Another Senna Fire

[Turbo cab]

MDL111 said:

I don’t know what the issue is - if it is as you say a manufacturing/design defect, then fair enough.

To be fair I did state that in my original post and also that it was "IMO" it should be picked up by warranty. Flemke then jumped on it as rightly so he's entitled to his opinion as well and we both debated it like adults, I thought that was part of how a forum operated?

Seeing as the thread was originally about sennas catching fire this was largely relevant to the thread but as usual (not you) other posters want to jump on this and use it as fuel to feed there own agenda and drive the thread off topic again - quoting a load of largely irrelevant crap in true essay form and ironically being rather hipocritical in the process.

Anyway keep smiling

Edited by Turbo cab on Sunday 4th August 12:45

[355spiderguy]

Keep up at the back.

Flemke was actually replying to my post bringing up the related topic of Aventadors catching fire.

As Flemke pointed out, there are some things that really shouldn't need to be spelled out on handover or in the manual, like, don't drive too fast in the snow and don't sit and rev the tits out of the car when stationary etc, etc, etc.

If that seems beyond an individuals comprehension, i guess it makes perfect sense to the same individual to think its the manufacturers fault when it all goes wrong.

With the F355, it was a worldwide recall to have a 'fuel block' fitted to prevent the rubbing of the fuel lines; nothing whatsoever that an owner could do to contribute to it it igniting.

I know this as i got the letter at the time.

Everyone has opinions and views, but on what this thread is actually about, it just might be that Flemke may just have a bit more information which is probably a bit more accurate than anyone else here is posting.

[Turbo cab]

355spiderguy said:

Keep up at the back.

If you're going to sit at the front you need to pay more attention, And less of the belittling you were moaning about a few posts back.

355spiderguy said:

Flemke was actually replying to my post bringing up the related topic of Aventadors catching fire.

I suggest you go back and have a re-read about who he was replying to because I don't think you actually mentioned Warranty in your post.

355spiderguy said:

As Flemke pointed out, there are some things that really shouldn't need to be spelled out on handover or in the manual, like, don't drive too fast in the snow and don't sit and rev the tits out of the car when stationary etc, etc, etc.

One is completely different from the other, I suggest you go and reread the arguments I have put as to why.

355spiderguy said:

If that seems beyond an individuals comprehension, i guess it makes perfect sense to the same individual to think its the manufacturers fault when it all goes wrong.

what was it again, Ohhh thats it " 2/10 need to try harder"

355spiderguy said:

With the F355, it was a worldwide recall to have a 'fuel block' fitted to prevent the rubbing of the fuel lines; nothing whatsoever that an owner could do to contribute to it it igniting.

The example I used was if it caught fire at the same time you was revving it to launch would you expect it to be covered under warranty?

355spiderguy said:

Everyone has opinions and views, but on what this thread is actually about, it just might be that Flemke may just have a bit more information which is probably a bit more accurate than anyone else here is posting.

Indeed he does have more of a handle where Mclaren is concerned due to past and present ownerships however, having owned an Aventador SV that suffered with a faulty fuel vapour valve, that for the record did not catch fire as i'm not the type to rev in traffic I know a little bit about this as well

[355spiderguy]

Turbo cab said:

355spiderguy said:

Keep up at the back.

Still stand by that because...

''If you're going to sit at the front you need to pay more attention, And less of the belittling you were moaning about a few posts back.''

355spiderguy said:

Flemke was actually replying to my post bringing up the related topic of Aventadors catching fire.

''I suggest you go back and have a re-read about who he was replying to because I don't think you actually mentioned Warranty in your post.''

He was actually responding to my original post that i made about Aventadors igniting due to owners revving the nuts of them that somewhere in the middle you suggested it as a warranty issue. I'm not interested in Lambos so unsure if they issued a worldwide recall as they agreed it was a warranty issue or abuse from end owner...maybe you can clear that up.

355spiderguy said:

As Flemke pointed out, there are some things that really shouldn't need to be spelled out on handover or in the manual, like, don't drive too fast in the snow and don't sit and rev the tits out of the car when stationary etc, etc, etc.

''One is completely different from the other, I suggest you go and reread the arguments I have put as to why.''

Your responses were of equal but the total opposite to what Flemke and myself have put forward. If you use / abuse any product outwith its design parameters and it fails no manufacturer will accept the thoughts of ' you never told me not to do that' i know someone whom over revved a 6mth old Aston and after a quick download Aston presented the owner with a £30k estimate as they don't cover lack of ability or stupidity in the warranty.

355spiderguy said:

If that seems beyond an individuals comprehension, i guess it makes perfect sense to the same individual to think its the manufacturers fault when it all goes wrong.

''what was it again, Ohhh thats it " 2/10 need to try harder"

I stand by that statement also; not abusive, name calling or belittling as that's not my thing, just a simple straight forward reasonable observation.

355spiderguy said:

With the F355, it was a worldwide recall to have a 'fuel block' fitted to prevent the rubbing of the fuel lines; nothing whatsoever that an owner could do to contribute to it it igniting.

''The example I used was if it caught fire at the same time you was revving it to launch would you expect it to be covered under warranty?''

Yes it would be. Ferrari recognised it as design flaw and issued an urgent worldwide recall posted to every registered F355 owner regardless of its service history.

355spiderguy said:

Everyone has opinions and views, but on what this thread is actually about, it just might be that Flemke may just have a bit more information which is probably a bit more accurate than anyone else here is posting.

''Indeed he does have more of a handle where Mclaren is concerned due to past and present ownerships however, having owned an Aventador SV that suffered with a faulty fuel vapour valve, that for the record did not catch fire as i'm not the type to rev in traffic I know a little bit about this as well ''

Finally we agree.

I am delighted to have differing views and debate....as i posted before i may not agree with some of your views, but i appreciate them regardless and if i can try and offer a reasonable alternative view i shall post it up.

Apologies for posting within posts...not pretty but i did want to respond to each of your posts

All friends again?

[Turbo cab]

As is the same with Flemke, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

And in reply to your closing line, we were never enemies to begin with

[355spiderguy]

Turbo cab said:

As is the same with Flemke, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

And in reply to your closing line, we were never enemies to begin with

[bunyarra]

355spiderguy said:

I'm here as an interested new owner to gain information, hear other peoples experiences, see what other people have bought, hear about the good, hear about the bad etc...quite simple really.

It's comical, because in between the bickering, genuine Mac posters are still sneaking in good posts on this thread but realise they are farting against thunder.

<chuckle> Sadly, yes.

As a new owner also, this forum proved to be a wilderness, devoid of useful, helpful discussion with absurdly high noise to signal ratio. Weird, even the Jag section was more useful.

Not quite sure how it has deteriorated so far as every Mac owner I've met in the flesh has been absurdly nice and honest about their car's faults when they occur. Reflecting back over many threads, there really seems to be a much higher "hate" here than experienced elsewhere, and I am surprised there is surprise when this inevitably provokes an equal and opposite reaction from owners for whom the car is more than just A-B transport. I suspect this would be no different in Lambo/Porsche/Ferrari sections yet it seems to pool here. Strange place .... and, as always, if the respective keyboard warriors met in RL, they'd probably just share a pint and have a good crak.

Ho hum ... love the car, wish it was worth more in a year, will still buy another and I've not said that about a car since my old Fiat Coupe

[Matty3]

Sigh - how true.

I come on this forum to gain useful information and to offer my actual McL experiences/views for other owners/prospective owners/enthusiasts but have decided it is not worthwhile as visiting here sullies the ownership experience generally from the usual suspects.

I don't do FB (+ I don't like 'closed shops') so will continue to plough my own McL ownership/enjoyment path.

[355spiderguy]

Matty3 said:

Sigh - how true.

I come on this forum to gain useful information and to offer my actual McL experiences/views for other owners/prospective owners/enthusiasts but have decided it is not worthwhile as visiting here sullies the ownership experience generally from the usual suspects.

I don't do FB (+ I don't like 'closed shops') so will continue to plough my own McL ownership/enjoyment path.

Hey Matty

Don't be daft; persist.

Your FB comment i could of wrote myself!

All good posts end up with enthusiastic replies...it's very simple to skip over and not reply to the worthless posts...its easy to gauge as soon as you see the username.

I defo think more good threads and interesting posts are prevailing.

[TomL121]

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/mclaren-is-recall...

[anonymous-user]

TomL121 said:

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/mclaren-is-recall...

As it is a pre-emptive safety recall, it is probably more appropriate under its own dedicated thread, rather than this "Another Senna Fire" thread. It affects more than just the Senna and isn't related to an actual fire.

It looks as though it will eventually become world-wide.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 29th April 13:00

[SSO]

MAC 720S said:

As it is a pre-emptive safety recall, it is probably more appropriate under its own dedicated thread, rather than this "Another Senna Fire" thread. It affects more than just the Senna and isn't related to an actual fire.

It looks as though it will eventually become world-wide.

Edited by MAC 720S on Wednesday 29th April 13:00

Its already been taken care of on my Senna. Was not a big deal.

[anonymous-user]

SSO said:

Its already been taken care of on my Senna. Was not a big deal.

Hasn't been notified in the UK yet.

Have they replaced the item or just removed it and has it made any noticeable difference to NVH?

Cheers.

[SSO]

MAC 720S said:

Hasn't been notified in the UK yet.

Have they replaced the item or just removed it and has it made any noticeable difference to NVH?

Cheers.

They just removed it. No noticeable difference.

[flyer911]

I haven't seen the 600LT mentioned yet with this potential fault. Perhaps the 600LT is track focused so they didn't think this foam under the fuel tank was necessary?

PS I am an 600LT owner.

Edited by flyer911 on Saturday 2nd May 19:28

[SSO]

flyer911 said:

I haven't seen the 600LT mentioned yet with this potential fault. Perhaps the 600LT is track focused so they didn't think this foam under the fuel tank was necessary?

PS I am an 600LT owner.

Edited by flyer911 on Saturday 2nd May 19:28

We also have a 720S Spider and that was not included in the recall.

[PSB1]

Just to show you’re not alone in MCL-land, I received a letter from Porsche Reading last week indicating a recall on the 991.1.

There’s a risk of fire due to foreign objects getting into the engine; this will necessitate a heat shield.

[andrew]

PSB1 said:

Just to show you’re not alone in MCL-land, I received a letter from Porsche Reading last week indicating a recall on the 991.1.

There’s a risk of fire due to foreign objects getting into the engine; this will necessitate a heat shield.

how does a heat shield stop foreign bodies from entering the engine ?!