McLaren 765LT

[GT3ZZZ]

650spider said:

Fantastic!

Are they running them out together rather than coupes first like 675 and 600?

No, coupes then spiders. Spider is. considered a a separate model and will have VINs starting from 001.

[430SD_LP640]

r o n n i e said:

Some interesting options:

Carbon Pack 2 = £19,945
Carbon Pack 3 = £4,010
Track Brake Upgrade = £14,900
Clubsport Pack = £22,140
Roof Scoop = £30k
Engine Window = £7k

Not bothered with Push to Drink at £6,500.

I think the carbon options are really expensive. I struggle to bring the cost of options below £100K even i drop all the nice-to-have. I am not sure i would spend nearly £450K on it if I really want it to be well specced.... also I still do not know if the car will have xxx/765 or just 1 of 765. I am surprised that carbon pack 2 and 3 do not inclue upper door panel and diffuser. carbon packs (1+2+3) for 600LT include every non-MSO options.

Carbon pack 2+3 = £24K
Roof Scoop + Engine Window (must be selected to add roof scoop) = £37K
Clubsport Pro = £29K
Carbon Hood £5.7k, Carbon Aero Bridge £10K, Carbon Rear Wing (TBC, estimated to be about £8K), Carbon body panels £30K (!! you cannot actually see them!!) , Carbon secondary interior components £2.3K, carbon Sill trim £2.8K, carbon door mirror arm £2.2K, carbon upper door £3.4, carbon diffuser £8K.

other interiors related + camera = about £6K
Elite paint: £4.5K

[Ferruccio]

430SD_LP640 said:

r o n n i e said:

Some interesting options:

Carbon Pack 2 = £19,945
Carbon Pack 3 = £4,010
Track Brake Upgrade = £14,900
Clubsport Pack = £22,140
Roof Scoop = £30k
Engine Window = £7k

Not bothered with Push to Drink at £6,500.

I think the carbon options are really expensive. I struggle to bring the cost of options below £100K even i drop all the nice-to-have. I am not sure i would spend nearly £450K on it if I really want it to be well specced.... also I still do not know if the car will have xxx/765 or just 1 of 765. I am surprised that carbon pack 2 and 3 do not inclue upper door panel and diffuser. carbon packs (1+2+3) for 600LT include every non-MSO options.

Carbon pack 2+3 = £24K
Roof Scoop + Engine Window (must be selected to add roof scoop) = £37K
Clubsport Pro = £29K
Carbon Hood £5.7k, Carbon Aero Bridge £10K, Carbon Rear Wing (TBC, estimated to be about £8K), Carbon body panels £30K (!! you cannot actually see them!!) , Carbon secondary interior components £2.3K, carbon Sill trim £2.8K, carbon door mirror arm £2.2K, carbon upper door £3.4, carbon diffuser £8K.

other interiors related + camera = about £6K
Elite paint: £4.5K

The “decorative carbon” stuff and it’s price has just become nonsense.

[ghost83]

To me it’s not worth 350-450k

I’d rather have a 675LT and a 600LT for the price of a 765!

Or a 720s and a 675LT/600LT

Christ go buy a 720s modify it and have a better car than the 765lt for a lot less money

[MDL111]

Will be interesting to see if they can sell 1,530 of these without discounts

Those options prices are quite something - should give a print-out to Porsche dealers to pull out when clients complain about Porsche option prices

[AndrewD]

MDL111 said:

Will be interesting to see if they can sell 1,530 of these without discounts

Those options prices are quite something - should give a print-out to Porsche dealers to pull out when clients complain about Porsche option prices

Great cars - but of course they won’t sell them without discounts.
The price list was fiction before the arse fell out of the world.

[ghost83]

They struggled to sell the 600LT without discounts in the end I believe so the 765 will probably be the same

[Obafemi09]

MDL111 said:

Will be interesting to see if they can sell 1,530 of these without discounts

Those options prices are quite something - should give a print-out to Porsche dealers to pull out when clients complain about Porsche option prices

Not really too comparable, at least the 765LT will already come with some pretty decent kit as standard; Porsche is a joke, you literally have to option everything. You get more standard kit on a run of the mill, base spec Fiesta!

[RBT0]

Also, Porsche production in units per year is much higher, hence lower option price driven by lower production cost, here we’re talking about 1500 units in total not even per year.

Porsche cannot be compared with McLaren, it’s more mainstream.

[IMI A]

ghost83 said:

They struggled to sell the 600LT without discounts in the end I believe so the 765 will probably be the same

Not comprable. These are numbered cars like 675 LT. They're not silly. They should not discount one.

Senior management should hopefully see this as an opportunity to hit the reset button as discounts were out of control. In a market like this you have to hold the line as an emotional product. Its their current flagship. If they discount 765LT may sound perverse but I'll be disappointed. You make a one off type product. Charge the earth. You'll get more customers. May sound nuts but true.

[IMI A]

Having said that you can't invest significant amounts of development capital and make things like GT. I hope it cost them very little as whoever dreamt of that car I think they were literally the only customer who would buy one. Moments of brilliance then things like the GT. Its okay I don't mind it quite smart but at that money okay isn't good enough. Has to be wow!

[430SD_LP640]

IMI A said:

Not comprable. These are numbered cars like 675 LT. They're not silly. They should not discount one.

I don’t disagree with you but look at what happened to 675LT. It is not a truly numbered car. I owned a 675LT and I was really annoyed that later I found out they produced more than what they claimed. Initially they kept mentioning 500 units only and no one believed they would make a spider version of LT as what’s the point of adding weight? Then they did it of course. Fine. Then they launched a special version MSO HS. Ok 25 units more - they claimed this is a special project from MSO. Then both here and Mclaren life started talking about 2 different series of vin numbers etc, which indicates they produced more than 500 coupes. No one really knows how many units they made in the end. That’s the reason I don’t trust 1 of xxx badge any more.

I cannot think of another limited edition car with less 500 units production number whose residual value falls so much below ticker price. Let’s not mention Ferrari. Just look at LFA and 8C competizione. They are trading well above initial cost. LP570 STS still trades around the initial cost. 675LT at the moment is trading sub £200K and even a modest specced one cost well above £300K. There is a reason for it. This did not happen to P1.

[WCZ]

it's not a 765t without all of the carbon options imo, it'll be heavier than the stated weight so imo it's too expensive

[IMI A]

430SD_LP640 said:

IMI A said:

Not comprable. These are numbered cars like 675 LT. They're not silly. They should not discount one.

I don’t disagree with you but look at what happened to 675LT. It is not a truly numbered car. I owned a 675LT and I was really annoyed that later I found out they produced more than what they claimed. Initially they kept mentioning 500 units only and no one believed they would make a spider version of LT as what’s the point of adding weight? Then they did it of course. Fine. Then they launched a special version MSO HS. Ok 25 units more - they claimed this is a special project from MSO. Then both here and Mclaren life started talking about 2 different series of vin numbers etc, which indicates they produced more than 500 coupes. No one really knows how many units they made in the end. That’s the reason I don’t trust 1 of xxx badge any more.

I cannot think of another limited edition car with less 500 units production number whose residual value falls so much below ticker price. Let’s not mention Ferrari. Just look at LFA and 8C competizione. They are trading well above initial cost. LP570 STS still trades around the initial cost. 675LT at the moment is trading sub £200K and even a modest specced one cost well above £300K. There is a reason for it. This did not happen to P1.

I dont disagree with any of this. A few of us have watched in disbelief and have been on the thick end of early Mcl adopters getting annoyed with us when discussing. Having said this if Mcl use this current terrible situation as an opportunity to build cars which simply do not go wrong this 765 LT should be their most desirable car ever and a game changer in terms of their current reputation for awful reliabilty if you want to use the cars as intended. I remember being a young man and someone quite smart telling me you're only as good as your last deal and a good deal sells whatever the market. Aged 21 I listened. A good car will sell whatever the mkt even if 2000 units. Been on config its v.hard not to want options which actually lower the weight considerably.

Be interesting to know how much rear wings in carbon, front bonnet carbon both in normal paint save in weight with the clubsport pack. I think these three like WCZ are maybe v.interesting options on this type of car. But only if they significantly reduce weight and or add performance with increased air flow then add the roof scoop. Does it add power or just aesthetic?

[IMI A]

Thinking about it first car in ages I've thought I'd have one other than GT3, Speedster and GT2 RS all impossible to get hold of. I think same with this realistically no or am I being hopeful?

[JPCGT]

IMI A said:

Thinking about it first car in ages I've thought I'd have one other than GT3, Speedster and GT2 RS all impossible to get hold of. I think same with this realistically no or am I being hopeful?

You’ve got to be kidding. In this diminished marketplace, there will be plenty of opportunities to purchase a new build 765LT for those that are brave enough or have deep enough pockets to stomach the initial depreciation.

[Ferruccio]

JPCGT said:

IMI A said:

Thinking about it first car in ages I've thought I'd have one other than GT3, Speedster and GT2 RS all impossible to get hold of. I think same with this realistically no or am I being hopeful?

You’ve got to be kidding. In this diminished marketplace, there will be plenty of opportunities to purchase a new build 765LT for those that are brave enough or have deep enough pockets to stomach the initial depreciation.

Will McLaren survive?
How deep pocketed are their shareholders?

[SSO]

Ferruccio said:

JPCGT said:

IMI A said:

Thinking about it first car in ages I've thought I'd have one other than GT3, Speedster and GT2 RS all impossible to get hold of. I think same with this realistically no or am I being hopeful?

You’ve got to be kidding. In this diminished marketplace, there will be plenty of opportunities to purchase a new build 765LT for those that are brave enough or have deep enough pockets to stomach the initial depreciation.

Will McLaren survive?
How deep pocketed are their shareholders?

Yes and very

[IMI A]

Is the engine actually bespoke or do current 720s, Senna and 765LT all have the same engine in reality? Also what are differences between the three cars in terms of turbos? Watched a few of the technical briefing and they're talking about Senna pistons and changes to engine etc but the Mcl staff don't come across as very convincing IMO.

[Ferruccio]

SSO said:

Ferruccio said:

JPCGT said:

IMI A said:

Thinking about it first car in ages I've thought I'd have one other than GT3, Speedster and GT2 RS all impossible to get hold of. I think same with this realistically no or am I being hopeful?

You’ve got to be kidding. In this diminished marketplace, there will be plenty of opportunities to purchase a new build 765LT for those that are brave enough or have deep enough pockets to stomach the initial depreciation.

Will McLaren survive?
How deep pocketed are their shareholders?

Yes and very

Maybe; much is changing/changed

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