Ferrari F430 Manifolds

Ferrari F430 Manifolds

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ck888

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6 posts

5 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Good Day,
Im looking to replace my manifolds on the F430, i see Top Speed headers are sold out and prices seem to have increased over the last few months. Has anyone any info on any suppliers at the bottom end of the price range ?

MDL111

3,939 posts

124 months

Wednesday 6th November
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My car is currently waiting for its new headers to arrive from Italy - I suspect they are unfortunately not at the bottom end of the price range though, but german tüv and warranty kinda limited by options ...
Good luck finding some - maybe somebody like Tubi or capristo?

MDL111

3,939 posts

124 months

Wednesday 6th November
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One more thing - can’t you get them refurbished? I remember on my 355 I had refurbished manifolds (at the time from Verdi - without wanting to open that can of worms again...)

ck888

Original Poster:

6 posts

5 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Ok thanks for that, i will make some enquiries. The current headers have not failed but im looking to swap for peace of mind in case they do fail.

sam-naf7u

3 posts

Wednesday 6th November
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Hi guys , i know these cars extremely well.

I want you to know that you can fit the 430 challenge car manifolds to a road car, they are less than half the price! you can buy these direct from main dealer.

Moderator edit: no advertising


Edited by jeremyc on Wednesday 6th November 17:03

jakesmith

5,088 posts

118 months

Thursday 7th November
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Sam I am purely curious but why would the Challenge headers be cheaper? You'd think the opposite would be true

Slippydiff

10,643 posts

170 months

Thursday 7th November
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The Challenge exhaust manifolds don’t have the pre-cats that are incorporated within the road car manifolds, hence the cost differential.

MDL111

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124 months

Thursday 7th November
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Slippydiff said:
The Challenge exhaust manifolds don’t have the pre-cats that are incorporated within the road car manifolds, hence the cost differential.
Thanks interesting - Makes me feel better as then they wouldn’t have been an option for me anyway

jakesmith

5,088 posts

118 months

Thursday 7th November
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Slippydiff said:
The Challenge exhaust manifolds don’t have the pre-cats that are incorporated within the road car manifolds, hence the cost differential.
Thanks. You’d think they’d still charge more for the part for some reason or other. I’d happily fit that we’re into own one. Why do I hear about the manifolds being so bad? Are they under spec or what? Just curious I’m not an owner.

Slippydiff

10,643 posts

170 months

Thursday 7th November
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jakesmith said:
Slippydiff said:
The Challenge exhaust manifolds don’t have the pre-cats that are incorporated within the road car manifolds, hence the cost differential.
Thanks. You’d think they’d still charge more for the part for some reason or other. I’d happily fit that we’re into own one. Why do I hear about the manifolds being so bad? Are they under spec or what? Just curious I’m not an owner.
There are two issues, the pre-cats fail and can get ingested into the combustion chamber. Pre-internet this fault probably wouldn’t have been anything like as well publicised as it is now ...

But secondly the manifolds have a propensity to crack. It’s the latter issue that Ferrari attempted to address with a modified design (initially they were substituted under their warranty scheme) .
Some will say the modified manifolds have solved the issue, plenty say they haven’t ...

The likes of Capristo, Supersprint, Agency Power (and dare I say Fabspeed) amongst others, have come up with improved manifolds, both from a durability and efficiency perspective.
Capristo have also designed an alternative exhaust mounting system which allegedly reduces stress on the manifolds, and thus all but ensures their manifolds will not crack/fail.

The Yanks seem more willing to try Taiwanese and Chinese manifolds, they’re considerably cheaper than the brands I’ve listed, and whilst the manufacturing quality frequently isn’t as good, they do seem to do the job.

If you really want to get into the nitty gritty, there’s plenty of subject matter on FChat, and a search on here will find a couple of excellent t threads on the matter too.
All are perfect for the long, dark, cold, wet Winter nights ahead smile

Edit to add links :

PH Thread :

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Challenge exhaust system diagram part numbers :

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/430-cha...

FChat thread :

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/f430-hea...

Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 7th November 15:35

300bhp/ton

37,680 posts

137 months

Thursday 7th November
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Slippydiff said:
There are two issues, the pre-cats fail and can get ingested into the combustion chamber.
I don't own a Ferrari, not have any specific Ferrari knowledge, just reading out of interest as I like all things automotive.

Curious to how cat failure ends up in the combustion chamber? Is it a gravity issue due to their location and bits falling into the open exhaust valves? The exhaust gas flow would be away from the engine otherwise. Thanks.

Slippydiff

10,643 posts

170 months

Thursday 7th November
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300bhp/ton said:
I don't own a Ferrari, not have any specific Ferrari knowledge, just reading out of interest as I like all things automotive.

Curious to how cat failure ends up in the combustion chamber? Is it a gravity issue due to their location and bits falling into the open exhaust valves? The exhaust gas flow would be away from the engine otherwise. Thanks.
It's suggested that during the valve overlap period (and specifically whilst the throttle is shut on the overrun) there can be sufficient negative pressure within the exhaust ports to draw any loose cat substrate into the combustion chamber.

mwstewart

5,610 posts

135 months

Friday 8th November
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I can vouch for Top Speed; very good for the price. I currently have Capristo and the quality of fabrication of the manifolds is very similar.

I prefer the power deliver of the 4-1 manifolds like Capristo, Supersprint, or AP. The Capristo 4-2-1 are punchy in the midrange but comparatively flat at the top end, and they are also quieter.

ck888

Original Poster:

6 posts

5 months

Friday 8th November
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sam-naf7u said:
Hi guys , i know these cars extremely well.

I want you to know that you can fit the 430 challenge car manifolds to a road car, they are less than half the price! you can buy these direct from main dealer.

Moderator edit: no advertising


Edited by jeremyc on Wednesday 6th November 17:03
Interesting.......... that is certainly an option, thanks

ck888

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6 posts

5 months

Friday 8th November
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I have read conflicting accounts of engine bay temperatures of wrapped manifolds versus unwrapped, would it be an issue to install unwrapped manifolds ?

Slippydiff

10,643 posts

170 months

Friday 8th November
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ck888 said:
I have read conflicting accounts of engine bay temperatures of wrapped manifolds versus unwrapped, would it be an issue to install unwrapped manifolds ?
If you’re planning on running the Challenge manifolds (and thus in the process deleting the pre-cats) the engine bay temperatures should be reduced anyway.

For sustained, heavy track use, the heat blankets supplied by Capristo are probably a good idea :

https://capristoexhaust.com/product/ferrari-430-he...

but for road use in our average UK temps, I’m not convinced of their benefits.

ck888

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Friday 8th November
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Yes i would agree with that, its something to be aware of the first few hard drives i guess