Another Senna Fire
Discussion
I've had a break from this place for a week so I could gain the sort of perspective that comes from distancing oneself from something you've become too involved in. Unfortunately it was clearly a waste of time.
We now appear to have the worthies from the MOC in conjunction with some unnamed mods riding into town on white stallions to save dodge city from itself, frankly, who the hell do you think you are?
"Oh but this place is full of detractors".
Well SFW?
It used to be a free forum where grown ups came to express their opinions and have them firmly rebuffed if it was warranted. I'm now seeing snidey, little-man threats of bans for thought-crime "Well my friends the mods might have something to say about your attitude". f
ksake.
I am trying extremely hard not to rant here but fk me this is difficult.
The constant tirade about "non-owners" daring to have an opinion is contemptible, why the fk can't they have an opinion? What are you afraid of?
I've put my money where my mouth is and bought more McLarens than some of the sanctimonious Melvins we've suddenly acquired around here who wish to dictate what we're allowed to say. "Oh but it's much better now we have some new controllers". Jesus.
I'm sure the MOC is a decent organisation, I've seen some amazing pics from the stuff they organise and I know some very good people who are members (Hi Bosh!) but honestly the idiots they are sending over here to put us all in our place really don't reflect well. I would respectfully suggest that you're all too used to the mutual back-slapping and find the oft justified dissent of PH too much to take. Stick to your club guys and leave the real world alone.
Has anything like this ever happened on PH before? An outside group parachuting in to "straighten things out"? Where the fk is that leading?
I love this place and I love McLarens but this new direction is down. PH, please save us from this idiocy.
Oh and boys, better get over to the Mac Life forums and start rounding people up, might be someone saying something you don't like over there too.
We now appear to have the worthies from the MOC in conjunction with some unnamed mods riding into town on white stallions to save dodge city from itself, frankly, who the hell do you think you are?
"Oh but this place is full of detractors".
Well SFW?
It used to be a free forum where grown ups came to express their opinions and have them firmly rebuffed if it was warranted. I'm now seeing snidey, little-man threats of bans for thought-crime "Well my friends the mods might have something to say about your attitude". f
ksake.I am trying extremely hard not to rant here but f
k me this is difficult.The constant tirade about "non-owners" daring to have an opinion is contemptible, why the f
k can't they have an opinion? What are you afraid of?I've put my money where my mouth is and bought more McLarens than some of the sanctimonious Melvins we've suddenly acquired around here who wish to dictate what we're allowed to say. "Oh but it's much better now we have some new controllers". Jesus.
I'm sure the MOC is a decent organisation, I've seen some amazing pics from the stuff they organise and I know some very good people who are members (Hi Bosh!) but honestly the idiots they are sending over here to put us all in our place really don't reflect well. I would respectfully suggest that you're all too used to the mutual back-slapping and find the oft justified dissent of PH too much to take. Stick to your club guys and leave the real world alone.
Has anything like this ever happened on PH before? An outside group parachuting in to "straighten things out"? Where the f
k is that leading?I love this place and I love McLarens but this new direction is down. PH, please save us from this idiocy.
Oh and boys, better get over to the Mac Life forums and start rounding people up, might be someone saying something you don't like over there too.
Turbo cab said:
flemke said:
Turbo cab said:
355spiderguy said:
I remember seeing a youtube video a few years back of some bosker in an Avantador gunning his engine while sitting in standing traffic looking really cool...until a flame from the overun then set fire to the rear plastic mesh of the bumper...as that went viral i wonder how the insurance company would of looked at that claim... it looked like a total loss.
Thinking about it now i think there were a few similar cases involving Aventadors...
The reason they do this is the fuel vapour release valve is located behind this plastic mesh, when the exhaust gets really hot with no flowing air to disperse the vapour they set fire.Thinking about it now i think there were a few similar cases involving Aventadors...
It's a design fault which imo should be picked up by warranty unless it states in the warranty t&c's that you should not rev the nutts off of it in standing traffic.
Don't you think it should be obvious to anyone who has been entrusted with a licence to drive a 700 bhp vehicle on public roads that certain actions are inappropriate and at risk of being outside the design parameters and intended uses of the car?
Just because you can do something with a consumer product doesn't mean that you should do it.
No - It shouldn't be obvious and if we're talking about design parameters and intended uses as the reasons as to why it should, why would anyone in their right mind think that a car that has been advertised hurtling round a track at triple digit speeds risks setting fire if revved erratically when stationary?
That makes no sense.
I am afraid that we are diametrically opposed on this point. If you (an owner, that is) go out and spend 3/4 of a million pounds on a car that is very specifically designed for high-speed track use, you sure as hell should have some tiny comprehension of how it is meant to be treated - like, maybe, by reading the Owner's Manual, or asking someone who actually knows a bit about cars and driving.
From where did this idea arise that the manufacturer is responsible for the owner's actions, no matter how daft they might be?
If you order a Senna (or GT3, Pista, or anything of that sort) with Cup or Trofeo tyres, then go ripping along the motorway at 80 mph during a heavy rainstorm and end up in the barrier, is that the manufacturer's fault because you have seen videos of the car driven fast on a wet track?
What you appear to be advocating is of a similar mentality to what in recent years we have seen infiltrate nearly every aspect of our lives: if something goes wrong, it must be somebody else's fault.
There comes a time when one has to take responsibility, rather than shirking it, for one's own behaviour. If somebody were so crass that they think it is perfectly acceptable (within social boundaries as well as engineering ones) to "rev the nutts off of it (a 700 bhp car) in standing traffic", I would have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If such a person were to make a warranty claim, I would hope the car manufacturer would respond with a concise "Foxtrot Oscar" and let the fool live with the mess that he created for himself.
I am with Flemke on this one - regardless of the fact that revving the nuts of a car stationary should never be acceptable - if it blows up that way, you are just stupid (and a chav). It is like saying I took my supercar off-roading and am surprised the suspension broke
Edit: I generally don’t understand why manufacturers are liable for people mid-treating their products
Edit: I generally don’t understand why manufacturers are liable for people mid-treating their products
flemke said:
I have only now noticed your reply; sorry for my delay.
No problem although I do fear that we should agree to disagree on this but i'll give it a stab.flemke said:
I am afraid that we are diametrically opposed on this point. If you (an owner, that is) go out and spend 3/4 of a million pounds on a car that is very specifically designed for high-speed track use, you sure as hell should have some tiny comprehension of how it is meant to be treated - like, maybe, by reading the Owner's Manual, or asking someone who actually knows a bit about cars and driving.
Please point me to any owners manual of any car costing six figures + where it states " Do not rev the engine whilst stationary" - I would love to be corrected on this but cant recall ever reading it on any owners manual i've glanced over.flemke said:
From where did this idea arise that the manufacturer is responsible for the owner's actions, no matter how daft they might be?
It didn't, We're talking specifically about manufacturer defects causing a car to catch fire - You jumped on it as people revving them being the route cause and as a result they shouldn't be covered under warranty due to them exceeding the limitations of the car. Lets roll back to when F355's used to catch fire due to a hose clip rubbing into the fuel line, If the owner was revving it at the time ready to launch it like you would with a manual car would the owner be responsible then?flemke said:
If you order a Senna (or GT3, Pista, or anything of that sort) with Cup or Trofeo tyres, then go ripping along the motorway at 80 mph during a heavy rainstorm and end up in the barrier, is that the manufacturer's fault because you have seen videos of the car driven fast on a wet track?
Its a great argument tailored to fit your agenda but not really relevant here for two reasons, Firstly on collecting cars that wear such tyres I have always been informed to go easy in wet conditions or I will end up in trouble, On the other hand I have never been told upon collection not to rev a car as it may set fire if I do. To allude to your earlier point Cup tyres and their pitfalls are referred to in the owners manuals unlike what we are currently debating. Secondly my earlier reference was car manufacturers advertising their cars and its potential capability - Please point me to the ones of them hurtling around a track on cup tyres, In the wet and actually in control. Also driving along at 80mph in a heavy rainstorm in any car with any tyre is precarious due to the likes of standing water - Again ive never seen anything like that advertised?flemke said:
What you appear to be advocating is of a similar mentality to what in recent years we have seen infiltrate nearly every aspect of our lives: if something goes wrong, it must be somebody else's fault.
Im not advocating anything, This is simply in consumer law referred to as "Not fit for purpose". Its not like some one has taken a Kia round a track, missed a gear, blown the engine sky high and is asking for it to be repaired under warranty as that IS making iyour problem somebody else's fault, Were talking about a supercar setting fire that has been revved erratically.flemke said:
There comes a time when one has to take responsibility, rather than shirking it, for one's own behaviour. If somebody were so crass that they think it is perfectly acceptable (within social boundaries as well as engineering ones) to "rev the nutts off of it (a 700 bhp car) in standing traffic", I would have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If such a person were to make a warranty claim, I would hope the car manufacturer would respond with a concise "Foxtrot Oscar" and let the fool live with the mess that he created for himself.
For the record i'm not condoning or defending anyones actions here, The original point I refer to again was " Manufacturer defect that should imo be picked up by warranty" But regardless of the fact, they cant be so crass to afford said car in the first place can they?. Social boundaries - I have personally witnessed Lamborghini employees revving Aventadors at charity events for sick children to produce a flame and a smile - Would you regard that as crass too? And further more they must have read the manual! Stick Valentino Balboni in it and he'd probably do exactly the same! I also don't think anyones asking for your sympathy on this but were this to be played out in the courts, I would love to see the claim not paid out as the £300k race car for the road, designed with cutting edge technology and built with aerospace materials was revved erratically proceeded to set fire.
MDL111 said:
I am with Flemke on this one - regardless of the fact that revving the nuts of a car stationary should never be acceptable - if it blows up that way, you are just stupid (and a chav). It is like saying I took my supercar off-roading and am surprised the suspension broke
Edit: I generally don’t understand why manufacturers are liable for people mid-treating their products
Ok for the record this is not me, my actions or anything I condone.Edit: I generally don’t understand why manufacturers are liable for people mid-treating their products
Firstly were not talking about blowing up - were talking about catching fire due to a fuel vapour release valve being close to the exhaust, I believe there were also some faulty ones that caused this, This also happened to a couple after trck time so is not limited to revving whilst stationary = Manufacture defect.
Could you also direct me to where it makes you "council house and violent" in a £300k supercar?
Secondly your off-roading comment is just plain stupid. What it's actually like saying is "I took my range rover off road and it broke" or in homage to the thread "I took my senna round a track and it caught fire"
If your going to take your Supercar off road its going to break isn't it as thats outside its intended use.
Edited by Turbo cab on Saturday 3rd August 22:43
flemke said:
I have only now noticed your reply; sorry for my delay.
I am afraid that we are diametrically opposed on this point. If you (an owner, that is) go out and spend 3/4 of a million pounds on a car that is very specifically designed for high-speed track use, you sure as hell should have some tiny comprehension of how it is meant to be treated - like, maybe, by reading the Owner's Manual, or asking someone who actually knows a bit about cars and driving.
From where did this idea arise that the manufacturer is responsible for the owner's actions, no matter how daft they might be?
If you order a Senna (or GT3, Pista, or anything of that sort) with Cup or Trofeo tyres, then go ripping along the motorway at 80 mph during a heavy rainstorm and end up in the barrier, is that the manufacturer's fault because you have seen videos of the car driven fast on a wet track?
What you appear to be advocating is of a similar mentality to what in recent years we have seen infiltrate nearly every aspect of our lives: if something goes wrong, it must be somebody else's fault.
There comes a time when one has to take responsibility, rather than shirking it, for one's own behaviour. If somebody were so crass that they think it is perfectly acceptable (within social boundaries as well as engineering ones) to "rev the nutts off of it (a 700 bhp car) in standing traffic", I would have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If such a person were to make a warranty claim, I would hope the car manufacturer would respond with a concise "Foxtrot Oscar" and let the fool live with the mess that he created for himself.
Well put.I am afraid that we are diametrically opposed on this point. If you (an owner, that is) go out and spend 3/4 of a million pounds on a car that is very specifically designed for high-speed track use, you sure as hell should have some tiny comprehension of how it is meant to be treated - like, maybe, by reading the Owner's Manual, or asking someone who actually knows a bit about cars and driving.
From where did this idea arise that the manufacturer is responsible for the owner's actions, no matter how daft they might be?
If you order a Senna (or GT3, Pista, or anything of that sort) with Cup or Trofeo tyres, then go ripping along the motorway at 80 mph during a heavy rainstorm and end up in the barrier, is that the manufacturer's fault because you have seen videos of the car driven fast on a wet track?
What you appear to be advocating is of a similar mentality to what in recent years we have seen infiltrate nearly every aspect of our lives: if something goes wrong, it must be somebody else's fault.
There comes a time when one has to take responsibility, rather than shirking it, for one's own behaviour. If somebody were so crass that they think it is perfectly acceptable (within social boundaries as well as engineering ones) to "rev the nutts off of it (a 700 bhp car) in standing traffic", I would have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If such a person were to make a warranty claim, I would hope the car manufacturer would respond with a concise "Foxtrot Oscar" and let the fool live with the mess that he created for himself.
flemke said:
What you appear to be advocating is of a similar mentality to what in recent years we have seen infiltrate nearly every aspect of our lives: if something goes wrong, it must be somebody else's fault.
There comes a time when one has to take responsibility, rather than shirking it, for one's own behaviour. If somebody were so crass that they think it is perfectly acceptable (within social boundaries as well as engineering ones) to "rev the nutts off of it (a 700 bhp car) in standing traffic", I would have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If such a person were to make a warranty claim, I would hope the car manufacturer would respond with a concise "Foxtrot Oscar" and let the fool live with the mess that he created for himself.
Agreed. There comes a time when one has to take responsibility, rather than shirking it, for one's own behaviour. If somebody were so crass that they think it is perfectly acceptable (within social boundaries as well as engineering ones) to "rev the nutts off of it (a 700 bhp car) in standing traffic", I would have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If such a person were to make a warranty claim, I would hope the car manufacturer would respond with a concise "Foxtrot Oscar" and let the fool live with the mess that he created for himself.
Things maybe set off in the right direction with Unsafe at Any Speed but had taken an unhelpful turn by the time we arrived at Liebeck v. McDonalds Restaurants. The concepts of personal responsibility and common sense seem to have been abandoned in favour of litigation.
br d said:
I've had a break from this place for a week so I could gain the sort of perspective that comes from distancing oneself from something you've become too involved in. Unfortunately it was clearly a waste of time.
We now appear to have the worthies from the MOC in conjunction with some unnamed mods riding into town on white stallions to save dodge city from itself, frankly, who the hell do you think you are?
"Oh but this place is full of detractors".
Well SFW?
It used to be a free forum where grown ups came to express their opinions and have them firmly rebuffed if it was warranted. I'm now seeing snidey, little-man threats of bans for thought-crime "Well my friends the mods might have something to say about your attitude". fksake.
I am trying extremely hard not to rant here but fk me this is difficult.
The constant tirade about "non-owners" daring to have an opinion is contemptible, why the fk can't they have an opinion? What are you afraid of?
I've put my money where my mouth is and bought more McLarens than some of the sanctimonious Melvins we've suddenly acquired around here who wish to dictate what we're allowed to say. "Oh but it's much better now we have some new controllers". Jesus.
I'm sure the MOC is a decent organisation, I've seen some amazing pics from the stuff they organise and I know some very good people who are members (Hi Bosh!) but honestly the idiots they are sending over here to put us all in our place really don't reflect well. I would respectfully suggest that you're all too used to the mutual back-slapping and find the oft justified dissent of PH too much to take. Stick to your club guys and leave the real world alone.
Has anything like this ever happened on PH before? An outside group parachuting in to "straighten things out"? Where the fk is that leading?
I love this place and I love McLarens but this new direction is down. PH, please save us from this idiocy.
Oh and boys, better get over to the Mac Life forums and start rounding people up, might be someone saying something you don't like over there too.
Good post.We now appear to have the worthies from the MOC in conjunction with some unnamed mods riding into town on white stallions to save dodge city from itself, frankly, who the hell do you think you are?
"Oh but this place is full of detractors".
Well SFW?
It used to be a free forum where grown ups came to express their opinions and have them firmly rebuffed if it was warranted. I'm now seeing snidey, little-man threats of bans for thought-crime "Well my friends the mods might have something to say about your attitude". f
ksake.I am trying extremely hard not to rant here but f
k me this is difficult.The constant tirade about "non-owners" daring to have an opinion is contemptible, why the f
k can't they have an opinion? What are you afraid of?I've put my money where my mouth is and bought more McLarens than some of the sanctimonious Melvins we've suddenly acquired around here who wish to dictate what we're allowed to say. "Oh but it's much better now we have some new controllers". Jesus.
I'm sure the MOC is a decent organisation, I've seen some amazing pics from the stuff they organise and I know some very good people who are members (Hi Bosh!) but honestly the idiots they are sending over here to put us all in our place really don't reflect well. I would respectfully suggest that you're all too used to the mutual back-slapping and find the oft justified dissent of PH too much to take. Stick to your club guys and leave the real world alone.
Has anything like this ever happened on PH before? An outside group parachuting in to "straighten things out"? Where the f
k is that leading?I love this place and I love McLarens but this new direction is down. PH, please save us from this idiocy.
Oh and boys, better get over to the Mac Life forums and start rounding people up, might be someone saying something you don't like over there too.
I'm amazed the moderators are tolerating it. I thought they took people trying to drive away site traffic and unauthorized advertising seriously.
Two posters in particular post in unison on nearly every McLaren topic. Their little tag team wants to rule the roost.
Woe betide anyone who can think for themselves and offers up a different opinion, even if you own the same car as them!
The lunatics have truly taken over the asylum.
I fully expect to be reported for this post.
Turbo cab said:
flemke said:
I have only now noticed your reply; sorry for my delay.
No problem although I do fear that we should agree to disagree on this but i'll give it a stab.flemke said:
I am afraid that we are diametrically opposed on this point. If you (an owner, that is) go out and spend 3/4 of a million pounds on a car that is very specifically designed for high-speed track use, you sure as hell should have some tiny comprehension of how it is meant to be treated - like, maybe, by reading the Owner's Manual, or asking someone who actually knows a bit about cars and driving.
Please point me to any owners manual of any car costing six figures + where it states " Do not rev the engine whilst stationary" - I would love to be corrected on this but cant recall ever reading it on any owners manual i've glanced over.flemke said:
From where did this idea arise that the manufacturer is responsible for the owner's actions, no matter how daft they might be?
It didn't, We're talking specifically about manufacturer defects causing a car to catch fire - You jumped on it as people revving them being the route cause and as a result they shouldn't be covered under warranty due to them exceeding the limitations of the car. Lets roll back to when F355's used to catch fire due to a hose clip rubbing into the fuel line, If the owner was revving it at the time ready to launch it like you would with a manual car would the owner be responsible then?flemke said:
If you order a Senna (or GT3, Pista, or anything of that sort) with Cup or Trofeo tyres, then go ripping along the motorway at 80 mph during a heavy rainstorm and end up in the barrier, is that the manufacturer's fault because you have seen videos of the car driven fast on a wet track?
Its a great argument tailored to fit your agenda but not really relevant here for two reasons, Firstly on collecting cars that wear such tyres I have always been informed to go easy in wet conditions or I will end up in trouble, On the other hand I have never been told upon collection not to rev a car as it may set fire if I do. To allude to your earlier point Cup tyres and their pitfalls are referred to in the owners manuals unlike what we are currently debating. Secondly my earlier reference was car manufacturers advertising their cars and its potential capability - Please point me to the ones of them hurtling around a track on cup tyres, In the wet and actually in control. Also driving along at 80mph in a heavy rainstorm in any car with any tyre is precarious due to the likes of standing water - Again ive never seen anything like that advertised?flemke said:
What you appear to be advocating is of a similar mentality to what in recent years we have seen infiltrate nearly every aspect of our lives: if something goes wrong, it must be somebody else's fault.
Im not advocating anything, This is simply in consumer law referred to as "Not fit for purpose". Its not like some one has taken a Kia round a track, missed a gear, blown the engine sky high and is asking for it to be repaired under warranty as that IS making iyour problem somebody else's fault, Were talking about a supercar setting fire that has been revved erratically.flemke said:
There comes a time when one has to take responsibility, rather than shirking it, for one's own behaviour. If somebody were so crass that they think it is perfectly acceptable (within social boundaries as well as engineering ones) to "rev the nutts off of it (a 700 bhp car) in standing traffic", I would have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If such a person were to make a warranty claim, I would hope the car manufacturer would respond with a concise "Foxtrot Oscar" and let the fool live with the mess that he created for himself.
For the record i'm not condoning or defending anyones actions here, The original point I refer to again was " Manufacturer defect that should imo be picked up by warranty" But regardless of the fact, they cant be so crass to afford said car in the first place can they?. Social boundaries - I have personally witnessed Lamborghini employees revving Aventadors at charity events for sick children to produce a flame and a smile - Would you regard that as crass too? And further more they must have read the manual! Stick Valentino Balboni in it and he'd probably do exactly the same! I also don't think anyones asking for your sympathy on this but were this to be played out in the courts, I would love to see the claim not paid out as the £300k race car for the road, designed with cutting edge technology and built with aerospace materials was revved erratically proceeded to set fire.Turbo cab said:
It's a design fault which imo should be picked up by warranty unless it states in the warranty t&c's that you should not rev the nutts off of it in standing traffic.
Some people may think it a clever thing to do, but to me the prospect of "revving the nutts off" a massively powerful (and undoubtedly very noisy) car "in standing traffic" is puerile, offensive, exceptionally crass and downright moronic. There is no reason why a production car should be designed to endure abuse by a cretin who wants to mindlessly rev a powerful engine (which relies on the flow of air for cooling) for the dual purpose of annoying innocent bystanders and pretending that his dick is bigger than a peanut.
This whole thread has become invaluable.
Its like going out on a fishing trip, pulling in the catch and seeing what part of the catch is useful and what to dismiss and throw back in.
Reading through this its very easy to see the posters whom you now know to avoid reading any of their posts in future as they contribute absolute nothing towards any McLaren topic at all...zero...zip...nada.
If they at least made humerous posts you could chuckle and reply, but unfortunately they don't as maybe they are not capable; it appears as they are genuinely as dull as their posts suggests.
There is maybe 4 or 5 of them, although as this particular thread becomes a cringeworthy, painful show, more posters are starting to creep in and comment; to be fair why wouldn't you?!
Lately, there have been posters that i genuinely thought had credibility and would be interested in what they could contribute due to multiple McLarens and being here for a while, however it appears as though rather than contribute helpful posts and offer insights and past issues, experiences and any resolution of problems they experienced with their McLarens, currently they prefer to come on here and shout like the wise old men about how 'this isn't how this place should be run...THIS is how this place should be run' based on ownership and time served on pistonheads, and in some posts belittle and name call...really?!
I'm pretty sure they have made great McLaren posts when McLarens were new to them like they are to me now, and maybe feel as though they don't want to repeat what they posted ages ago...if so that's a real pity.
The last response to Flemkes post there was a real 'shaking of the head' moment that just reaffirmed my thoughts.
I'm here as an interested new owner to gain information, hear other peoples experiences, see what other people have bought, hear about the good, hear about the bad etc...quite simple really.
It's comical, because in between the bickering, genuine Mac posters are still sneaking in good posts on this thread but realise they are farting against thunder.
This thread has served it's purpose as i and others know now whose posts to read and whose opinions to value, and who talks pish and contributes nothing.
Snipers fill your boots.
Its like going out on a fishing trip, pulling in the catch and seeing what part of the catch is useful and what to dismiss and throw back in.
Reading through this its very easy to see the posters whom you now know to avoid reading any of their posts in future as they contribute absolute nothing towards any McLaren topic at all...zero...zip...nada.
If they at least made humerous posts you could chuckle and reply, but unfortunately they don't as maybe they are not capable; it appears as they are genuinely as dull as their posts suggests.
There is maybe 4 or 5 of them, although as this particular thread becomes a cringeworthy, painful show, more posters are starting to creep in and comment; to be fair why wouldn't you?!
Lately, there have been posters that i genuinely thought had credibility and would be interested in what they could contribute due to multiple McLarens and being here for a while, however it appears as though rather than contribute helpful posts and offer insights and past issues, experiences and any resolution of problems they experienced with their McLarens, currently they prefer to come on here and shout like the wise old men about how 'this isn't how this place should be run...THIS is how this place should be run' based on ownership and time served on pistonheads, and in some posts belittle and name call...really?!
I'm pretty sure they have made great McLaren posts when McLarens were new to them like they are to me now, and maybe feel as though they don't want to repeat what they posted ages ago...if so that's a real pity.
The last response to Flemkes post there was a real 'shaking of the head' moment that just reaffirmed my thoughts.
I'm here as an interested new owner to gain information, hear other peoples experiences, see what other people have bought, hear about the good, hear about the bad etc...quite simple really.
It's comical, because in between the bickering, genuine Mac posters are still sneaking in good posts on this thread but realise they are farting against thunder.
This thread has served it's purpose as i and others know now whose posts to read and whose opinions to value, and who talks pish and contributes nothing.
Snipers fill your boots.
Turbo cab said:
MDL111 said:
I am with Flemke on this one - regardless of the fact that revving the nuts of a car stationary should never be acceptable - if it blows up that way, you are just stupid (and a chav). It is like saying I took my supercar off-roading and am surprised the suspension broke
Edit: I generally don’t understand why manufacturers are liable for people mid-treating their products
Ok for the record this is not me, my actions or anything I condone.Edit: I generally don’t understand why manufacturers are liable for people mid-treating their products
Firstly were not talking about blowing up - were talking about catching fire due to a fuel vapour release valve being close to the exhaust, I believe there were also some faulty ones that caused this, This also happened to a couple after trck time so is not limited to revving whilst stationary = Manufacture defect.
Could you also direct me to where it makes you "council house and violent" in a £300k supercar?
Secondly your off-roading comment is just plain stupid. What it's actually like saying is "I took my range rover off road and it broke" or in homage to the thread "I took my senna round a track and it caught fire"
If your going to take your Supercar off road its going to break isn't it as thats outside its intended use.
Edited by Turbo cab on Saturday 3rd August 22:43
How expensive your car is does have no discernible effect on if you are behaving like a chav or not imo (neither does living in council housing make you one, it just makes you less lucky financially than other people) - revving a car stationary be it a 1k Fiesta or a 1m Bugatti is not classy behavior in any case and can arguably be classified as chav imo. And with regards to a charity event for sick children, i’d say you can call that the exception that does not invalidate the rule
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