Another Senna Fire
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BlueIn2Red said:
PH has always been a lightly/self moderated forum, and I personally hope it remains so. If you want something more regimented and controlled, I'd suggest this place isn't for you.
I agree that most of PH is lightly / self-moderated, but the McLaren forum doesn't reflect that. I've been on PH for over 7 years, mainly lurking about with the occasional post but the McLaren forum is by far the most active within the supercar section containing misinformation and non-owners talking tripe. Maybe it’s just a case that non-owners would like to see it crash and burn (pardon the pun). MAC 720S said:
DT398 said:
The entire McLaren section of this forum has turned into a joke imho.
The non-owning nay sayers were basically hounded out and once gone, the “owners” continued to post patronising and irritating content, such as the “I know something you don’t know” about the 7xxLT or whatever it’s going to be, as if that many people really care anyway.
Someone asks a perfectly reasonable question and gets “referred to the mods” wtf?
The carrot of the awesome spectacle of some “MOC UK” members posting is offered as if we are all going to gather round whispering in hushed tones of the wisdom to come.
There’s plenty enough info on the net and YouTube to work out which is the best all rounder, biggest event, typical behaviour on track etc, so what, exactly, are we going to learn from members of MOC UK other than, maybe which one has broken down the most, but then I’d be afraid to engage in case I was reported to the mods for subversive negative content.
The trolling of eye watering depreciation was too much (even though there’s a lot of truth in it) and trashing the cars seemingly for the sake of it was also daft but the last couple of weeks have seen an attempt at completely sanitising the McLaren section on here imho with the same outcome, that it’s barely worth reading albeit for different reasons than before. All imho of course........
You seem a reasonable chap.The non-owning nay sayers were basically hounded out and once gone, the “owners” continued to post patronising and irritating content, such as the “I know something you don’t know” about the 7xxLT or whatever it’s going to be, as if that many people really care anyway.
Someone asks a perfectly reasonable question and gets “referred to the mods” wtf?
The carrot of the awesome spectacle of some “MOC UK” members posting is offered as if we are all going to gather round whispering in hushed tones of the wisdom to come.
There’s plenty enough info on the net and YouTube to work out which is the best all rounder, biggest event, typical behaviour on track etc, so what, exactly, are we going to learn from members of MOC UK other than, maybe which one has broken down the most, but then I’d be afraid to engage in case I was reported to the mods for subversive negative content.
The trolling of eye watering depreciation was too much (even though there’s a lot of truth in it) and trashing the cars seemingly for the sake of it was also daft but the last couple of weeks have seen an attempt at completely sanitising the McLaren section on here imho with the same outcome, that it’s barely worth reading albeit for different reasons than before. All imho of course........
2. As regards trolling, I just can’t see it myself.
Personally I have never expressed any opinion, either positive or negative about Mclaren.
I have no axe to grind either way and no personal experience of the brand beyond seeing the cars out and about and at car events.
But what I do see is the way some Mclaren owners react to other actual, real, McLaren owners sharing the issues that they have had. Somehow those views are seen as heretical, in what seems to have become religious for them. You are simply not allowed to not believe.
I've seen some of the posts on here by certain Porsche GT3 guys. They do the same on the Porsche forum. I think they think its banter or are granddads with no internet skills and just blurt out nonsense which can tick people off but I do think they are doing it tongue and cheek.
If I had say a 720s it really wouldn't bother me what they say. 720s a completely different class of car to a GT3. The fact that a cross continent comfortable tourer can murder a dedicated track edition shows what a car the 720s is. Ones a UFO the other is chitty chitty bang bang
Foot note - I love them both
If I had say a 720s it really wouldn't bother me what they say. 720s a completely different class of car to a GT3. The fact that a cross continent comfortable tourer can murder a dedicated track edition shows what a car the 720s is. Ones a UFO the other is chitty chitty bang bang
Foot note - I love them both
Ferruccio said:
1. Can you not see how patronising a comment like that can come across as - very primary school deputy headmaster?
2. As regards trolling, I just can’t see it myself.
Personally I have never expressed any opinion, either positive or negative about Mclaren.
I have no axe to grind either way and no personal experience of the brand beyond seeing the cars out and about and at car events.
But what I do see is the way some Mclaren owners react to other actual, real, McLaren owners sharing the issues that they have had. Somehow those views are seen as heretical, in what seems to have become religious for them. You are simply not allowed to not believe.
No, I don't see how it was patronising. It was written with the best intent. Even though I don’t fully agree with it, the post by DT398 was constructive and written without being subjective or rude. 2. As regards trolling, I just can’t see it myself.
Personally I have never expressed any opinion, either positive or negative about Mclaren.
I have no axe to grind either way and no personal experience of the brand beyond seeing the cars out and about and at car events.
But what I do see is the way some Mclaren owners react to other actual, real, McLaren owners sharing the issues that they have had. Somehow those views are seen as heretical, in what seems to have become religious for them. You are simply not allowed to not believe.
I haven't witnessed any of this > "But what I do see is the way some Mclaren owners react to other actual, real, McLaren owners sharing the issues that they have had", although I have only been using the McLaren forum since May.
MAC 720S said:
Wasn’t sure what you were referring to, but then I noticed a 07:20 post. That’s very funny.
To be fair, if anyone genuinely thought that the 'guess the name of the 765LT' was anything apart from a bit of playing about, they must be off their nut or wrapped up in cotton wool all day long.
Ferruccio said:
But what I do see is the way some Mclaren owners react to other actual, real, McLaren owners sharing the issues that they have had. Somehow those views are seen as heretical, in what seems to have become religious for them. You are simply not allowed to not believe.
This.I have been very frank and honest about my previous experiences and have been shot down in flames many a time, when the "but your not an owner" brigade realise that I was indeed one, the attitude changes to "well we know there's issues and the company's working on it, but you really shouldn't degenerate the brand".
For the record this wasn't limited to one car but three.
Also if your mate has one that's had issues that's also a big no-no as you need to have had first hand experience with it to be able to comment without getting shot down in flames.
It's quite amusing to watch MAC720 and his sidekick 355 self moderating the forum and quoting the rule book however, all it has resulted in is 20 odd pages of utter tripe mostly taken up by MAC720's essays, as many have pointed out the forum worked perfectly well without intervention so I'm not sure where you guys think you are going to make a difference?
People will always discuss reliability and depreciation with McLaren's as they suffer more than most, so it will be discussed more than most.
Turbo cab said:
as many have pointed out the forum worked perfectly well without intervention.
Many have pointed out that it didn't. Personally, I really don't give a s
te about the personal trolling / baiting which goes on - I can hold my own on that front, but what I do care about is the misinformation and non-owners talking ste about stuff they have no idea about. MAC 720S said:
Turbo cab said:
as many have pointed out the forum worked perfectly well without intervention.
Many have pointed out that it didn't. Personally, I really don't give a ste about the personal trolling / baiting which goes on - I can hold my own on that front, but what I do care about is the misinformation and non-owners talking ste about stuff they have no idea about. Also what's non owners got to do with it? From what I can see they're singing from exactly the same hyme sheet as the owners that aren't actually in denial!
Honestly, you really need to pipe down with your superiority complex chap, you've been in your Mac for the best part of five minutes whereas some of us, like this forum have been in and out of them/it for years.
355spiderguy said:
To be fair, if anyone genuinely thought that the 'guess the name of the 765LT' was anything apart from a bit of playing about, they must be off their nut or wrapped up in cotton wool all day long.
andrew said:
355spiderguy said:
To be fair, if anyone genuinely thought that the 'guess the name of the 765LT' was anything apart from a bit of playing about, they must be off their nut or wrapped up in cotton wool all day long.
"this week's car"
andrew said:
355spiderguy said:
To be fair, if anyone genuinely thought that the 'guess the name of the 765LT' was anything apart from a bit of playing about, they must be off their nut or wrapped up in cotton wool all day long.
hadn't picked up on that 
BlueIn2Red said:
DT398 said:
The entire McLaren section of this forum has turned into a joke imho.
Possibly, but it's still interesting and entertaining as a result. I don't own a McLaren (and don't intend to), but I still enjoy reading the McLaren forum much more than the Ferrari and Lamborghini sections (which are very quiet in comparison) for example. I find the childish tantrums especially amusing - grown men who have presumably accomplished plenty in life, behaving like spoilt kids!Now that the full on clean up campaign is underway it’s reasonably amusing but also pretty tragic with a desperate and pointless attempt to control the agenda and the content of the forum.
Turbo cab said:
Honestly, you really need to pipe down with your superiority complex chap, you've been in your Mac for the best part of five minutes whereas some of us, like this forum have been in and out of them/it for years.
I heard that the Oxford Dictionary is going to use this as an example for the meaning of the wordIrony
There may even be a few bucks in it for you turbo for rights purposes.
355spiderguy said:
Turbo cab said:
Honestly, you really need to pipe down with your superiority complex chap, you've been in your Mac for the best part of five minutes whereas some of us, like this forum have been in and out of them/it for years.
I heard that the Oxford Dictionary is going to use this as an example for the meaning of the wordIrony
There may even be a few bucks in it for you turbo for rights purposes.
When you do manage to crawl out of MAC720's arse and fine one, I suggest you check the definition of irony as there was none in my post.
Turbo cab said:
I'm guessing side show Bob, based upon that last sentence you don't actually own a dictionary.
When you do manage to crawl out of MAC720's arse and fine one, I suggest you check the definition of irony as there was none in my post.
Now...see...that's just being nasty.When you do manage to crawl out of MAC720's arse and fine one, I suggest you check the definition of irony as there was none in my post.
Wee bit of name calling and a smidge of belittling thrown in also.
A bit disappointing to be fair.
2/10. must try harder.
Out of nowhere you drag me into your posts. If you cannot reply with anything witty i shall move on....
Afflicted with a low boredom and tolerance threshold you see.
MAC 720S said:
You seem a reasonable chap.
I would like to clarify two things:
1) The "perfectly good question", wasn't a question at all, it was a post of accusations intent on causing further argument.
BadBull wrote:
"Despite the name change, aren't you the one who wants to be king of the McLaren forum?
You want it improved so it benefits McLaren owners more?
Yet here you are deliberately witholding information from other McLaren owners?
Or have I missed something?"
2) The 7XXLT was a bit of banter / fun, and I think those involved took it that way. Only after BadBull raised his head, did it become sour. The internet is awash with rumour and counter-rumour over what the LT version of the 720S will be named.
I hope that with some of the detractors and trolls out of the way, this forum will become a place for productive and accurate discussion (good and bad).
Some may wish to mock the MOC (couldn’t resist), but the MOC was created as a solution to the misinformation and trolling on forums such as this, the outcome of which, is that a large percentage of the UK based real-world McLaren owning experience is now locked behind a closed FB Group. That’s a good thing for existing owners as they get to share knowledge without being bothered by the trolls, but not great for those potential owners and enthusiasts who are unable to freely benefit from the knowledge.
I know from my own experience of researching the 720S, this forum was dire reading and nearly put me off buying a McLaren. Luckily, it was only after I engaged with a 720S owner, LotusJas (also a MOC member), that I got some accurate and believable information - I then went on to purchase a 720S from McLaren Bristol, which was also advertised on PH.
Not only is it in the interests of existing owners and non-owning enthusiasts to help clean up this forum, it would also be a good thing for Cargurus. They make their money from the classifieds. Dealerships pay to have their adverts in the classifieds. If I were a McLaren Dealer, and my products and dealerships were being unfairly criticised and/or undermined, without moderator intervention, I wouldn’t be best pleased. The mods have a difficult job wading through the thousands of posts every day, so if we can help them to identify troublemakers and bad behaviour, and hopefully win back some of the MOC UK members to contribute, it’s a win-win for advertisers, Cargurus and genuine enthusiasts alike.
They look like 4 reasonable questions to me? The answers are Yes, Yes, Yes and No (imho)I would like to clarify two things:
1) The "perfectly good question", wasn't a question at all, it was a post of accusations intent on causing further argument.
BadBull wrote:
"Despite the name change, aren't you the one who wants to be king of the McLaren forum?
You want it improved so it benefits McLaren owners more?
Yet here you are deliberately witholding information from other McLaren owners?
Or have I missed something?"
2) The 7XXLT was a bit of banter / fun, and I think those involved took it that way. Only after BadBull raised his head, did it become sour. The internet is awash with rumour and counter-rumour over what the LT version of the 720S will be named.
I hope that with some of the detractors and trolls out of the way, this forum will become a place for productive and accurate discussion (good and bad).
Some may wish to mock the MOC (couldn’t resist), but the MOC was created as a solution to the misinformation and trolling on forums such as this, the outcome of which, is that a large percentage of the UK based real-world McLaren owning experience is now locked behind a closed FB Group. That’s a good thing for existing owners as they get to share knowledge without being bothered by the trolls, but not great for those potential owners and enthusiasts who are unable to freely benefit from the knowledge.
I know from my own experience of researching the 720S, this forum was dire reading and nearly put me off buying a McLaren. Luckily, it was only after I engaged with a 720S owner, LotusJas (also a MOC member), that I got some accurate and believable information - I then went on to purchase a 720S from McLaren Bristol, which was also advertised on PH.
Not only is it in the interests of existing owners and non-owning enthusiasts to help clean up this forum, it would also be a good thing for Cargurus. They make their money from the classifieds. Dealerships pay to have their adverts in the classifieds. If I were a McLaren Dealer, and my products and dealerships were being unfairly criticised and/or undermined, without moderator intervention, I wouldn’t be best pleased. The mods have a difficult job wading through the thousands of posts every day, so if we can help them to identify troublemakers and bad behaviour, and hopefully win back some of the MOC UK members to contribute, it’s a win-win for advertisers, Cargurus and genuine enthusiasts alike.
Why the need to “clean things up” and constantly differentiate between “owners” and “non-owners”? You have done it again in the post above. It’s a public forum, people are entitled to an opinion but you seem hell bent on bullying people with different views to your own off the forum with constant references to the mods and trying to ring fence negative content into specific topics.
As for the facts, these are well known and McLaren’s recent record on quality, reliability and customer service has been woeful compared with most other manufacturers and I’m sure they know this. I’ll never buy another one but the super car world is a better place with McLaren in it, so I hope they sort it.
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