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D4rez said:
I mean 1400 is well under 50% of the number of 488 Pistas made last year alone before the F8 came in with the same engine. No reason this should have worse RVs
What about the much weaker brand? Mclaren could make a car identical to the Pista down to the last bolt and the market for it would be a fraction of the size. The fact they’re making so many cars *relative to how many people want one* is why the residuals are worse.RobDown said:
If this were two-three years ago I think they could sell-out. But in today’s market it feels unlikely.
And then it becomes a bit circular - as people realise they won’t be able to flip them, orders will be cancelled, leading to a softer market.
Will be delighted to be proven wrong. But Senna and Pista are my corroborating evidence
Senna is not a valid comparison. Pista is not appreciating, but I'm unaware of a single new one standing unsold?And then it becomes a bit circular - as people realise they won’t be able to flip them, orders will be cancelled, leading to a softer market.
Will be delighted to be proven wrong. But Senna and Pista are my corroborating evidence
Market is bad - agree there.
A limited number should have been 765 in total.
McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.
McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.
Purple Man said:
A limited number should have been 765 in total.
McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.
I agree with you, but you do realize that there are more GT3 RS on the market than normal GT3's, because Porsche didn't limit either the GT3 or the GT3 RS.McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.
And then the 911R, which was dropped before the GT3 Touring pack.
I'm curious to see what Mclaren will do with the 765LT. The only reason I went for the car is the fact that it might simply just be almost as fast as the Senna, without looking as hideous.
mcbuild said:
I agree with you, but you do realize that there are more GT3 RS on the market than normal GT3's, because Porsche didn't limit either the GT3 or the GT3 RS.
And then the 911R, which was dropped before the GT3 Touring pack.
I'm curious to see what Mclaren will do with the 765LT. The only reason I went for the car is the fact that it might simply just be almost as fast as the Senna, without looking as hideous.
When are McLaren planning on the launch for this?And then the 911R, which was dropped before the GT3 Touring pack.
I'm curious to see what Mclaren will do with the 765LT. The only reason I went for the car is the fact that it might simply just be almost as fast as the Senna, without looking as hideous.
Looking forward to specifications and pics.
mcbuild said:
Purple Man said:
A limited number should have been 765 in total.
McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.
I agree with you, but you do realize that there are more GT3 RS on the market than normal GT3's, because Porsche didn't limit either the GT3 or the GT3 RS.McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.
And then the 911R, which was dropped before the GT3 Touring pack.
I'm curious to see what Mclaren will do with the 765LT. The only reason I went for the car is the fact that it might simply just be almost as fast as the Senna, without looking as hideous.
They last ones I can think of are the 911R, and then the 997 generation numbers limited cars (RS 4.0, 2RS, Speedster, SportClassic)
They even built something in the region of 3,500 991 GT2 RS I think (at least that is the figure I remember reading somewhere)
Having said all that, thanks to lower list price and better brand name, there is a lot more demand for these. I suspect if McLaren wanted to limit their cars on a like for like basis, they'd have to limit them to something below 500 units, which is not sustainable without building 200k other cars a year
I suspect given where the market is heading, the Porsche buyers won't see premiums anymore either in the near future and they will depreciate as well, albeit at a slower rate than a 300k McLaren. Finally, the UK market seems a little different to other markets with regards to Porsche values - list prices are (and have been much in the recent past) lower like-for-like than for instance in Germany and supply lower as well, therefore creating the perfect storm for strong residual values / cachet of being able to get one.
Am looking forward to seeing the LT model - am sure it will be a great car (unfortunately way out of my price range though). Could it be that that will be the last McLaren Super Series (that's the correct one, right?) special version without any hybrid assistance?
MDL111 said:
Am looking forward to seeing the LT model - am sure it will be a great car (unfortunately way out of my price range though). Could it be that that will be the last McLaren Super Series (that's the correct one, right?) special version without any hybrid assistance?
Yes, the last of the breed.The hybrids will of course be quicker though, but I'd rather have the last non hybrid LT personally.
MDL111 said:
I agree - I'd say very few Porsches are really limited - look at the Speedster 1,948 units is nowadays called "limited"
They last ones I can think of are the 911R, and then the 997 generation numbers limited cars (RS 4.0, 2RS, Speedster, SportClassic)
They even built something in the region of 3,500 991 GT2 RS I think (at least that is the figure I remember reading somewhere)
Having said all that, thanks to lower list price and better brand name, there is a lot more demand for these. I suspect if McLaren wanted to limit their cars on a like for like basis, they'd have to limit them to something below 500 units, which is not sustainable without building 200k other cars a year
I hadn’t realised this before but the UK got very few GT2 RS’s against the global production numbers. We got 120 GT2 RS’s, UK normally gets 10 to 15% of production....the US alone got over 1000 cars where there are no longer premium’s (shock). If your 3500 number is right we got a tiny amount of cars....have to believe Porsche GB did that on purpose. If they’d taken the normal % and got 300 plus cars it would have been interesting to see what happened ! They last ones I can think of are the 911R, and then the 997 generation numbers limited cars (RS 4.0, 2RS, Speedster, SportClassic)
They even built something in the region of 3,500 991 GT2 RS I think (at least that is the figure I remember reading somewhere)
Having said all that, thanks to lower list price and better brand name, there is a lot more demand for these. I suspect if McLaren wanted to limit their cars on a like for like basis, they'd have to limit them to something below 500 units, which is not sustainable without building 200k other cars a year
Edit - Just remember GT2 RS were limited here because of the incoming GPF production regs I suspect. All UK cars were built Jan/Feb 2018...US got them for a lot longer.
Edited by Cheib on Thursday 7th November 21:02
This rarity factor always puzzles me. If it's rarity that makes a car so valuable why is the 650S coupe not the most valuable McLaren with only 30 in the UK? There are approx. 3 x more 675LT's. Perhaps time will tell, same with all these cars, take Porsche approx. 550 x 991.1 GT3's and 45 x 991.1 GTS Manual's. In 20 years time which will be more sought after?
Take the Boxster Spyder, in a numerical fluke there are exactly 100 x 987 manuals in the UK and 200 x 981 manuals (there are also 70 x 987 PDK). I'm guessing there will be at least 400 x 718 manuals in the UK. In 20 years time the most sought after will be the 987 followed by the 981 followed by the 718.
Take the Boxster Spyder, in a numerical fluke there are exactly 100 x 987 manuals in the UK and 200 x 981 manuals (there are also 70 x 987 PDK). I'm guessing there will be at least 400 x 718 manuals in the UK. In 20 years time the most sought after will be the 987 followed by the 981 followed by the 718.
Cheib said:
MDL111 said:
I agree - I'd say very few Porsches are really limited - look at the Speedster 1,948 units is nowadays called "limited"
They last ones I can think of are the 911R, and then the 997 generation numbers limited cars (RS 4.0, 2RS, Speedster, SportClassic)
They even built something in the region of 3,500 991 GT2 RS I think (at least that is the figure I remember reading somewhere)
Having said all that, thanks to lower list price and better brand name, there is a lot more demand for these. I suspect if McLaren wanted to limit their cars on a like for like basis, they'd have to limit them to something below 500 units, which is not sustainable without building 200k other cars a year
I hadn’t realised this before but the UK got very few GT2 RS’s against the global production numbers. We got 120 GT2 RS’s, UK normally gets 10 to 15% of production....the US alone got over 1000 cars where there are no longer premium’s (shock). If your 3500 number is right we got a tiny amount of cars....have to believe Porsche GB did that on purpose. If they’d taken the normal % and got 300 plus cars it would have been interesting to see what happened ! They last ones I can think of are the 911R, and then the 997 generation numbers limited cars (RS 4.0, 2RS, Speedster, SportClassic)
They even built something in the region of 3,500 991 GT2 RS I think (at least that is the figure I remember reading somewhere)
Having said all that, thanks to lower list price and better brand name, there is a lot more demand for these. I suspect if McLaren wanted to limit their cars on a like for like basis, they'd have to limit them to something below 500 units, which is not sustainable without building 200k other cars a year
Edit - Just remember GT2 RS were limited here because of the incoming GPF production regs I suspect. All UK cars were built Jan/Feb 2018...US got them for a lot longer.
Edited by Cheib on Thursday 7th November 21:02
Does anyone have any new info on this impending Super Series LT ?
It's difficult to see how they will be able to make it a much better drive than the 720S, can't see being able to take out the 100kg/96kg which they managed on the 675/600.
I'm thinking replacing composite panels with carbon, Ti zaust, wheels, usual aircon,stereo,lift delete and special carbon buckets.... I will add back the deleted stuff and more than likely go for regular non electric sports seats so I'm thinking I'll be doing well to get one under 1400kg DIN which is prob only 40kg less than my 720S (haven't actually weighed it)
On the motor side not sure how they can find more traction (presumably wheel/tyre size will be be the same) for the increased hp unless they maintain similar torque numbers and increase the rev range but suspect the engine will be quite a mildly uprated tune only.....
Will they give the steering rack that s
te turning circle like on the 675, I really hope not ?
Any prospective new owners out there have anything to add ?
It's difficult to see how they will be able to make it a much better drive than the 720S, can't see being able to take out the 100kg/96kg which they managed on the 675/600.
I'm thinking replacing composite panels with carbon, Ti zaust, wheels, usual aircon,stereo,lift delete and special carbon buckets.... I will add back the deleted stuff and more than likely go for regular non electric sports seats so I'm thinking I'll be doing well to get one under 1400kg DIN which is prob only 40kg less than my 720S (haven't actually weighed it)
On the motor side not sure how they can find more traction (presumably wheel/tyre size will be be the same) for the increased hp unless they maintain similar torque numbers and increase the rev range but suspect the engine will be quite a mildly uprated tune only.....
Will they give the steering rack that s
te turning circle like on the 675, I really hope not ?Any prospective new owners out there have anything to add ?
Like you say there is still a lot of weight you can take out of the car
Ditch aircon and sound system for 41KG saving
Ditch comfort seats along with electrically adjustable steering wheel another 22KG saving
Ditch palladium trim for carbon fibre saving 9KG
Ditch rear wing for carbon fibre version another 4Kg saving
Ditch standard exhaust for light weight quad exhaust system saving another 4KG
Ditch standard cast wheels for Ultra light weight wheels another 8KG saving
Light weight suspension system 8Kg saving
Ditch standard leather interior along with carpets for light weight interior trim 3KG saving
That gets you to 100 ish KG's weight saving, the really great news is the price will only be about £100K more than the performance version of the coupe or spider version which are now both out of production.
Ditch aircon and sound system for 41KG saving
Ditch comfort seats along with electrically adjustable steering wheel another 22KG saving
Ditch palladium trim for carbon fibre saving 9KG
Ditch rear wing for carbon fibre version another 4Kg saving
Ditch standard exhaust for light weight quad exhaust system saving another 4KG
Ditch standard cast wheels for Ultra light weight wheels another 8KG saving
Light weight suspension system 8Kg saving
Ditch standard leather interior along with carpets for light weight interior trim 3KG saving
That gets you to 100 ish KG's weight saving, the really great news is the price will only be about £100K more than the performance version of the coupe or spider version which are now both out of production.
tyrrell said:
Like you say there is still a lot of weight you can take out of the car
Ditch aircon and sound system for 41KG saving
41kg Ditch aircon and sound system for 41KG saving
That sounds a bit high ? I thought maybe 10 for A/C and 10 for stereo do you have the stats on that from Mclaren ?
tyrrell said:
hat gets you to 100 ish KG's weight saving, the really great news is the price will only be about £100K more than the performance version of the coupe or spider version which are now both out of production.
So only another £200 odd K to change for us first time 720S buyers - fantastic 
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