720S - what to look for?
Discussion
12pack said:
I didn’t. Are you suggesting they should be listed lower so that they match current pre-owned prices?
I am actually. Given the huge amount of discounts needed to shift new cars, they might as well just face up to reality and lower list prices outright. But anyway your point was that you disagreed that list prices were nuts...and yet you don't seem to be in a hurry to buy new either which seems somewhat of a contradiction.
isaldiri said:
I am actually. Given the huge amount of discounts needed to shift new cars, they might as well just face up to reality and lower list prices outright. But anyway your point was that you disagreed that list prices were nuts...and yet you don't seem to be in a hurry to buy new either which seems somewhat of a contradiction.
I don’t see the contradiction at all. Cars depreciate. I prefer to buy after that first hit. If the list prices were all lower, I’d still buy after that first hit.My point above was that I don’t see McLaren list prices as bonkers because they offer a car that’s better than the equivalent by more established marques, Aston and Lamborghini don’t.
isaldiri said:
12pack said:
RSbandit said:
Indeed it is the list price of these cars new that is completely nuts tbh...
I’m afraid I totally disagree. Its a very unfortunate but very relevant issue.
Almost certainly will get one, but not at a price where the loss in value may sour the overall enjoyment.
Less than 4yrs ago the list of my 650 spider which the original owner went nuts on the spec was £282k...still an outrageous amount of hard earned, but back then you could still go in and out and not lose too much...its very different now.
£300k for any car is nuts imo but I will agree with 12pack that Mclaren do offer more for the money than Ferrari or Lambo who I see as their direct competitors...Aston are a bit different as they are more a super GT and sportscar maker albeit the new DBS is certainly up there price wise...but why list something at 180k for a 570 or close to 300k for a 720 spider but then discount the hell out of it? I guess alot of people buy at this level based on monthlies?
12pack said:
I’m afraid I totally disagree. I’m only in a lowly 650s but the more I use it, the more I realize how much on a different league it is than,e.g., my V12 Vantage. No other supercar series comes with the low weight, the chassis stiffness, the precise steering with great feel
+ the suspension. That is a *big* part of it.You alluded to it, but the full carbon fibre structure is also significant. Of the main competitors, only Ferrari hypercar models and the Aventador have this too.
If McLaren constantly provides cars to dealers forecourts and they cannot get rid of them without offering huge discounts, then the recommended retail price is too high. This will obviously has a ripple effect down the line so that used prices get hit in an even bigger measure. There are only two solutions. Either they curtail production and let supply/demand sort itself out and then slowly build confidence in the pricing again, or continue to flush the market with cars and undermine the brand for good.
hornbaek said:
If McLaren constantly provides cars to dealers forecourts and they cannot get rid of them without offering huge discounts, then the recommended retail price is too high. This will obviously has a ripple effect down the line so that used prices get hit in an even bigger measure. There are only two solutions. Either they curtail production and let supply/demand sort itself out and then slowly build confidence in the pricing again, or continue to flush the market with cars and undermine the brand for good.
When a majority of cars are bought on finance, the actual price is less important than the monthly repayments to the first buyer, but I do agree with your point about over-supply on an already soft market being a key factor.
But specc’ing a new 720 today you’d only want to switch your order to the 750 anyway no? The dealer may even guide you to do that who knows.
Other threads suggesting the mclaren dealer network do have access to a few 720’s that are available immediately with delivery mileage - appreciate they might not be in a eg Interior/exterior colour you’d necessarily spec but for a significant saving off list one might be persuaded.
Other threads suggesting the mclaren dealer network do have access to a few 720’s that are available immediately with delivery mileage - appreciate they might not be in a eg Interior/exterior colour you’d necessarily spec but for a significant saving off list one might be persuaded.
RSbandit said:
Hmm not sure I would agree that you would be mad...there is a significant price difference between a used 720 and a used 570
There certainly is a big price difference.The 570S is Ridiculously quick on the road, and you get very little opportunity to fully exploit how quick .
Even on the large tracks a 570s is fast enough for pretty much everyone and in any event you are restricted by the tyres and aero but not the power.
There lies the issue, a 720S can not be fully used anywhere, on road you risk your licence and on track it will go mushy after a few laps.
But I still want one !!!
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