstantiated and frankly very hard to conceive claim McLaren have rubbered him and have no interest at all in his Senna.
With everything, there is always 3 sides to the story...in this case, his, McLarens and the actual truth.
In my short time of McLaren ownership, i have had a few dealings with McLaren Glasgow whom have been 1st class, and the McLaren paintshop in East Kilbride whom were also magnificent. Both have bent over backwards to help out...i would in fact say they have went way beyond the call of duty to help out.
None of the above really counts to the posters who prefer to constantly jump onto every McLaren thread and talk about depreciation, faults, rust, how they will get one but only when the sort themselves out, or the latest one that Mclaren owners can only get into one as the finance is cheap or some other utter pish.
Its not the McLaren mafia, its just fed up McLaren owners on the McLaren forum looking to chat with like minded McLaren owners or fans...if you don't like McLarens, or they don't do anything for you, why do you think us McLaren owners need to know this?
Thats fair, I'd be fed up of people bashing a brand that I'd love too and hearing your experience with Mclaren Glasgow is exactly the type of stuff I wanted to know, how they look after their customers etc. If it was a LaF or a 918 or any other million quid car that caught fire I'm sure someone would post about it somewhere on here. Grand total ( as far as i am aware ) of 2 Sennas catching fire.
Not quite the large amount of 458, Gt3s or Zafiras that have burst into flames.
One that had been getting used hard on track over the race weekend, then it caught fire on a parade lap, extinguished and back to McLaren for an immediate investigation.
The other, a youtube blogger that requires views and subscribers to atract advertising revenues for income, bursts into flames 11 days after taking ownership, internet suspicions raised by his wife's comments during filming immediately after, next video then raises about wether the insurance payout shall be at cost or the premium price ($2-300,000.00 over?) Then an unsubstantiated and frankly very hard to conceive claim McLaren have rubbered him and have no interest at all in his Senna.
With everything, there is always 3 sides to the story...in this case, his, McLarens and the actual truth.
In my short time of McLaren ownership, i have had a few dealings with McLaren Glasgow whom have been 1st class, and the McLaren paintshop in East Kilbride whom were also magnificent. Both have bent over backwards to help out...i would in fact say they have went way beyond the call of duty to help out.
None of the above really counts to the posters who prefer to constantly jump onto every McLaren thread and talk about depreciation, faults, rust, how they will get one but only when the sort themselves out, or the latest one that Mclaren owners can only get into one as the finance is cheap or some other utter pish.
Its not the McLaren mafia, its just fed up McLaren owners on the McLaren forum looking to chat with like minded McLaren owners or fans...if you don't like McLarens, or they don't do anything for you, why do you think us McLaren owners need to know this?
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